Why only PayPal Friends and Family?

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Hey Andrew, to answer your question it’s best to do business via G&S as I recently got scammed from one of your posts here you posted a 229 for sale. Before you marked the page “sold” someone emailed me which I am assuming was not you requesting payment. I have been apart of this community for a few years and always trusted gold members from this community. It looks like a scammer was able to find my email on my profile (I am not sure how) and told me they were selling the knife to me, which I believed because once I refreshed your page I saw that you posted it sold so I assumed I snagged it. I am not requesting any sympathy since this is the first time this has happened in several years of buying/selling/trading. I guess I won’t be sending any funds via FF anymore unless I have done business with the seller. Anyways shit happens both ways, hopefully we as a community can figure out a better way to sell/trade/buy.

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I appreciate you for looking into that.

Will “locking” thread erase the posts or what’s the best way to remove them?

If this isn’t the right place to ask disregard.
 
Tonebone1129 said:
I appreciate you for looking into that.

Will “locking” thread erase the posts or what’s the best way to remove them?

If this isn’t the right place to ask disregard.
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Not 100% sure, but I think you should be able to edit the posts and just delete it.
 
Tonebone1129 said:
I appreciate you for looking into that.

Will “locking” thread erase the posts or what’s the best way to remove them?

If this isn’t the right place to ask disregard.
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Locking doesn't remove posts. I'd suggest doing a search for your email, and deleting it everywhere you find it. If it's in a locked thread, report it and ask a mod to delete it.
 
I've only been here a short while and I think this is an awesome forum. I wouldn't trust paying with friends and family, even if they were friends and family.
 
Am I alone in feeling it a little unseemly for a knifemaker to ask to be paid PayPal F&F?
 
I don't use F&F to buy or to sell. Frankly, I'm surprised that so many knives sell under the F&F requirement. Especially considering the warnings at the top of every page. I'm also surprised that Paypal hasn't shut down the F&F option due to abuse.

I can only imagine all the money that they've lost from sellers who used to use G&S and now use F&F. That has to be a huge loss for Paypal considering that it's happening everywhere, not just on knife exchanges.
 
bwlacey said:
Am I alone in feeling it a little unseemly for a knifemaker to ask to be paid PayPal F&F?
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I would avoid that maker. I’ve dealt with several custom makers and never once had them ask me for f&f. They always insist on sending an invoice or that I pay with g&s.
 
I've paid for my forum knives with F&F.

But for a rando with 3 prior posts and any knife for sale it's a hard pass.
 
Andrew Echols said:
Hey Everyone,

I am wondering why people who sell on here mostly do the Friends and Family way of paying on PayPal. I have someone who wants to buy a knife I am selling and wants to do the Goods and Service payment and pay for the extra charge for it. Is it possible I could get scammed trough the ability to refund with the Goods and Service method? or do people only do the Friends and Family service to avoid the extra charge that comes with the Goods and Services payment method?
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We've been thru this about a million times. Check out the search function for the history.

The tl;dr is people are worried about tax reporting and would prefer not to pay PP for their service. The reporting has been put on hold and, once it's on-track again, this amounts to hitting one of the personal sale exemptions on the relevant tax form.

IMHO, I don't really care about the tax reporting since it's ridiculously simple to use an exemption. I think for the most part people feel that a little bit of fraud is A-OK by them. Funny enough, these are the people that are on here crying about getting defrauded because they agreed to use PPFF.
 
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JTR357 said:
I can understand why some people use it when they have like 10 or 20K worth of knives listed. That's going to get the IRS's attention. Thing is they ALREADY paid taxes on those knives but they would have to prove to the tax man that they aren't making a profit & if they are they have to pay taxes on that profit. Just gotta be careful cause PPFF is a scammer's choice of payment. Look at their feedback.
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Its not that hard to "prove" especially in the modern digital world.
 
ooitzoo said:
Its not that hard to "prove" especially in the modern digital world.
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Heh, yeah, right up until you attempt to prove value by taking the highest listed value of a past sale to use, and the IRS decides they would only honor the lowest value they could find so they could then prove you made a profit. :rolleyes:

Anyway, another dead horse thread with the usual suspects making sure to show their virtue, so I'm out on this one.
 
Interesting how few people failed to note that the overwhelming reason is because some people think it’s somehow ok to commit fraud against a big corporation like PayPal but it’s horrible to do it to an individual. These people think it’s perfectly all right to use a companies services without paying for them. The cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics that ensue from acting on those beliefs and justifying the actions are staggering.
 
Quiet said:
Heh, yeah, right up until you attempt to prove value by taking the highest listed value of a past sale to use, and the IRS decides they would only honor the lowest value they could find so they could then prove you made a profit. :rolleyes:

Anyway, another dead horse thread with the usual suspects making sure to show their virtue, so I'm out on this one.
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Yes, of course the IRS is sitting around just waiting to "prove" you made a $20 profit on that Spyderco 🤡 . They obviously don't have anything more important to deal with.

The simple truth is you can either show a purchase receipt or a comparable sale. Both are pretty easy.

If you're willing to accept or be party to a little fraud then you're likely either going to be party to a larger fraud or the victim of it.

Pretty much this:
JohnWE said:
Interesting how few people failed to note that the overwhelming reason is because some people think it’s somehow ok to commit fraud against a big corporation like PayPal but it’s horrible to do it to an individual. These people think it’s perfectly all right to use a companies services without paying for them. The cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics that ensue from acting on those beliefs and justifying the actions are staggering.
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With all of that said, this is just another rehash of a tired topic that's getting rote.
 
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