Why doesn't Buck offer something like this?

One idea would be a clip point blade option for the Vantage Pro. I carry it now as my EDC in rotation with my Mayo TNT. Perhaps that would satisfy those that like the 110 blade but want single handed operation.
Love the Vantage Pro S30V, its threatening to displace my Spyderco Tenacious in my EDC lineup.
Would really love a full flat grind version of the Vantage Pro though.
Love the Vantages combo of the flipper and the thumb-hole, IMO its the ideal opening setup. Buck should however scallop/reduce the liner lock slightly so lefties can more easily open it via the hole. But I use the Flipper most of the time so it doesn't both me that much.

I do still love my 110's my 112 and 111 but i rarely carry them.

Really like the look of that Benchmade except for its bad case of logo-itis,lol.
If i could redesign it i would prefer to ditch the thumb-stub in favor of an opening hole. Add a flipper too.
 
Interesting feedback guys. Is it the bolstered look that is the thread connection to the 110?
 
I just wanted to say, C J Buck, that I was very pleased with the 110 custom in NS with Sambar stag & S30V that I ordered from you guys recently. It's now my everyday (on the Olympic Peninsula it's not a problem carrying a big folder knife in public). I like it enough to now want a "backup" just in case. I'll be placing an order soon, this time with finger grooves :)

P. S. I like the nice fat Sambar stag handle your guys put on the knife. It gives a traditional look and shows off the stag tastefully. It is also a good hold or grip.
 
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:cool:...That Harley knife is quite attention grabbing and although it isn't a Buck, it is kina nice. You might be correct CJ, in that the bolsters seem to convey that "Buck Aura" to a certain degree. I found some details on that knife that were quite informative...

Benchmade 13100 HARDTAIL

Blade Length: 3.99"
Blade Thickness: 0.124"
Blade Material: D2 Premium Tool Steel
Blade Hardness: 59-61HRC
Blade Style: Modified Clip-Point, Ambidextrous Dual Thumb-Studs
Weight: 5.16oz.
Clip: Tip-Up, Bright Silver Steel, H-D Bar/Shield
Lock Mechanism: AXIS
Overall Length: 9.00"
Closed Length: 5.25"
Sheath Material: Sold Separately
Class: Harley-Davidson
MSRP: $240
 
Interesting feedback guys. Is it the bolstered look that is the thread connection to the 110?


Well speaking only for myself, the Benchmade is obviously evocative of the 110 though not a slavish translation and extension of it.

Yes, there is the silver bolster look, but there is also the clip point blade profile.

The 110 is the most iconic folder that features that blade shape and cosmetics, though there are some others.

So, a bolstered folder with a clip point screams to me an effort to capture part of the Buck mystique in that knife, particularly since old school bikers were known to carry the original. I don't think it an accident that a modern folder like this with its classic styling cues is marketed under the H-D logo.

So when I saw it, and gave some thought to all of BK Inc.'s fits and starts in making both updated 110s, like the 560, and a whole passel of one hander clip folders that never cashed in on the iconic look of the 110, I guess my question is why did it take someone at another company to make what could be seen as this straightforward evolutionary step into the future with the 110?

Your company already makes open frame locking knives. It would not be difficult for a company of your competence and stature to thin out two 110 profiled steel scales for a bolstered look with some sort of wood inlay, sandwiching a locking bar and a 3 3/4th" S30V clip point locking blade with thumbstuds. Heck, the Folding Kaling Pro demonstrates that you could do this style of knife in brass too as long as there were nested steel liners for the clip screws to tap into and lockback insterted rather than use a liner lock.

Throw in a reversible deep carry stainless steel clip that doesn't give up the the 110-ish one hander every time one sits in the couch or the truck and volia, smash hit all day at the $50-100.00 street price point for a 420HC basic on up to a premium steel. I happen to think that using the 2010 model number and a savvy past/present campaign in that same year could move such a knife in large numbers as long as the price is nowhere near the ridiculous amount that Benchmade wants for theirs.

I think the trick is that the blade really only has to be one hand opening, not closing. This would allow the lock release to remain out of the top of the rear bolster, maintaining the ergos that the mid point release of the Spyderco sometimes compromises.

The 560 was a step in the right direction, but it didn't offer a different way to either open it or carry it, hence it ultimately lacked a compelling argument for being a truly evolutionary product. Heck, with some slight modifications, the 560 could become the proposed 2010.

Get back to thinner 110 profiled stainless steel rather than titanium and get the wood on there. Offer basic 110 wood on a 420HC model and oak or walnut on a S30V version and tap each rear bolster for a reversible clip. Thumbstud a standard 110 profile clip point blade and make sure the frame is relieved with finger groves on both sides at the point where the studs will be swiped and you have it. Bonus points for an adjustable pivot and ELU serviceable torx screwed construction.

Flatter carrying, slightly lighter, off the belt, easy to clean and service, just as classy and non-tactical looking, but featuring the same wonderful cutting blade profile and grind? I'd buy two tomorrow.
 
Well speaking only for myself, the Benchmade is obviously evocative of the 110 though not a slavish translation and extension of it.

dem parts lost me ...
CJ dont go a messing wit yur 110!!
over half a hunnered years says it is good enught fer me and America !!!;):thumbup:
 
I think any kind of tampering with the 110 to come up with some sort single hand operation would be a mistake. If it is the clip point blade and single hand operation that are the issues, please read my earlier post about thte Vantage Pro. The Vantage Pro, I believe, is the perfect platform to come up with a very unique knife with a somewhat more traditional look with the qualities that make it such a great knife. I personally prefer the thumb hole rather than a stud too.
 
I think any kind of tampering with the 110 to come up with some sort single hand operation would be a mistake. If it is the clip point blade and single hand operation that are the issues, please read my earlier post about thte Vantage Pro. The Vantage Pro, I believe, is the perfect platform to come up with a very unique knife with a somewhat more traditional look with the qualities that make it such a great knife. I personally prefer the thumb hole rather than a stud too.

The Vantage Pro fits what I am after, except for the following:

  • Its blade is a half inch too short at the minimum.
  • It is a drop point.
  • It is a liner lock.
  • It doesn't shout out that it is a Buck.
  • It uses a hole that isn't that great of a shape.

Other than those shortcomings I'm sure it is a great clip knife alternative to the 110ish form of the Benchmade at the top.;)
 
Well speaking only for myself, the Benchmade is obviously evocative of the 110 though not a slavish translation and extension of it.

Yes, there is the silver bolster look, but there is also the clip point blade profile.

The 110 is the most iconic folder that features that blade shape and cosmetics, though there are some others.

So, a bolstered folder with a clip point screams to me an effort to capture part of the Buck mystique in that knife, particularly since old school bikers were known to carry the original. I don't think it an accident that a modern folder like this with its classic styling cues is marketed under the H-D logo.

So when I saw it, and gave some thought to all of BK Inc.'s fits and starts in making both updated 110s, like the 560, and a whole passel of one hander clip folders that never cashed in on the iconic look of the 110, I guess my question is why did it take someone at another company to make what could be seen as this straightforward evolutionary step into the future with the 110?

Your company already makes open frame locking knives. It would not be difficult for a company of your competence and stature to thin out two 110 profiled steel scales for a bolstered look with some sort of wood inlay, sandwiching a locking bar and a 3 3/4th" S30V clip point locking blade with thumbstuds. Heck, the Folding Kaling Pro demonstrates that you could do this style of knife in brass too as long as there were nested steel liners for the clip screws to tap into and lockback insterted rather than use a liner lock.

Throw in a reversible deep carry stainless steel clip that doesn't give up the the 110-ish one hander every time one sits in the couch or the truck and volia, smash hit all day at the $50-100.00 street price point for a 420HC basic on up to a premium steel. I happen to think that using the 2010 model number and a savvy past/present campaign in that same year could move such a knife in large numbers as long as the price is nowhere near the ridiculous amount that Benchmade wants for theirs.

I think the trick is that the blade really only has to be one hand opening, not closing. This would allow the lock release to remain out of the top of the rear bolster, maintaining the ergos that the mid point release of the Spyderco sometimes compromises.

The 560 was a step in the right direction, but it didn't offer a different way to either open it or carry it, hence it ultimately lacked a compelling argument for being a truly evolutionary product. Heck, with some slight modifications, the 560 could become the proposed 2010.

Get back to thinner 110 profiled stainless steel rather than titanium and get the wood on there. Offer basic 110 wood on a 420HC model and oak or walnut on a S30V version and tap each rear bolster for a reversible clip. Thumbstud a standard 110 profile clip point blade and make sure the frame is relieved with finger groves on both sides at the point where the studs will be swiped and you have it. Bonus points for an adjustable pivot and ELU serviceable torx screwed construction.

Flatter carrying, slightly lighter, off the belt, easy to clean and service, just as classy and non-tactical looking, but featuring the same wonderful cutting blade profile and grind? I'd buy two tomorrow.

Good Post Boats!!!!

I'll take four 2010's
 
except for the following:
yada yada
[*]It doesn't shout out that it is a Buck.
yada ;)

many have tried :eek:
none have succeeded :D
to make a Buck Knife!:thumbup::cool:
yes buck 110 folding hunter
on my belt since 1967...;)
 
dem parts lost me ...
CJ dont go a messing wit yur 110!!
over half a hunnered years says it is good enught fer me and America !!!;):thumbup:

LOL,

Dave would have to start collecting a new variation;)
jb4570
 
Interesting thread,Boats you made some nice observations and points.Maybe buck will make us something like that,although leave the original 110 untouched.I like lockbacks and that bm is a nice design,price is out there but hey..
 
To quote Boats:
"The Vantage Pro fits what I am after, except for the following:
Its blade is a half inch too short at the minimum.
It is a drop point.
It is a liner lock.
It doesn't shout out that it is a Buck.
It uses a hole that isn't that great of a shape."

I agree the Vantage Pro is a totally different knife and is a liner lock, I much prefer lockbacks. I also think that a more modern 110, as was said call it a 2010 or whatever, would be very nice. Use stainless for the liners and bolsters, employ a quick opening stud and use a better quality steel. I would be all over that one, especially if it were a drop point. Well crap, I really like drop points.

The argument that we had the titanium (560?) one, doesn't hold water because it is discontinued. Just my thoughts, as a 110 collector.

Vinny
 
+1 to what Boats said. Great idea, I sure hope to see (and buy) one!
 
+1 to what Boats said. Great idea, I sure hope to see (and buy) one!

Don't hold your breath while you're waiting! :D

There are a bunch of folks out there waiting on something as simple as a premium steel blade upgrade to the 300 series. They're still waiting and that doesn't involve anything near like coming up with a brand new and different pattern!
 
a bunch of folks out there waiting on something as simple as a premium steel blade upgrade to the 300 series.

LOL Dave...I was thinking the same thing. But I do agree with the O.P. that a modernized 110 with low weight (Titanium), thumb stud, low ride clip, and premium steel would be a big hit IMO. Get me right, I don't think anyone is suggesting the 110 be replaced (no sane Buckeroo would) but another knife in Buck's line. Just sayin.
 
Which one of these didn't sell... and why?

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Of course it was the 560XLT. And - I think it's because it only came in the basic 420HC steel. All above are Ti handled - but the 560XLT has a dragging pivot - like the few others like it I've seen. Fix that - a bearing, maybe - and screwed together, not riveted. Better steels - like S30V - would help. I'd be there! Of course, put a clip on it, if you want, just make it easily removed! Note how flat the B-Ms and Kershaw lay without there clips.

The Benchmades - L-R: 630 Skirmish; 760BKLTi; and 635BK Mini Skirmish - are nicely made and fitted, while sharp, which is unusual - from some of my B-M experience. They have S30V, M4, & S30V blades - and really work and feel great. They list in the $200 range, with the 760 being the only one currently in production. The Kershaw is an upgrade metal - SG-2 - too. It's list was more. They all ran ~$165. Can Buck compete with that? Ti is not cheap - and galls, requiring more care in machining. Their frame-locks are well executed - a challenge for Buck? The 171/172 are up to it. Maybe a full sized version would do? It would be an expensive endeavor. Maybe different scaled variants of the #347 Vantage Pro in S30V would be a start. Please don't change the 110 - it is a classic.

Stainz
 
This sounds like what you're talking about. It's a Buck 486 Buck Lite. The blade style is similar to the 110 except for that it has thumb studs and a clip. The only thing is that it doesn't have a reversible clip.

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Just a couple of extra observations. I actually prefer a liner lock for one handed operation. I also prefer the thumb hole rather than the thumb stud. I don't think the 560 design is suitable for liner lock operation and the lockback is simply too cumbersone to close with one hand. If i don't need one hand operation I carry a 110. If I do, I carry either TNT or my Vantage Pro.

Someone can tinker with a new design but I'll stick with what I have! :thumbup:
 
I don't believe Boats is saying to change the classic 110, but to have a different model number with the features he has suggested.

A lighter version would need the thumb studs I think. It may not be heavy enough to open one handed without them, like I do with my 110's.

If not a lockback, my next preference would be a frame lock. I have had liner locks in other brands fold up on me.
 
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