Why Relentless knife for survival

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Dear Guys,
I am new on the forum. I was wandering if anybody ever had the chance to have one of the relentless knife on their hand. The third pic (M9 Fighter) was made by Dan for me, exactly the way I wanted. I was wandeing why his MAP knives (6 inches in length, 1st pic) ever became official knife for our guys on armed forces. Excellent design and very practical. Very nice grind. Even though the grind makes the knife look weak (like a dagger) but it's not. Plus the serration, the way it's done, does not make the knife brittle (unlike the ones on rambo alike). M9 (7.5 inches in blade length) actually can function as a CQB knife, survival knife, combat/tactical/hunting.

Let me know what you guys think as I think Relentless knife should be an ideal blade design for survival and tactical situation.
Thanks,
Ziyad
 

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I've never seen these knives before and I'm not familiar with who made them. Very few knives are official US military issue, although many are authorized for unit purchase.
 
There are many knives in the same category which would work just as well. The military tends to consider bayonets and multitools as all of the knives worth issuing. For other knives the standard goes towards simpler and cheaper. There are several features of these knives which I find questionable. The first thing is lots of needless squared-off contours. The handle should be more curved for ease on the hand. The guard should be more rounded to reduce injury when you land on the knife. The squared shoulder on the spine between the serrated blade section and the smooth false edge serves no purpose and would tend to snag on things. The little choil (indent in the blade) at the base of the edge is a liability on this type of knife and should go.

All things considered this would not be high on my list for a survival/combat knife. You need fewer frills, greater simplicity, and better ergonomics--plus you need something that sells for maybe 50 bucks.
 
They look ok, but I don't care for hollow grinds. The handles seem blocky as well, but hard to say how it will feel in hand from a picture.
 
The designs look like they're geared toward marketing to "tactical" folks rather than for overall utility and performance. A few of the knives seem priced slightly above comparable knives, but most of their knives appear to be significantly overpriced compared to what else is out in the market. They charge a ridiculous premium for the S30V option and it seems even more ridiculous when they charge so much more for the large blades in S30V. S30V is arguably not a great steel choice for larger blades. The quality of the knives seems to be fine. They look over hyped and over priced.

BTW tiger_blade, I hope it doesn't seem like we're being harsh for no reason. If you stick around and get familiar with the other brands that Relentless competes with, you'll find out why you're getting these responses to the knives. There are literally lower priced, more effective designs and better overall knives than these. Welcome to the forums:)
 
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The designs look like they're geared toward marketing to "tactical" folks rather than for overall utility and performance. A few of the knives seem priced slightly above comparable knives, but most of their knives appear to be significantly overpriced compared to what else is out in the market. They charge a ridiculous premium for the S30V option and it seems even more ridiculous when they charge so much more for the large blades in S30V. S30V is arguably not a great steel choice for larger blades. The quality of the knives seems to be fine. They look over hyped and over priced.

BTW tiger_blade, I hope it doesn't seem like we're being harsh for no reason. If you stick around and get familiar with the other brands that Relentless competes with, you'll find out why you're getting these responses to the knives. There are literally lower priced, more effective designs and better overall knives than these. Welcome to the forums:)

I agree with all of this, the last part especially.:thumbup:

Welcome to Bladeforums tiger-blade.
 
I like some of the simpler designs in the catalogue, though some are just too wild for my taste.

I don't think the prices are that bad for hand made knives, $100-400 for the basic carbon/tool steel ones - especially if the quality is as high as the pictures suggest. Apparently tiger_blade got good service, too. All I can say is I wish all the best for Dan Certo and his enterprise.
 
I like some of the simpler designs in the catalogue, though some are just too wild for my taste.

I don't think the prices are that bad for hand made knives, $100-400 for the basic carbon/tool steel ones - especially if the quality is as high as the pictures suggest. Apparently tiger_blade got good service, too. All I can say is I wish all the best for Dan Certo and his enterprise.

When I think about it like that, production knives made fully by hand, the prices aren't too high up there. The premium for S30V still seems pretty ridiculous to me, especially on the larger knives. Many of the designs themselves don't just look "wild", but they look like they're sacrificing performance for aesthetics.
 
nothing wrong with this knife design for survival or bushcraft. Is the knife sharp? yes. Is it a hard use knife? yes.

its not the knife but the USER of the knife who makes it work for themselves in a "survival" or bushcraft situ.

if i can use a sharpened butter knife to make wood shavings, kindling, and dress out a salmon, anyone can use a "tactical" design for woods use.

nuff said.
 
nothing wrong with this knife design for survival or bushcraft. Is the knife sharp? yes. Is it a hard use knife? yes.

its not the knife but the USER of the knife who makes it work for themselves in a "survival" or bushcraft situ.

if i can use a sharpened butter knife to make wood shavings, kindling, and dress out a salmon, anyone can use a "tactical" design for woods use.

nuff said.

Would you pay $100 for that sharpened butter knife when you can get them for significantly less? Or would you choose it over another knife that has a better design and materials that cost the same?
 
May I ask why you choose a Hollow grind? A flat grind would aid in strength and imo would not diminish cutting ability. And if you are going for an overbuilt knife wouldnt a thinner hollow grind go against that mindset?

I can understand why you choose S30V to a point. As it is stainless and more rust resistant than carbon steels. But with prying, batoning and other lateral/vertical stresses wouldnt a tool steel be more ideal? S30V has a rep for chipping out and being a bit too brittle in larger knife applications. I have seen this myself as have many others.

I have never handled or tested one of your knives. You were kind enough to post so I am simply curious as to why you chose S30V in a hard use knife. Your HT may make a difference from the knives I have used in S30V as most of us know the HT on any knife is what makes or breaks it so to speak.
 
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great comments guys just ordered the M3 medic looking forward to receiving it and will share my thoughts
 
The Relentless knives are made for a specific purpose. They perform very well for their intended use. Most seem to be concerned about their performance as a bushcraft, or daily use tool. Wrong and wrong. Many of the blades boast a .25 spine, full tang, and abrupt edges. Slicing? Nope. Food prep? Nope. Quartering prey? Nope. Carving out a chess piece on a quiet afternoon? Nope.

As a very satisfied customer, that pestered Daniel Cierto with questions for months before I placed an order, it is tough to hear these knives described as over priced and superficial. We are not talking about a Glock 17 here, we're talking about a 12 gauge.

I worked out a deal with Daniel for two, almost identical, knives. The model was the M2 Talon. It is a pleasure to be able to deal directly with the man making your knives. He put a lot of thought into my needs, and his recommendations lead me to a selection that fit those needs perfectly, and happened to be one of his lower priced models. (There are a lot more, lower priced knives on the site now)

I decided on a standard Talon in S30V as a brutal, last resort self defense tool that I keep next to my bed. I traced my hand, and sent a scan with measurements to Daniel when I placed my order. The resulting knife, and blocky handle, fit my hand so well that it is hard to describe. He had a lanyard attached that was tied to an exact length that allowed me to secure a vise-like grip on this uncompromising chunk of steel. In the dark, in a panic, a grip like that can mean the world. I don't care if I was working on a butter sculpture before I grabbed the knife, I am not going to loose my grip. And that heavy chunk of metal is not going to be easy to stop once I decide to make a move. That is it's only use, and I guarantee it will be very effective. It is a thrust weapon. Plain and simple.

The other knife was made in 5160 without a handle. Just extra cord wrapped around and an extra hole drilled at the base of the blade for tying options. The handle of this knife was taller to compensate for no micarta and also fits my hand perfectly. The purpose of this knife is a backcountry trekking companion. I do not believe that one knife can be well designed for multiple uses, and I get annoyed by designers who say they can pull it off. My Talon is used for camp prep, or as a possible escape tool if some climbing or prying was ever necessary. In a pinch, it could be used as a spearhead. In general, I use the knife for the kinds of jobs you would hate to use a knife for. Digging trenches, chopping smaller branches for firewood, splitting larger ones with a rock. I have also hammered it into a tree and used it as a foothold so I could retrieve a stubborn bear-bag.

With a blade width of 2", a .25" spine and a relatively short 7" overall length, this chunk of tool steel is a very trustworthy companion that gets used without mercy. I have a high-quality, ultra-lightweight folder that performs all other knife tasks. It would be annoying to use the Talon for those tasks, it would be impossible to use the other knife to do the Talon's job.

Sorry for the long post. I feel like I know Mr. Cierto, and take harsh criticism of his work personally. Poor guy had to send me about 12 emails, some quite long, before I was ready to place an order. It was obvious from the context that he was just happy to talk about his craft, and would have wished me well if I had decided to not order.

In today's mass-produced world, I don't mind paying a little extra for original designs and a created-to-order product. I actually took some pride in doing so.

Feel free to list some alternative solutions to my two specific needs. I truly believe that the Relentless blades do their jobs very well.

Note: before the Talon, I used an Ontario SP8 Machete as my hard-use backcountry tool. It worked very well, especially since it's length allowed me to sharpen the blade differently at its base and near the end for different jobs. Just too bulky and heavy.
 
I have owned several of Dans knives and currently have a custom he made for me. One of the best makers I ever worked with and his knives are tough as hell.
 
Very cool looking knives, but most would not want to pay for the time spent to achieve that look. Most knife makers, on a $/hr. basis, are not paid all that well.

A quarter inch of steel better be tough as hell. That's the thickness of wrecking bars.

There is no logical disputing in matters of taste.

Different ideas of what you do with a knife in a "survival" situation produces different knives. For me, I can't imagine a large, double guard on a knife optimized for routine survival tasks. Just gets in the way. Weapon? Battlefield survival? More so, but the Mark II and Q225 had significantly smaller guards, as did the F-S dagger.
 
. . . a guy named Master Sgt.Brian Carlson.
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..another professional soldier and war vet who was put in charge of all basic and advanced training for the Army, answering directly to a General at a FT. in S Carolina. led me to making military style knives with the same insides as my Bounty Hunter."

Brian Carlson was Command Sgt. Major (not Master Sgt.) at Ft. Drum. That made him the top noncom at that base, home of the 10th Mtn. Div. He was also Command Sgt. Mjr. at Ft. Jackson, S.C. , a training center for the Army. That made him top post noncom. I doubt that he was in charge of all basic and advanced training for the Army. I think you will find that made him an very important adviser to the officer in charge of training at Ft. Jackson. Or at least the General thought he was in charge.
 
Well I am totally new in knifes , and I just found that Relentless website today, and for a newbie, they are pretty impressive. I don't know anything about blade materials , and thank you guys to pointed that out. Also I don't want to pay the "overpriced" $$ for it, and you guys mentioned we can find a better quality , same category knife for less money. Would you help me out and please name couple of those brand?
 
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