Why I probably won't buy another Randall...

What the Hell are you talking about. Please read all the posts before throwing words like egocentric around, and stop looking for an excuse to start an argument.
You don't have to agree with me but there is absolutely NO reason to try and make this personal.
 
Excuse me? You are 100% out of line here chief. You obviously trying to start an argument here for absolutely nor reason. I get it, you disagree but I think we can all do without someone trying to turn a discussion into a name calling game.
If you have nothing constructive to add please refrain from posting.
 
I have 6 Randalls at this time and carry one or more of them every day depending on my mood.
Just the fact that each and every Randall knife is totally hand made by an American craftsman and no 2 of even the same model is just the same since no jigs and fixtures are used.

I am not a collector because I could not afford to collect as some people do but there is something call "pride of ownership" and I am proud to carry and display my Randalls as a product of truly good old American workmanship.

I have one Randall due to come in 2006 and 2 more due in 2008...the wait is tough but in the long run it is worth it to me.

Ron
:rolleyes:
 
"Pride of ownership" is a huge issue with Randalls. Face it, there are better knives with better steel. My Fehrman in CPM 3V is arguably a tougher knife which will keep a better edge. While I like it a lot, it isn't a Randall. Maybe 20 or 30 years from now, someone will be saying "it isn't a Fehrman", but right now it's just a good hard use knife. Likewise Randalls started out as working knives for people who used knives. If it was just folks who used knives buying RMK's, Randall would be out of business.
 
From what I've read of Randall's...ALL their knives are users. People can use them hard, or keep 'em in a safe. You can do the same with Busses.

I too don't understand what "collector options" are.
 
I think that what Badzilla83 considers to be collector type options are fancy materials that don't add to the functionality of a knife, but usually add to the cost. I like it when a knife company offers me options. Even though they are very practical, and comfortable, I don't care for stacked leather handles and I don't like brass. If stag and nickel silver are offered as options I will pick them every time.
 
Kieth,
It was more of a rant against the fact that collectors drive the price of the knife beyond affordability... the collector options was more of an "add on" to support his arguement.
 
Badzilla83 said:
the company seems to have shifted
it's focus to placating collectors...
it disheartens me to think that so many of
these fine tools ...sold like baseball cards rather
than being used for the purposes they were designed.

"Nordicknives.com" which offers
user grade Randalls in about a year but only at an
exorbant mark-up. I refuse to pay $335 for a $265
knife.

Knives are tools, not trophies.
realize that a 4yr wait means

I would like to see the company reduce the number of collector type options and concentrate on making knives more likely to be used.

If for no other reason to ensure that more usable,
affordable knives are in circulation for users like
me.
I strongly disagree with the idea that a knife is more valuable as a horded display item than in the hands of someone who uses it while they're out enjoying life.
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So, with these selected lines that you've written yourself...


you express dismay with the fact that collectors buy Randalls.
You express your inability and refusal to pay the fair market price for a knife...
You then express that certain people do not deserve to have their wants and needs fulfilled even though they are willing to pay the fair market price you're unwilling to pay. And, you further reinforce the evidence of your selfishness by stating that Randall should be obligated to produce knives just to satisfy your needs...

You reiterate again in the end that your needs are valid and that others are not...
 
Wow,you completely misread and misinterpereted everything I said and you are taking it very personal for some reason, or you're just itching for a fight for some reason.
This is my opinion only. I never said that I was picketing the company or attempting to bring legal action or some other ridiculous scheme to get them to do what I want. I wouldn't even call it a boycott. I like their knives, I like tham a lot, but I probably will not buy another on because I would be easier to get what I want from someone else, I already have.
I believe that I am allowed not to collect knives and not to personally see the value in such a practice if I choose. I am the kind of person that if I need a knife I buy one, when it's time to replace it I do so. I have other things I'd rather spend my money on than knives I won't get a chance to use.

I realize that many of you here do not agree with me. That's fine. I don't hold it against anyone. I certainly never said that "certain people do not deserve to have their wants and needs fulfilled, nor did I imply it. At least not intentionally. And strongly disagreeing with someone elses ideal is not the same as etching it in stone. I strongly disagree with many things that even my friends say and do but I do not consider their wants and needs invalid as a result.

I simply wanted to voice my opion that I find frustrating that I will not be able to replace the knife I had as easily as I would like. Sure, I'd like to see fewer of these knives in collections, but I'm not deranged enough assume that what I want is going to change anything.

By the way, there is absolutely no reason, based on what I oringinally said, to assume that I could not afford "fair market value." It seems that you are twisting words in order to make me appear beneath you or other members of this forum. It seems to me that you are grasping for straws here to turn this into a personal attack as opposed to a discussion.

Mr. Mutt I think that we need to agree to disagree here. No hard feeling on my end. But no good can come from us trying to argue the merits of collecting vs. not collecting.
If this has already turned into an argument, regardles of who started it, I would like to formally end it now.
 
I found your original post to be amusing a bit, and I like to hear others opinions, the honesty of it was refreshing. But like words alone are, no one can see your face, so some see what they want on the invisible face.

It's all in fun.
 
MelancholyMutt said:
you express dismay with the fact that collectors buy Randalls.
You express your inability and refusal to pay the fair market price for a knife...
You then express that certain people do not deserve to have their wants and needs fulfilled even though they are willing to pay the fair market price you're unwilling to pay. And, you further reinforce the evidence of your selfishness by stating that Randall should be obligated to produce knives just to satisfy your needs...

You reiterate again in the end that your needs are valid and that others are not...
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WTF???? Are You kidding?

I'm sorry to Hijack here but, Mutt it's apparent to me that wherever you post, you just stir the pot and add a nice dose of negativity, and it seems intentional bordering on pathology. Is this amusing to you?

Badzilla83, welcome to the forums! Please don't let the bad habits of one poster deter you from hanging around.

I didn't get the impression at all that you were bashing collectors, just that it upsets you that a company known for its excellent working knives now seems to be geared more towards "safe queen collectors". All I can say is 'Them's the breaks kid' I see it as an opportunity to explore a new company, maker or brand.
 
Badzilla83 said:
Thanks for all the suggestions. I just wanted to let you know that I've already chosen a new hunting knife. It was made by a gentelman named Dennis Riley from Arkansas.
http://www.rileycustomknives.com/images/MVC-025S3.JPG
Just for the record everyone; My main gripe was not about the 4yr wait, even though a shorter one would be nice.
There are lots and lots of Randalls out in the market available but most of these seem to have collector geared options that I either do not need or want.
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That is a very nice knife. I'm sure it will serve you well.
 
Marcelo Cantu said:
WTF???? Are You kidding?

I'm sorry to Hijack here but, Mutt it's apparent to me that wherever you post, you just stir the pot and add a nice dose of negativity, and it seems intentional bordering on pathology. Is this amusing to you?
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Hey Marcelo,
You've seen me here long enough to notice my posting trends. Here are several things that I tend to post against adamantly...

1) posts or posters who are judgemental without good cause
2) posts or posters who feel entitled to things
3) posts or posters who blame others for things that are blameless or their own fault
4) posts or posters who try to justify wrongful behavior

I mean, I've never gone after you Marcelo, cause you've always been a standup kinda guy... live and let live. I went after badzilla cause his first post basically abrasive and stupid. I do understand that after reading the most previous posts that I might have been a little harsh on him, but post number 30 was a denial of what was plainly written in previous posts, but he went back and edited it to look as if he was being attacked unprovoked...

It's not the fact that he's upset with collectors that bother me... it's the fact that he would actually feel that Randall or the rest of the world should do things to please him. The feeling of entitlement can be a very dangerous thing.
 
Maybe I am missing something, but if you want to buy a Randall, go to E-Bay.

Just my 2 cents.
 
MelancholyMutt said:
1) posts or posters who are judgemental without good cause
2) posts or posters who feel entitled to things
3) posts or posters who blame others for things that are blameless or their own fault
4) posts or posters who try to justify wrongful behavior
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This is the list that I use to decide what posts to either ignore or joke with. Seems to me anyone with any of the above problems is having enough of a hard time in life, I don't need to become part their sickness.

Besides they may just be joking!
 
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