Why no damascus in the current lineup?

I will commit to buying any of the suggestions given so far as long as it's not a lockback. I might still buy the knife if its a lockback, but I can guarantee a purchase if its a framelock, bbl, compression lock or liner lock.

I do have an idea though that I'm not sure has been done before...I keep a good eye on the custom world, but you can't see everything at once, so maybe I'm wrong.

Imagine a Persian with a CF scale, a damascus blade, and a mokume framelock. Maybe in a pattern like this
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Actually, I wouldn't mind if it was just a straight up mokume framelock with no scales at all.


Or the schempp kris...that would look so exotic.

I find it interesting that people calling for something exotic always seem to want the exact opposite of what I would want. Framelock? Keep it. Even if the Damascus is ZDP-189 and S110V mosaic with spyder pattern, the RIL would kill the deal for me. Lockback I might consider. What are the odds of the performance alone justifying the extra expense? I'd say pretty close to nil, but that's just me.

Why not commission what you want (aside from the Spyderco name) from a custom maker?
 
I will commit to buying any of the suggestions given so far as long as it's not a lockback. I might still buy the knife if its a lockback, but I can guarantee a purchase if its a framelock, bbl, compression lock or liner lock.

I do have an idea though that I'm not sure has been done before...I keep a good eye on the custom world, but you can't see everything at once, so maybe I'm wrong.

Imagine a Persian with a CF scale, a damascus blade, and a mokume framelock.

Actually, I wouldn't mind if it was just a straight up mokume framelock with no scales at all.


Or the schempp kris...that would look so exotic.
I see it "a bit" differently.

Mokume can be pretty. Damascus can be pretty. Combined they're overkill. I want something elegant, but not gaudy.

Lock type is extremely important to me. I already own one very nice damascus bladed left hand liner lock which I do carry and use occasionally. I neither need nor desire another, and suspect that, even if I did, the chances of Spyderco producing a left handed one are less than those of my being struck by lightning. The same would go for the chances of a left handed framelock, and besides, putting a damascus blade on a framelock is like painting a bulldozer candy apple red. For me to even consider purchasing it, the knife would have to be a front/mid lock, with a 50/50 choil and without a Boye dent. Blade shape would have to be something I'd want to carry. That rules out hawkbill, reverse S, recurve, sheepfoot, and "novelty" shapes like the Kris.

I would want a bolster and scales handle, preferably with natural material scales, ideally either wood or ivory. If not, then something cheap and easy to replace, like Micarta. I would want the handle unmarred by the holes needed to mount a clip, or by any visible screw heads. I would strongly prefer a full flat grind.

As for the damascus itself, pattern is extremely important to me. Odin's Eye Damasteel is my favorite, but there are other Damasteel patterns I'd consider as well as some patterns by Devin Thomas, Ed Schempp, and others. There are also patterns by all the above that I would not consider.

As I said, chances of a production knife satisfying my desires are pretty darn slim. Which is not to say Spyderco should not make one. Judging by the number of other companies that offer one or more, damascus appears to be fairly popular these days.

There is also the question of where to make the knife. The Japanese turn out some excellent knives, but their damascus varies from moderately unattractive to butt ugly and they tend to develop a sudden loss of IQ when faced with the prospect of using "foreign" steel. Golden built knives impress me as sturdy and well built, but the finish on those I own would be disappointing on a more refined knife. The folks in Taiwan seem to be doing a good job in the fit and finish department and, unlike the Japanese, are very open to the idea of working with steel produced elsewhere. Only downside, if you can call it one, would be having to put up with with the same political trolls that pop up in every discussion of the Sage.

Paul
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Why not commission what you want (aside from the Spyderco name) from a custom maker?
Did that already with the LH liner lock I mentioned, an A. T. Barr One-Eyed Jack in Devin Thomas raindrop stainless damascus and pre-ban ivory.

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It's also pretty much the route I've decided to take again in the near future. Not a full custom this time, but a heavily customized version of a Spyderco.

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I can see I underestimated what you meant by picky. (Joking)

I have a little different theory about the knives I buy. There are lists of preferences, some of which are must haves, some I like but aren't important, and so on.

I think we differ in the fact that I do not go out looking for a knife to perfectly or near perfectly match my preferences. I actually prefer to encounter things I'm not totally sure about (not more than a couple a time, it should be said).

I might not be totally convinced I like some kind of lock X, maybe the anodized aluminum here or there isn't the color I would have chosen, maybe I'd remove those three little holes on Viele knives.

But because no knives match my preferences perfectly, I'm forced to try new things and learn about my preferences. Buying other people's designs helps me refine my tastes.

But to the specifics of some of what you write. I see your point about mokume + damascus being potentially overkill. But perhaps we could minimize the mokume use--just the bolster or spacer, for instance. At any rate, it's not important to me, it's just an idea.

As per your left hand requirements, I can see your complaint on the frame lock. I really only suggested the framelock because I thought it'd be relatively easily to integrate into a pre-existing folder than a BBL would be. I'm not a huge fan of framelocks myself. I'm really only against lockbacks.

That said, I'm not abnormally ambidextrous and I don't have any trouble at all closing my liner/framelocks with my left hand (I'm right handed). If I had to say, closing right handed frame locks with my left hand is just ever so slightly easier than with my right hand. This could be different if the lock wasn't that high quality and it required a ton of pressure to close, but on all the Spyderco liner locks I've used, as well as Benchmade's, they require so little pressure that it makes no difference to me. I can say honestly, then, that it would not bother me at all to buy a "left handed" framelock, so if everyone agrees that left-handed is the way to go, I'm still in.

I'm pretty flexible.
 
I'm not interested in damascus because I don't like how busy it looks. I like clean looking knives. It's a lose, lose for me. Pay more for something that looks worse.
 
I love a good random pattern matched up with a good burl or other wood with great figure. Mule team in Damasteel or carbon???? Hmmmm... good thing I like suspense and have great patience.
 
The Damasteel is supposed to be pretty good performing steel. If it wasn't so darn expensive I would have a knife made out of it by now.

I don't know anything about Ed's steel but suspect it's designed with performance in mind, not just looks. IIRC, Devin Thomas has different steels, as well as different patterns of his stainless damascus. Some of them are pretty different looking.

I guess if Spyderco does another Damascus project it should be a nice one. The last one was pretty amazing, so there's a lot to live up to.

For me, Carbon or stainless, doesn't matter. I'd go with the herd on that. Joe
 
Hey Ed,

Let's discuss that damascus project that you wrote to me about. Sounds like this would be a good opportunity. I have one of his first "flag" tiles, a cherished piece.

You guys up to making a batch?

sal
 
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