It's the IDIOTS who have opened carry that is the cause, and, trust me, this world is nowhere near running short of its supply of idiots. They abound.
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What do you mean by "opened carry"?
If it's not against the law, why is it a problem? If you want it illegal, petition to have it voted on, but be prepared to suck it up when multiple other knife laws that DO effect you get passed too.
Freedom be damned though.
Open carry isn't bad. IDIOTS openly carrying is. It's not the knife that's the problem. It's not the manner of carry that's the problem. IDIOTS are the problem. Sadly some people are just too idiotic to be trusted with liberty and freedom. You and I, Joe Regular Dudes, pay for it, and it's the reason for this thread.
This is very true.
I've met a few guys who would flip open their big folders in dramatic (sometimes reckless) fashion right in front of people (two of them worked in stores) either to cut a tag off, or just to show off. Some knife people may think, 'So what's the problem?' The problem is, showing off with your knife in a 'loud' manner around other people, especially strangers, is bound to create a negative impression. I actually said to one guy who did that, "I try not to flourish my knife around in front of people," and he said, "I don't give a F what other people think. I'll flip my knife around anywhere I want. If it scares them, F 'em."
The problem is, if knife carriers weren't seen as potential nutcases beforehand, that will do it. Yes, there are idiots who think all knives should be banned and that nobody should ever carry one...that the only use for a knife is as a weapon. But there are also idiots who carry knives who only encourage that opinion by acting stupidly, without consideration, thus giving a poor image to all knife carriers. This type of person does nothing to help educate others about responsible knife carry and use.
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This was forty plus years ago. I was riding a bus from Tucson Az. to Billings Mt. the bus topped at a roadside ice cream parlor. There was an older couple at a table near me from somewhere back east. Looking out the front windows there was a to the horizon nothing but empty desert. I could tell by the conversation the wife was afraid an Indian attack might appear out of the desert at any minute. It was comical.
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I carry a huge folder at work, I also carry a Victorinox Swiss knife and 98% of the people there have never seen my large folder. Because it's never out in front of them. The other 2% are people I've shown the larger one to, because I know they like knives and will enjoy seeing it. The rest while they wouldn't think I was going to kill them with it, just wouldn't give a damn about it so why whip it out, to the sound of ti locking on steel, to cut a string or something? The little Swiss knife draws no attention and performs more work related tasks, nobody has ever even said a thing about it.
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It's easy to think that the people who disagree with your point of view are just idiots. Of course that's not the case. The reason the OP was stopped is because there's no real purpose for people to be walking around with a fixed blade of that size in a city. There just isn't. We like to fantasize that it's perfectly normal but it's really not to the vast majority of the world. The OP knows he didn't bring it as a weapon but the rest of the world doesn't know that.
As a fellow knife "enthusiast", whenever i see anyone with any knife i look at it. I even stare at the the SAK attached to the belt loop of the old man at the grocery store. Or the small fixed blade on the belt of the hot girl who just came into the diner on her horse. (i swear i was just checking out her knife, honey!)
Natural curiosity or admiration of a fellow knife knut aside, anyone who doesnt pay attention to a stranger with any potential weapon on them is a fool, because there are no shortage of psychos out there...
which stranger would you be more apt to shake hands with, the empty handed one or the one with a tool that can be used to stab with?
Natural curiosity or admiration of a fellow knife knut aside, anyone who doesnt pay attention to a stranger with any potential weapon on them is a fool, because there are no shortage of psychos out there...
which stranger would you be more apt to shake hands with, the empty handed one or the one with a tool that can be used to stab with?
There it is. I was just talking to my grandparents last night about this. It's amazing how quickly a society can change. From bringing rifles to school for hunter safety to being expelled for having a paintball gun in your car in 5-10 years.
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the vast majority of people are idiots. I am not talking about just being stupid, although that is commonplace. Common sense is a thing of the past, brain rot is the norm. People who try to placate these irrational hoplophobes are just as much a problem. Reinforcing the delusions of the mentally ill or simply ignorant does nobody a service.
There is no reason that a person should have to have a reason to carry a fixed blade. If they're not doing something illegal then they shouldn't be bothered. A criminal isn't gonna open carry a fixed blade.
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I grew up in Kansas and EVERYBODY carried a knife of some kind. One of my teachers used to ask my friend all the time if he could use his "pig sticker" to sharpen his pencils! (it was a cheapo OTF) I carried either a Buck 110 or a Kissing Cranes stiletto every day of junior high and high school. Try that nowadays.... Carry a knife, go directly to jail! Makes no damned sense to me whatsoever.
I think people who look at knife knuts crossways are just uneducated fools. I bet 99% of them have an 8" fixed blade they use all the time - it's called a kitchen knife, and everybody has one.... But let the same doofus see someone with a SMALL fixed blade on their hip, and watch them get uncomfortable. Sheeple are just funny to me anymore. I just look at em and smile. If they say anything about my blade, they are usually actually interested. I've never had anybody ask me anything negative about my cutlery. YMMV.
I think people who look at knife knuts crossways are just uneducated fools. I bet 99% of them have an 8" fixed blade they use all the time - it's called a kitchen knife, and everybody has one.... But let the same doofus see someone with a SMALL fixed blade on their hip, and watch them get uncomfortable. Sheeple are just funny to me anymore. I just look at em and smile. If they say anything about my blade, they are usually actually interested. I've never had anybody ask me anything negative about my cutlery. YMMV.
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Well I guess that gets down to whether or not you want police to be proactive or not. I think a police officer should investigate things that are hinky. That's one of the reasons the crime rate continues to drop. Are you really saying that anyone who would openly carry a fixed blade is a good guy? I think that's wishfull thinking at best. Besides, even well meaning people can get emotionally distraught and do things they normally wouldn't.
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Then what difference does it make if it's carried concealed or opened? Does a psycho say "nah, I won't cut someone since my knife is concealed today"?
By your logic, you're just a few steps away from supporting complete criminalization. I find it hilarious that you think out of sight is out of mind. I deal with these guys day in and day out, and the ONLY bad guys who open carry are the biker gangs. The guys who are willing to rob/assault/kill you are not open carrying. If you see their knife/gun, you better make the fight versus flight decision real freaking quick.
If I checked every guy I came across that had a visible knife I'd be wasting hours per week. And how far does it go? Fixed blades? Pouched SAK's? Visible folder pocket clips? So in deciding everyone with a knife is a criminal, how far are you willing to take it?
You can give up your rights, but I'd prefer to keep mine even if I only open carry in the wild.
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Welcome to America. I'm a CCW instructor and try to convince my students to carry concealed instead of open, open carry requires no license in Colorado. You lose the element of surprise, and you and the guard will probably be the first ones to get shot when a bank robber comes into the bank. Knives are the same. When out in the woods carrying a fixed blade knife is not uncommon. Carrying a fixed blade knife to the movies, while legal in most states, will get you a lot of stares and dirty looks. My advice to the OP is to ask "Why?". With so many fantastic folders out there why carry a fixed blade as your normal carry, unless you need it day-to-day? When I was younger I did a lot of things that looked cool but were kinda stupid, thinking back. A good friend of mine brought his rifle to show-and-tell when he was a child. Try that today. BTW, if I lived in Jasper I'd probably carry a fixed blade, too. :thumbup: My advice? Get a nice folder for out of town.