Why I will probably never buy another knife from Canal Street Cutlery

draggat

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1 year ago, Canal Street Cutlery received a knife I sent to them for warranty service. The knife, a Half Moon Trapper, was purchased new from knivesshipfree.com. When I received it from the dealer, it had an extraordinarily weak back spring. It literally had zero tension on the blade. I have found out in this past year, that this is a common issue with this knife, to the point that CSC actually redesigned it. Anyway, I contacted knivesshipfree.com and was told to send it to CSC and that they would take care of me. Well, they haven't.

I figured that this repair might take a while, so in mid October 2013, I called to inquire about the status. The person I talked to said that a new knife was going to be made for me but that production wouldn't begin until January. I figured, hey that's great!

I kind of forgot about the knife until the beginning of June 2014. I called again to check on its whereabouts. Apparently nothing had been done, but when they realized how long I had been waiting, the person I spoke with said they were going to take the same knife earmarked for someone else, and send it to me instead. Considering how long it had been, I said fine, even though it didn't seem right to me. They promised that the knife would be sent by the next day at the latest.

On July 1st, 2014, I still hadn't received anything....... I called again. This time Wally Gardiner, an owner, actually answered. I told him the story and he asked to call me back, which he did promptly. Apparently they had waited 4 months for my antique bone handle material to come from the manufacturer. He also made a comment about summer being a good time to catch up on repairs, but never an apology for letting me wait nearly a year. He also told me that unfortunately, they don't have a system to contact customers who are the victim of extremely long wait times. After all of this, he told me that he had the new knife right there in his hands and that it would be sent to me by the end of the following day at the very latest.

A week later, I mentioned here on BF that I had been waiting nearly a year for a CSC Warranty issue in another thread. One of their cutlers actually contacted me and within the following week, made a knife for me and even sent me a picture of it via email. 2 weeks went by and I asked him if he knew the whereabouts, but he didnt. He thought it had been sent out. I cannot place blame on him... if anything, I am grateful that he tried to help me.

Something is seriously wrong with this company's policies, culture, what have you. If a warranty is offered, then we, the customer, expect it to be upheld. Especially when it comes to knives that are advertised as 'heirloom quality'. I'm not exactly in a pinch to get the knife back so that I can use it.... I own 18 other knives from them.. in fact, CSC is the company that sparked my interest in traditional knives. However, when not just an employee, but an owner, makes a promise to send a repaired knife to me and completely fails to deliver, multiple times, I have to second guess.

I suppose I could hope that they might send me an additional engraved knife like they did to this fellow http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...anal-Street-customer-service-problem-resolved
But to be completely honest, I just want the knife I purchased back. At this point, I have to doubt that I will ever get it back though. Be advised that if you send an email, it will be sent into a black hole and nothing will ever come of it. I'm sure that many people have had fine dealings with CSC, but you have to admit, that when there is more than one horror story posted here, it is affecting more people than those who post.

If you can help me, I would be grateful, but my advice is to demand a replacement or a refund from the dealer because the manufacturer isn't going to do anything but string you along forever.
 
Wow... a year long saga for customer service to fix a faulty product?

This reminds me why I always use American Express. They would have forced the issue one way or another about 11 months ago (or more!). They have helped me more than once on all manner of products.

Sorry to hear about this misadventure. I personally don't think any domestic knife makers should feel they are in a position to take their customers for granted given the sway in quality production to European and Pacific Rim manufacturing.

I would be more than a little ticked off if I had spoken one of the owners and had been lied to by him. I think your post was quite civil and polite in consideration of the fact you bought a knife, sent it in, was promised another, and now have nothing.

All this after one full year of waiting and promises...

Robert
 
When I hear stories like this, it gives the impression that a company is not doing well financially.
It could be true or not , but that's the impression I get.
 
why the knifeshipfree pass you by to CSC instead of dealing with them
was it long after you purchase that you call them?
 
why the knifeshipfree pass you by to CSC instead of dealing with them
was it long after you purchase that you call them?

To be honest, it's been so long that I don't exactly remember. I think it had been about a month..... I know, too long, but I asked if they would be willing to exchange it. The knife was in new condition. After their response, I waited a couple months because I had read the thread I linked in the OP and didn't want the knife to disappear. Ultimately, after purchasing a few of the redesigned versions, I knew I would be never happy with it and sent it in.
 
It has been too long for me to remember why we sent you back to Canal St. My suspicion was that it was out of the time for our normal returns.

In any event, this is an unacceptable situation.

Give me a call after 9 pacific time and we will get it taken care of.
 
It has been too long for me to remember why we sent you back to Canal St. My suspicion was that it was out of the time for our normal returns.

In any event, this is an unacceptable situation.

Give me a call after 9 pacific time and we will get it taken care of.

Thank you, Derrick. I will call later today. I think that I did wait a bit too long to return it initially. I didn't mean to disparage you or your company, as I have had nothing but excellent experiences with KSF.
 
It has been too long for me to remember why we sent you back to Canal St. My suspicion was that it was out of the time for our normal returns.

In any event, this is an unacceptable situation.

Give me a call after 9 pacific time and we will get it taken care of.

Take note CSC ,this is good service.
 
I contacted Derrick today. Well, tried to at least, but he was busy moving the store. Anyway, his solution was an immediate refund.

Derrick, I cannot begin to thank you enough. This is the type of service that will keep me coming back again and again. I know that this is not the first time you have bent over backwards to make things right with your customers. I do have to say that I wish it had never happened in the first place and I hope that you are able to recoup your loss from CSC. I never really had an issue with KSF in the first place, but thank you. I probably should have contacted you before I posted this thread, but I have to admit, at the time I was just sick and tired of waiting.

At this point, I consider this issue resolved on my end, and will not be contacting CSC again. If for some reason they do contact me, I will update in this thread. I am saddened that they are/were unable or unwilling to make things right, but it is what it is and I'm going to leave the original post unedited so that hopefully others will not have to deal with the same thing.

As to their quality in general, my experience has been 1 lemon out of 19, which honestly isn't bad. The fact that they kept telling me it was in the mail when it wasn't is the real issue.... well, that along with waiting for an entire year. Maybe they are having financial problems, which really is too bad.

Anyway, thanks again Derrick for being such a stand up guy. I know most members probably already know that knivesshipfree.com is a great place to buy knives and here is yet another example of why.
 
I contacted Derrick today. Well, tried to at least, but he was busy moving the store. Anyway, his solution was an immediate refund.

Derrick, I cannot begin to thank you enough. This is the type of service that will keep me coming back again and again. I know that this is not the first time you have bent over backwards to make things right with your customers. I do have to say that I wish it had never happened in the first place and I hope that you are able to recoup your loss from CSC. I never really had an issue with KSF in the first place, but thank you. I probably should have contacted you before I posted this thread, but I have to admit, at the time I was just sick and tired of waiting.

At this point, I consider this issue resolved on my end, and will not be contacting CSC again. If for some reason they do contact me, I will update in this thread. I am saddened that they are/were unable or unwilling to make things right, but it is what it is and I'm going to leave the original post unedited so that hopefully others will not have to deal with the same thing.

As to their quality in general, my experience has been 1 lemon out of 19, which honestly isn't bad. The fact that they kept telling me it was in the mail when it wasn't is the real issue.... well, that along with waiting for an entire year. Maybe they are having financial problems, which really is too bad.

Anyway, thanks again Derrick for being such a stand up guy. I know most members probably already know that knivesshipfree.com is a great place to buy knives and here is yet another example of why.

I am glad to know that everything has been worked out. Derrick, definitely handled this in a judicious, & professional manner.

As for you, draggat: I don't thank that I have ever been this thoroughly impressed, by the way an OP has handled a concern here in the GBU. We can all learn a lesson in the civility that you have displayed here. There aren't too many member's who would have had the patience to give a company an entire year to make things right. You deserve to have the exclusive rights to the proverbial phrase: "patience is a virtue."
 
That is absolutely phenomenal customer service! Derrick, and KnivesShipFree, you've made a future customer out of me.

Draggat, I am happy for you that you've finally gotten a resolution to your problem - a very impressive one, at that.

I contacted Derrick today. Well, tried to at least, but he was busy moving the store. Anyway, his solution was an immediate refund.

Derrick, I cannot begin to thank you enough. This is the type of service that will keep me coming back again and again. I know that this is not the first time you have bent over backwards to make things right with your customers. I do have to say that I wish it had never happened in the first place and I hope that you are able to recoup your loss from CSC. I never really had an issue with KSF in the first place, but thank you. I probably should have contacted you before I posted this thread, but I have to admit, at the time I was just sick and tired of waiting.

At this point, I consider this issue resolved on my end, and will not be contacting CSC again. If for some reason they do contact me, I will update in this thread. I am saddened that they are/were unable or unwilling to make things right, but it is what it is and I'm going to leave the original post unedited so that hopefully others will not have to deal with the same thing.

As to their quality in general, my experience has been 1 lemon out of 19, which honestly isn't bad. The fact that they kept telling me it was in the mail when it wasn't is the real issue.... well, that along with waiting for an entire year. Maybe they are having financial problems, which really is too bad.

Anyway, thanks again Derrick for being such a stand up guy. I know most members probably already know that knivesshipfree.com is a great place to buy knives and here is yet another example of why.
 
Just so you know...we don't do refunds a year later very often! It is just crazy for someone to have a knife that was never right and then go into a manufacturer's black hole.

Anyway, Canal Street makes some great knives and I wouldn't toss them out....everyone needs a mulligan from time to time.
 
Amen! Super Customer Service. There is only one way to do something... the right way! What an example of doing that and then going above and beyond. Love KSF!
 
I personally don't think that Derrick is providing good customer service. As a small business owner myself, I think he is going well above and beyond to make sure he has a happy customer. A year later... paying for the lack of service from someone else... and him just finding out about the problem now... and still making things right for his customer...

That is exemplary, not good. Really impressive.

Robert
 
Very impressive example of customer service. This is a positive pattern I've noticed from Derrick. I'll look to KSF the next time I get an itch to buy a knife.
 
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