Why no basic sheath?

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Leaky Waders

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Hi,

I just returned from my 3rd 8 month deployment for oif/oef, and carried my Randall #1.

Why? Because it came with a basic sheath. I didn't have to order a seperate sheath with wait time, or send my knife away to be measured prior to deployment - it actually came with a basic functional sheath.

I have two busse's - one a satin jack that I carried a little in Iraq a few years ago (it came with a horrible sheath) and a new one (I don't even know the name) that arrived immediatley before this most recent deployment sheathless (as expected).

I posted on these boards and generated some interest concerning a sheath prior to deployment but nothing ever followed through...so it sits in a drawer somewhere (I'll have to ask my wife about it when she gets back from Christmas shopping).

Anyways...I'm just suggesting, that Busse Knives offer some simple ready made sheaths - ones modelled after those carrying one piece models made by Randall, or Chris Reaves, or Case or Marble knives - simple rugged leather sheaths without ninja-accessories then your knives are more likely to be carried throughout the theaters.

It could be an option - like when you place and order people could ask - "Do you want the knife to come with the basic no frills military sheath for 50 dollars or whatever?"

Anyways, just my two dinars worth.

L.W.
 
Busse isn't a simple or basic knife. They demand the best. You can even order a production Busse faster then a Randall. So you might as well order a sheath from a custom maker also. Right now Busse has some sheaths for some of the knives they are selling like the mashedcat ones.
As for your Randall, well, if you ordered one of those, I believe the wait is over 5 years right? Well, you can custom order any Busse knife and sheath by your favorite maker and get them both in less time. Some like leather and some like kydex, and everyone is very picky so you can get whatever you want, there are many makers out there...
 
What i've read in the past it could be for several reasons.

Your shipment is at the mercy of the sheath maker if you're outsourcing. Knives are ready but sheaths aren't? The customer waits on his knife for a sheath. I can't speak to the volume of sales Busse has, but I'd imagine it's not quite big enough to warrant a major factory making quality sheaths compared to a large production company like spyderco or benchmade. That leaves you with smaller sheath manufacturers that we buy from now, and I doubt any one maker could keep up with the order volume. It doesn't seem logical to ship knives with with sheaths made from a variety of companies.

The second reason I could think is that not everyone likes kydex, not everyone likes leather and not everyone likes canvas. If these knives were shipped with a sheath, I'm sure the price would reflect it. That means you're paying for a sheath you don't even like, when you could just order your own custom.

Personally? I'd like to see Busse send out a trainer knife of sorts to the different sheath makers so they could have an offering ready when the knife is released. Either way, I have no problem with how the system currently works.
 
leaky waders, i understand what you are saying man, and sometimes i feel the same, but it does give sheath makers a chance at marketing/selling and you will get a better sheath, by ordering semi-custom on the sheath.

they are some awesome sheaths out there, check buybrown--kydex and chuddy bear leather, lots of other quality sheaths on here, and they all (the makers) get along well and some of them are very close friends in the same business.

if busse provided the sheath it would also extend the time in which you get a knife, upon ordering, all of the above my .02

thanks for your service, hope that you and your family have a very nice christmas!!
 
I like the system as is, that way I can pick and choose what sheath I want instead of settling for some POS crap like most others provide.
 
I tend to agree with the OPs sentiment, but you won't find much empathy here. There are always reasons given why and why not things are done this way and that here, but it all leads to "If you want it different, make it happen yourself."
If it helps at all, the kydex folks seem to be the quickest to turn around on new models.
 
mymindisamob said:
I tend to agree with the OPs sentiment, but you won't find much empathy here. There are always reasons given why and why not things are done this way and that here, but it all leads to "If you want it different, make it happen yourself."
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I seem to recall experiencing this sentiment a time or two myself ;)



You are all forgetting one of the biggest reasons Busse doesn't include sheaths....


Because many of the folks who buy them immediately put them into a safe, never to be touched again unless they are pulled out to take some pictures or sell :eek: :p Collectors don't need sheaths ;)
 
Randall has a special program for military people deploying...an expedited knife/sheath in a few basic models. There's no 5 year wait.
 
MM, like I wrote, there are always reasons. I am more concerned about when we have someone serving and heading out of country or similar circumstances. I do have to say that the makers here like Armoralleather, Chuddy Bear, Steelnut, Mashed Cat, Buy Brown and many, many more will rush to accomodate those folks. It would just be nice to see something readily available for those who need it.

But this has been discussed many times before.
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In all fairness, it's pretty easy to find a generic cordura sheath, like the spec ops line, to fit most Busse's. Even though I like to poke a bit of fun, I don't think it's that big of a deal that they don't include sheaths.


Although throwing a cheap cordura number in the box with them wouldn't hurt, just to have SOMETHING more than the cardboard until you can obtain a real sheath.
 
MustardMan said:
In all fairness, it's pretty easy to find a generic cordura sheath, like the spec ops line, to fit most Busse's. Even though I like to poke a bit of fun, I don't think it's that big of a deal that they don't include sheaths.


Although throwing a cheap cordura number in the box with them wouldn't hurt, just to have SOMETHING more than the cardboard until you can obtain a real sheath.
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True. I have used more Spec Ops Survival Sheaths than any other.
 
MustardMan said:
In all fairness, it's pretty easy to find a generic cordura sheath, like the spec ops line, to fit most Busse's. Even though I like to poke a bit of fun, I don't think it's that big of a deal that they don't include sheaths.


Although throwing a cheap cordura number in the box with them wouldn't hurt, just to have SOMETHING more than the cardboard until you can obtain a real sheath.
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mymindisamob said:
True. I have used more Spec Ops Survival Sheaths than any other.
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The only problem is that Spec Ops Sheaths are not that cheap ($45-50).

I'd love to see something along the lines of Cold Steel GI Tanto Cordura sheath. For $20 you get a sheath and a knife. Even if you divide equally, $10 for a 7" usable sheath is pretty good. There is no need to bundle sheath and knife together, but $10 option for a temporary usable sheath would be very convenient.
 
I'll have to work on getting Busse to send me the knives of my dreams early for fondling and sheaths.:D

I will say this, If you ordered from me this week, its in the mail as of yesterday!:cool: Seriously BWM sheaths away!!
 
I don't see any advantage to the consumer for Busse not to offer a basic sheath option with each flavor of knife. I would certainly like that option.

I recently ordered a kydex sheath from a sheath maker for a Muddy AD, and when I got it the knife would not fit because there are at least 3 or 4 blade thickness on the AD.
 
Hey Bro,
Not sure what you do in the Military, but if you are like me when you are outside the wire you are packed down like a mule and everything on your kit has its place. I have found that a custom Kydex or the Spec-Ops sheaths work best for me. I would rather get what I want or have it built for my needs instead of getting what the maker thinks is best for the overall buyer. I can tell you now that you will not get the kind of product, warranty or support from anyone else out there than that of BUSSE COMBAT not to mention the overall support and friendship you get from these guys on the Busse forum and that comes for free. I can attest to that.
HOOAH!;)
 
powernoodle said:
I recently ordered a kydex sheath from a sheath maker for a Muddy AD, and when I got it the knife would not fit because there are at least 3 or 4 blade thickness on the AD.
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And therein may be precisely the reason Busse doesn't sell sheaths. Doing so would limit their builder's tolerances.

I had a similar experience with a RatManDu. I purchased a sheath and it rubbed on the blade horribly . . . enough to remove some of the coating, not just smooth it. I eventually had to send the sheath back. When I returned it, the sheathmaker tried it with his RatManDu and he said it held the blade snugly, but it didn't leave rub marks or smooth the coating. I know the sheathmaker well enough to know that he's telling me the truth. And, of course, the RMD's only had one blade thickness . . . 3/16".
 
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Leaky Waders said:
Randall has a special program for military people deploying...an expedited knife/sheath in a few basic models. There's no 5 year wait.
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Wow, that's cool and something I didn't know. Well, I'm still not one of those people...
But if they came with a sheath, then the price would go up, and some people here don't like that. Then there are people that say you shouldn't store knives in leather for long term storage, and I don't like the kydex sometimes because it may scratch the satin... so the cardboard is cheap and simple... to me, it's good. I have ordered some custom sheaths, they were not cheap but worth the money. I guess for a basic sheath, some Busse will fit in the Spec Ops sheath..
Dan
 
As an aside, Swamp Rat and Scrapyard website generally have a small selection of sheaths on hand. The ones on the Scrapyard site are fairly inexpensive and some are not knife specific. That may be an option.
 
I actually thought about snagging one of the dogfather 10" sheaths - it seems like they would work well enough for the BWBM.
 
The 6" nylon version was almost large enough for the NMSFNO.
 
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