Why I DON'T carry a large chopper knife.

But do you also supplement that with another knife ?

I don't disagree with ya buddy I'm just saying what I have found works for me. We are all different and all live in different locations so there is no right or wrong way of doing these things !;)

Sorry, that came across argumentative. Carry what you like for sure. Like I said I can see the utility in a large knife. :D

In your situation you also mentioned an axe would be more readily available post SHTF, I disagree. Both will be pretty easily found, I can go into any restaurant and find a good 10" blade of high carbon to go along with fire axe on the walls.
-Zombie Zeke
True enough but the idea that a 10" chefs knife is similar to a 1/4" busse is a stretch. On the other points about useability, I've actually found a hatchet to be more useful for finer tasks than a similar weight knife. I can see two things a big knife can do better in a survival scenario. First is use as a draw knife, something I've never done or probably have the need for. The second is brush clearing and in that case I'd pick up a machete.
 
I doubt anyone carries a 2+ pound chopper when multi-day backpacking. A belt knife and saw would be the practical choice but if your out car camping, at deer camp all week or out bush bumming for the day, a chopper is nice to have a use.
Your skills should allow you to accomplish the task at hand with a variety of tools in the event your left without what your most comfortable and familiar with.
 
Sorry, that came across argumentative. Carry what you like for sure. Like I said I can see the utility in a large knife. :D


True enough but the idea that a 10" chefs knife is similar to a 1/4" busse is a stretch. On the other points about useability, I've actually found a hatchet to be more useful for finer tasks than a similar weight knife. I can see two things a big knife can do better in a survival scenario. First is use as a draw knife, something I've never done or probably have the need for. The second is brush clearing and in that case I'd pick up a machete.

Please set us straight on a few points

Explain you would pick up??

In a true survival situation are you planning on having it with you or getting one somehow??

Please define the TYPE of situation you expect to use a Machete or axe for as well..

Thanks
 
I'm right and you're wrong... plain and simple.


Now... what was the question, again?:o:p


I tend to shift every few years or so between what is a want or need. The great thing about never being able to make up your mind on bushtools is that you maintain certain level of skill with ALL of them. Limiting what you carry isn't a bad thing as long as it is backed by reason, not hype.


Rick
 
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At the risk of stirring up a hornets nest...well I'm just gonna anyway.:D

Way to start a Great Thread!!

Must admit I'm of the chopper persuasion, but also favor the "Semper Gumby" approach to preparedness; improvise, adapt and overcome :thumbup: ...

The snow levels here are starting to limit backcountry access, but there are still places to play with sharp, shiny objects :D - Meet at the EOC, Sunday, Noon O'clock...!

Just sayin'
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Sorry, that came across argumentative. Carry what you like for sure. Like I said I can see the utility in a large knife. :D


True enough but the idea that a 10" chefs knife is similar to a 1/4" busse is a stretch. On the other points about useability, I've actually found a hatchet to be more useful for finer tasks than a similar weight knife. I can see two things a big knife can do better in a survival scenario. First is use as a draw knife, something I've never done or probably have the need for. The second is brush clearing and in that case I'd pick up a machete.

Wait a second.

The original parameter was that a axe would be easier to find than a big knife, this was my response to that particular issue. Now I know that a 10" Chef is not going to parallel the useability of a specific knife designed to be a chopper. My point though is that it is easier to get post SHTF.

A 10" chef will not chop as well as a hatchet granted, but it will slice, quarter, whittle and provide a reliable self defense tool without the fatigue as a hatchet.
 
I have been making allot of Self Bows and handles for my Forging hammers that I am also making or altering old hammers to fit my role. Anyhow I have made a few observations that have caused me to alter my personal choices a bit.

There is no way I would Be able to split the Osage logs with a large knife , I have to have the wedge shape of my axe. It took a Good deal of time with my Full size Axe and many wooden wedges to get the logs to split and at Times I wished I had the Maul and a steel wedge. I then use a hatchet to get the ruff shape, but after about 2 hours I was hatchet beat. So I forged up a large chopper knife that also serves as my draw knife, I was able to go much longer with this knife then I was my Hatchet. Finally I finish off with my EDC knife that is just a Bushcraft knife I ground out.

So Just from this I have decided that if its winter or cold I will without a doubt have a full size Axe.

My woods knife will end up being a pretty large Nessie style blade, I have yet to forge this out but ill get around to it soon

My Bushcraft knife is now my EDC, Im a mountain man looking dude, big beard suspenders Logging boots, you know the type so it wont took to out of place

My pocket knife is a folding swiss army knife , One day ill find something nicer but not better then this simple cheap knife. I have tried to replace it many times over but nothing has yet to be able to fill its shoes.

I Have Various Hatchets And I would use them and feel comfortable with them in most any task , but after hours of use the Large knife has just suited my needs more.

I think the key to any tool is to know how to use it, there is no one simple answer there is only whats right for you and as long as the job gets done it docent really matter what tool you required to complete it.
 
My pocket knife is a folding swiss army knife , One day ill find something nicer but not better then this simple cheap knife. I have tried to replace it many times over but nothing has yet to be able to fill its shoes.

Good luck with that. My ugly red SAK sees more use than all my other folders.
 
Axes might be better for chopping wood but who wants to carryone wherever you go not me . I have a rtak II and it cuts and chops just fine.
 
Whatever you're comfortable with in the end. I do like my choppers though. I like a knife that has that extra ability...you never know when you might need it.

Just about any decent large fixed blade is going to have some chopping ability, but why not have one that was designed to do so?

My ESEE-5 for example I guess would qualify as a chopper and it's quite good at that role, but I've found it to be vastly versatile beyond just chopping. So why not have a knife that's good at a lot of different jobs like this one?

I have a Becker BK2 and a ESEE Junglas as well, wouldn't part with em' for the world. They're too valuable a tool.
 
My ESEE-5 for example I guess would qualify as a chopper and it's quite good at that role, but I've found it to be vastly versatile beyond just chopping. So why not have a knife that's good at a lot of different jobs like this one?

Well, I hear this often and it sort of makes sense if you are destined to force yourself into a one tool scenario. But when people say that a 9-10" blade behaves well for fine chores, I just can't agree with it. A small (3-4.5") knife is just such a joy to use. There would simply be a lot of knife chores I would forgo with a large chopper knife. Sure you can make due without doing that stuff, but it isn't fun. Making a figure 4 with a chopper. Yeah it can be done, but it ain't fun or joyful. Its more like focused concentration on how not to chop your finger off while doing the task at hand. For me, choppers do that chopping pretty good. They do everything else with little grace and I have the same problem with trying to make a hatchet behave like a knife. You can do a lot of stuff. You can fillet a fish with a hatchet. Will it look like you filleted the fish with a hatchet? Yes, it will!
 
^ my thoughts exactly, IF you have a choice (there may be instances where you don't)- a small knife, small folding saw and small hatchet gives me the most bang for the weight
 
Well, I hear this often and it sort of makes sense if you are destined to force yourself into a one tool scenario. But when people say that a 9-10" blade behaves well for fine chores, I just can't agree with it. A small (3-4.5") knife is just such a joy to use. There would simply be a lot of knife chores I would forgo with a large chopper knife. Sure you can make due without doing that stuff, but it isn't fun. Making a figure 4 with a chopper. Yeah it can be done, but it ain't fun or joyful. Its more like focused concentration on how not to chop your finger off while doing the task at hand. For me, choppers do that chopping pretty good. They do everything else with little grace and I have the same problem with trying to make a hatchet behave like a knife. You can do a lot of stuff. You can fillet a fish with a hatchet. Will it look like you filleted the fish with a hatchet? Yes, it will!

I can agree with what you and mtwarden say. I have been working with my BK9 quite a bit lately, and I can use it with some joy in my hands. I keep thinking about a couple of different cultures, that life centers around a knife. Mostly, the Nepalese and the Indonesians. Both close in region, but very different cultures. The Nepalese use a large khuk for most tasks, and from the studying I've done, they usually don't swap large and small, they just use what they got. The Indonesians are based around the machete for every task they encounter from diggin' latrines to cuttin ' up dinner to chopping wood to making fire. It all hinges around the big blade, mainly, 'cause that's all they got. In Africa, some families only have one blade (machete) to share between the whole family.

I have smaller blades, and I use them and I love them. They are a joy to use for small tasks. But I will be the first to admit that I am a spoiled American that can afford to have many blades for many tasks. That being said,

I Loves ma choppas':D

Moose
 
Here is an interesting true story that is fitting for the upcoming season and appropriate for this thread. When I was about seven or eight years old I was opening up my Christmas gifts I had made my way through the lot and I came to a shirt box sized gift that I was not very excited about. It could have been thirty years to the day next month, I'm not precisely sure. Anyway, I peeled back the tissue paper and my eyes must have become big as saucers. Staring back at me was a cheap (maybe $7.99 or so) small hand axe from the local home improvement store.

I am absolutely sure that I probably received some great toys and other much more expensive presents that Christmas but I couldn't begin to tell you what any of them were. I was in the woods in my back yard inside of ten minutes. :) The trust implicit in that gift from my father (most of the others were from Mom and Dad or from Santa) and the images of the fun days ahead with that axe were almost too much to overcome. That afternoon I took some flak from my cousins who decided to start calling me by my new nickname 'Axe' because I wouldn't stop showing it off.

The events of the next few days included a visit from my next door neighbors who were none too happy that I had crossed over their property line way back in the woods and started cutting down trees maybe 3" or 4" in diameter that did not belong to us. I didn't even know what a property line was nor had I learned to respect the environment but I was absolutely in love with that simple tool.

I never even knew what a chopper was until a few years ago but I've been using axes and hatchets for most of my life. They are my choice when it comes to chopping. My GB Wildlife Hatchet and a small, stout fixed blade knife are all I feel I need to take with me into the woods most of the time. :)
 
I can agree with what you and mtwarden say. I have been working with my BK9 quite a bit lately, and I can use it with some joy in my hands. I keep thinking about a couple of different cultures, that life centers around a knife. Mostly, the Nepalese and the Indonesians. Both close in region, but very different cultures. The Nepalese use a large khuk for most tasks, and from the studying I've done, they usually don't swap large and small, they just use what they got. The Indonesians are based around the machete for every task they encounter from diggin' latrines to cuttin ' up dinner to chopping wood to making fire. It all hinges around the big blade, mainly, 'cause that's all they got. In Africa, some families only have one blade (machete) to share between the whole family.

I have smaller blades, and I use them and I love them. They are a joy to use for small tasks. But I will be the first to admit that I am a spoiled American that can afford to have many blades for many tasks. That being said,

I Loves ma choppas':D

Moose

Well, you can make a point about those where metal is rare and unaffordable. But the Khuk's have their little karda blades in there for a reason. Most folks with them machetes also have a little folding blade, even a steak knife. I don't know...I get at little bit tired (not directed at you Moose) with the guys who claim that you can do everything on earth with a big blade but that a small blade is limited. Fact is, anybody who has their choice goes the multi-tool route.

I also happen to think that an emergency blanket and garbage bag and some paracord is far smaller and lighter than a big chopper and replaces its function in shelter in aces and spades. There are lots of small, space/weight saving pieces that can readily allow somebody to forgo a big chopper on a day hike and be more prepared than the guy without any of that stuff except the big chopper on his hip.

But hey, a guy who carries all that stuff plus a big chopper. Nothing wrong with that either. I just don't suffer it on day hikes when I know I'm not going to make a big man fire.
 
Well, you can make a point about those where metal is rare and unaffordable. But the Khuk's have their little karda blades in there for a reason. Most folks with them machetes also have a little folding blade, even a steak knife. I don't know...I get at little bit tired (not directed at you Moose) with the guys who claim that you can do everything on earth with a big blade but that a small blade is limited. Fact is, anybody who has their choice goes the multi-tool route.

I also happen to think that an emergency blanket and garbage bag and some paracord is far smaller and lighter than a big chopper and replaces its function in shelter in aces and spades. There are lots of small, space/weight saving pieces that can readily allow somebody to forgo a big chopper on a day hike and be more prepared than the guy without any of that stuff except the big chopper on his hip.

But hey, a guy who carries all that stuff plus a big chopper. Nothing wrong with that either. I just don't suffer it on day hikes when I know I'm not going to make a big man fire.

No doubt, every word true, IMO. I, like dttomcat, recieved a gift when I was young, a Kabar 1217, used damn near up. It was gift from an uncle who is no longer with us. He wasn't much of a role model, he drank, swore, and was generally considered by most, not much of a man. He was a Korean Vet, and had problems going far beyond my comprehension at that time. I digress, he gave me that knife, taught me how to use it, and keep it sharp. Now, most would not consider a 1217 a big knife, but to an 8yr old boy, its huge. I am in the big knife group, I have axes, and machete's, but I will always have a big knife with me.

Based on my location, and where I play, I have no need to carry an axe when I hit the woods. I also look at it like this, my BK9 has 9" of edge, and is more forgiving when I'm cold, or tired (no survival here guys), than the 4-6" of edge that an axe has. I can expend less energy (I'm lazy) batoning wood (yeah, I baton), sitting on my butt in front of a fire, than I can standing and swinging an axe. I know you don't have to swing an axe standing, but I do. I split wood for my fireplace down to managable sizes on my splittin' stump in the backyard with an axe, but I baton it down to size in my house with my KH Jungle Panawal.

I am in NO WAY trying to sway anyone to change their ideals, just the opposite, I enjoy the diversity in the woodland culture we have here. I like hearing and learning how folks get by with a 4" busher, or machete, or axe, or big knife. I learn how others do it, and it helps me everytime I hit the woods, because I read/see how others are doin' it, and I try it and I learn from it. I may not always be here in East Tennessee, so I have to learn and train myself to break out of my habits. These forums help me do that.

Moose
 
Can't really argue you with your philosophy Moose

Thank you. I really can't argue with yours either. Your points make perfect sense to anyone on these forums. A different perspective is all, and that's what I love about this place.

Moose
 
Can't really argue you with your philosophy Moose


Thank you. I really can't argue with yours either. Your points make perfect sense to anyone on these forums. A different perspective is all, and that's what I love about this place.

Moose


Awwwwh.... you guys are so cute.:barf:


There really is no sense in arguing personal preference. We all evaluate our experiences differently. I might decide that a recent woods outing strengthened my belief in "big knife" carry. Ken, who may have gone on the very same trip is convinced that a small knife is the way to go. (though he would still be wrong:p) If bushcraft and wilderness skills were so cut and dry that there was only one way to accomplish a task, THEN you may have some leverage in a particular arguement... but that is not the way it is. There are SSSOOOOOO many paths to take, techniques to combine and environments to contend with, that we each have the opportunity to express ourselves and our craft as we see fit.

Four years ago, I would have been arguing for the "small knives rule" clan... four years before that, "go big or go home.". I'm just glad that there is so much diversity in the natural world and how we interact with it, that I can work with whatever I'm fortunate enough to have infront of me.

Ken is still wrong, btw... juss sayin' (That is a bit unfair of me to say, cuz I never really read his posts, anyway)

Rick
 
I doubt anyone carries a 2+ pound chopper when multi-day backpacking. A belt knife and saw would be the practical choice but if your out car camping, at deer camp all week or out bush bumming for the day, a chopper is nice to have a use.
Your skills should allow you to accomplish the task at hand with a variety of tools in the event your left without what your most comfortable and familiar with.

I do.:o I carry a 3lb axe with a 26" to 36" handle in the winter here in the hardwoods.
But I'm skinny so I gotta have fire wood and a heavy long axe makes that easy for me.
My pack weighs almost as much as I do though.:D
Iz
 
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