Why isn't Magnacut more available in production knives?

Knives&Lint said:
I have no dog in the fight, so I'm not arguing against your point, but my observation here is just how much track record matters when it comes to getting the benefit of the doubt. Also, I can't imagine Sal and Eric's response in an instance like this being anything other than trying to get to the bottom of the issue, rather than reacting claws out.
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That's exactly what Spyderco did, they got to the bottom and offered to take care of it. That is what Bark River does, but when Mike just denies mistakes it doesn't help. Every company makes mistakes. I imagine Hinderer is going to have a stain on his record for awhile due to the Transparent Knives lawsuit. Same thing for Strider and the whole fake valor debacle. Somethings are just going to ruin reputations.
 
91bravo said:
Bark River sucks and the owner acts like an ass. There, I said it.
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Well the first part isn't true, but the second part is true at times. It does seem like anytime Bark River is mentioned online there is going to be this kind of discussion.
 
91bravo said:
There’s a reason for that. I’m not gonna do the homework for you, but the information is out there and on this forum. I think craytab craytab has some educational links?
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I know the whole saga, even up to where Bark River made their own forums to avoid getting bashed on by bladeforums (which went horribly for Bark River). I still think for the most part the people in the workshop know what they are doing and do make good knives. Like I said, I've owned a few and they all did as advertised. That being said, I am more of a Mora guy nowadays when it comes to outdoors stuff.
 
91bravo said:
Has anyone put this steel to actual work yet? Edge retention? Chipability? I’m curious to try it out in my work environment, but can’t find a model that I like with it. I’m looking for a large CRK in Magnacut if anyone has one to sell.

I’d be willing to test this steel out in a working environment for anyone out there lol.
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It’s the gold standard for a stainless steel blade with super thin edges. Imo it’s real value is the outstanding edge stability it offers at the upper end of its attainable hardness (64-65 hrc).

It’s not the most “stainless” stainless steel, nor is it the most wear resistant stainless steel. It can get a bit gnarly to sharpen without diamond abrasives at higher hardness too. If you enjoy steels like cruwear, 4v and m4, it has similar properties to those while being nearly as stainless as LC200N.

You could of course use it as a drop in replacement for the S30V used in knives commonly today, but imo it really shines when you run it really thin, hard and with low edge angles.
 
91bravo said:
Bark River sucks and the owner acts like an ass. There, I said it.
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I like my gunny hunter lt in 3v but the grind is definitely uneven lmao.

I won't be buying any more brk knives after that shotty bushcrafter and bravo 1.
 
shane45-1911 said:
It is not about the knives, as much as it is the actions of the owner.

Who we choose to support in this hobby is just as important as the knives. Perhaps more.
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Yet Im sure we all have bought hundreds of dollars of electronics made from slave labor or batteries slave mined for their cobalt. I know that knives specifically have a more personal connection in the purchase though, I mean I won't buy a hinderer because of the transparent knives event. I can see how I can be hypocritical in other ways, such as my phone purchase being an Apple, or whatnot. At the end of the day though, Bark River's knives preform and do the job right from what Ive seen from a lot of users, including myself. If you don't want your money going towards Mike, just buy second hand. The knives themselves are still made well.
 
Slice O Life said:
That's exactly what Spyderco did, they got to the bottom and offered to take care of it. That is what Bark River does, but when Mike just denies mistakes it doesn't help. Every company makes mistakes. I imagine Hinderer is going to have a stain on his record for awhile due to the Transparent Knives lawsuit. Same thing for Strider and the whole fake valor debacle. Somethings are just going to ruin reputations.
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I'll never not remind the world about what a pos mick strider is. I wouldn't take a custom from him if it was free...well maybe I would but only so I could toss it in a lake.
 
Srtr said:
I'll never not remind the world about what a pos mick strider is. I wouldn't take a custom from him if it was free...well maybe I would but only so I could toss it in a lake.
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Well, if that happens still take it and sell it. Could probably buy a couple Sebenzas with it!
 
Slice O Life said:
Yet Im sure we all have bought hundreds of dollars of electronics made from slave labor or batteries slave mined for their cobalt. I know that knives specifically have a more personal connection in the purchase though, I mean I won't buy a hinderer because of the transparent knives event. I can see how I can be hypocritical in other ways, such as my phone purchase being an Apple, or whatnot. At the end of the day though, Bark River's knives preform and do the job right from what Ive seen from a lot of users, including myself. If you don't want your money going towards Mike, just buy second hand. The knives themselves are still made well.
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This is a huge logical disconnect, given that you're here defending a scumbag like Mike Stewart. 🤔
 
All I’ll say about bark river knives is that I’ve consistently found their heat treat wanting compared to say Spyderco. They run their 3v too soft, and then create convex grinds that are super thick behind the edge because their heat treat makes the edge require a ton of material behind it.

And sharpening their 3v wasn’t all that pleasant either… it was super easy to remove material while sharpening, but deburring was so annoying. Lost count of the number of times I had to keep flipping the burr back and forth before it actually deburred proper.
 
Slice O Life said:
The knives themselves are still made well.
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We'll agree to disagree. I am not aware of one other maker that has such a reputation for disproportionate catastrophic failures and other "warranty" issues.

And frankly, I don't care how well the knives are made if the owner is a scumbag. I'm so tired of the "he's done nothing to me" defense.

Some of you people would have bought knives from Hitler if he was a bladesmith. :rolleyes:
 
91bravo said:
There’s a reason for that. I’m not gonna do the homework for you, but the information is out there and on this forum. I think craytab craytab has some educational links?
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Slice O Life said:
The knives themselves are still made well.
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If you get the steel they advertise and the edge isn't burnt to shit and if MS doesn't just say you are wrong when you try to file a warranty claim. Here's an example: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/bark-river-again.1463481/
 
91bravo said:
Has anyone put this steel to actual work yet? Edge retention? Chipability? I’m curious to try it out in my work environment, but can’t find a model that I like with it. I’m looking for a large CRK in Magnacut if anyone has one to sell.

I’d be willing to test this steel out in a working environment for anyone out there lol.
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If you want to test one of mine that we modeled after an Al Mar SERE folder, let me know. David Mary made it, Jarodd Todd did the Heat treatment. It's a little softer than it should have been for this knife at around 61 (forgot exactly what it tested at) but we were new to the steel and didn't know what to expect, given how the SERE tribute was intended to be used.

PM me if you want me to throw it in the mail this week for you. I have another box to drop off by the weekend and I'll bring them together.

It's not my only magnacut knife but probably the most beat up since it was intended as part test piece and part "one knife kit" option for a BOB.

I think it's mostly everything it was advertized as, once you account for a little sales fluff to promote it's release (a necessary thing, IMO).
 
bikerector said:
If you want to test one of mine that we modeled after an Al Mar SERE folder, let me know. David Mary made it, Jarodd Todd did the Heat treatment. It's a little softer than it should have been for this knife at around 61 (forgot exactly what it tested at) but we were new to the steel and didn't know what to expect, given how the SERE tribute was intended to be used.

PM me if you want me to throw it in the mail this week for you. I have another box to drop off by the weekend and I'll bring them together.

It's not my only magnacut knife but probably the most beat up since it was intended as part test piece and part "one knife kit" option for a BOB.

I think it's mostly everything it was advertized as, once you account for a little sales fluff to promote it's release (a necessary thing, IMO).
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Thanks!
 
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