Why so cautious around non-knife people

My attitude has nothing to do with freedoms. Nobody makes cigarettes illegal due to the attitudes of smokers.

It is Illegal to smoke in public places in my state. I wouldn't be surprised if they make cigarettes illegal in 10 years or so. Just see how things have changed from 50-60s to now regarding smoking weed.

What I carry is what I carry.

My employee has no issues. I haven't hurt anybody and don't plan to. Please show me where something has become illegal due to the fact that someone merely owns an object.

Just a question. How tall are you?

You can carry whatever you want. Flash it where ever you can, because it is Legal. If you don't care how it affects public opinion, it is a problem. You don't consider it your problem, but when law changes, because of public opinion, you will be affected by it too. All I'm saying is that people need to respect others as well, or at least do their best. You want a democracy, here it is. See how many people are "carrying" and how many are not. Do you like those odds?
 
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In a professional environment, if you want to have a career, always remember that perception = reality. Meaning, hoe people perceive you is for them the reality of who you are.
With this in mind, it's logical if you work in an office environment and you want to have a career, don't bring a tactical folder in for opening those occasional envelopes and boxes.
In my case, this is why my innocent victorinox alox soldier is my most carried edc during working days. And in fact it IS sufficient for office edc.
 
It is Illegal to smoke in public places in my state. I wouldn't be surprised if they make cigarettes illegal in 10 years or so. Just see how things have changed from 50-60s to now regarding smoking weed.



You can carry whatever you want. Flash it where ever you can, because it is Legal. If you don't care how it affects public opinion, it is a problem. You don't consider it your problem, but when law changes, because of public opinion, you will be affected by it too. All I'm saying is that people need to respect others as well, or at least do their best. You want a democracy, here it is. See how many people are "carrying" and how many are not. Do you like those odds?

Wisdom in the second paragraph. If you go back 60 yrs. a kid WITHOUT a pocket knife would have been scoffed at on the play ground. I recall having a pocket knife back in the 70's in elementary school. If found by faculty, it would have been taken away til the end of the day, then given back and told not to bring it to school. We were not dumb enough (even then :p) to flash it around the teachers.

Today is a new ball of wax.
 
It is Illegal to smoke in public places in my state. I wouldn't be surprised if they make cigarettes illegal in 10 years or so. Just see how things have changed from 50-60s to now regarding smoking weed.



You can carry whatever you want. Flash it where ever you can, because it is Legal. If you don't care how it affects public opinion, it is a problem. You don't consider it your problem, but when law changes, because of public opinion, you will be affected by it too. All I'm saying is that people need to respect others as well, or at least do their best. You want a democracy, here it is. See how many people are "carrying" and how many are not. Do you like those odds?

Marijuana laws have nothing to do with public opinion, Contrary to popular perception.

I never said that I flash my knife around.

Everyone can see what you are doing. Using a distraction to discredit me and make me out to look crazy and irresponsible.

Using "weed" as a catalyst to say "See how wrong he is."

Stating that I don't respect others and throwing "democracy" in there. A very powerful word to many. Enough so that weak minded folks will sympathize and blindly agree with you. Because all they say to themselves is "You tell that disrespectful, weed smokin', troublemakin' leftist how democracy works."

I really hope your Neuro-linguistic programing doesn't work on people because this is sad.

Think about what I said. Don't just fire back wildly and hope to hit. If you don't agree then fine.

But don't try to paint a picture of me to be wrong to make yourself seem right.

P.S. You avoided my question as to how tall you are.
 
I have a permit to carry a firearm concealed and it allows me to carry any knife, too.
So I really could care what anyone thinks about my pistols or my knives.

I think concealed may be the key word here. Does anyone really complain over the knife they don't know you have?

Discretion is the better part of valor. I've said this before, and I'll repeat. I've lived in the big bad librul city of Los Angeles most of my life, carried and used a knife of one kind or another since childhood, and can't recall anyone ever batting an eyelash over the issue. If someone took offense, it was never expressed to me. I attribute this to simply being discreet. I find that people won't give you any grief if you pull out the right tool for a particular job.

Doing the balisong dance to clean your nails in polite company with indignance and a sense of entitlement will, at best, mark you as a mall ninja. Or worse, someone who's woefully lacking in self awareness, with something to prove, etc. Rights have nothing to do with this. It's a matter of taste and decorum. Having the good judgment to know when behaviors are appropriate. Having the sensitivity and wisdom to read one's surroundings and act accordingly.

Knife nuts can't have it both ways. We can't sneer at the "sheeple" contemptuously because they won't accommodate our knife fetishes, demand we're within our rights when we open a bag of Cheetos with that karambit, and then complain because they roll their eyes and look at us like we're a bunch of wanna-be Rambos.
 
For the OP,

the crying baby gets the milk.

People are offended and afraid of the slightest of things today (see cj65 's tagline) and their complaints can lead to reprimands, write ups, loss of money or a job or other effects on your career. Best to careful around (non-knife) people until you know surely their stances; you never really know.
 
I think concealed may be the key word here. Does anyone really complain over the knife they don't know you have?

Discretion is the better part of valor. I've said this before, and I'll repeat. I've lived in the big bad librul city of Los Angeles most of my life, carried and used a knife of one kind or another since childhood, and can't recall anyone ever batting an eyelash over the issue. If someone took offense, it was never expressed to me. I attribute this to simply being discreet. I find that people won't give you any grief if you pull out the right tool for a particular job.

Doing the balisong dance to clean your nails in polite company with indignance and a sense of entitlement will, at best, mark you as a mall ninja. Or worse, someone who's woefully lacking in self awareness, with something to prove, etc. Rights have nothing to do with this. It's a matter of taste and decorum. Having the good judgment to know when behaviors are appropriate. Having the sensitivity and wisdom to read one's surroundings and act accordingly.

Knife nuts can't have it both ways. We can't sneer at the "sheeple" contemptuously because they won't accommodate our knife fetishes, demand we're within our rights when we open a bag of Cheetos with that karambit, and then complain because they roll their eyes and look at us like we're a bunch of wanna-be Rambos.

The question is about using the knife around people, not carrying it. It can't be concealed if you are using it. No body here has said that the do "the balisong dance" when they use their tools.

Just more mindless pointing of finger folks "N....L.....P"

You carried and used since childhood. And no one batted an eye? Oh, that's right because you are the quintessential knife user and Jill Jackson is just not being discreet. Which is in the double talk of your post.

Again, someone disregarding the comment and just throwing out phrases like: Mall ninja, lack of self awareness, decorum, indignance, and Rambo.

Then using extreme cases of use to include: Cleaning fingernails with a balisong, opening cheetos with a kerambit, and anything someone who has seen a Rambo movie would think when you use it's name.

Just petty pot shots to discredit and ridicule.
 
Gentlemen, we are discussing a social issue. Let's not turn on each other by getting personal. Stay on the ideas, not on the people expressing them.
 
Wisdom in the second paragraph. If you go back 60 yrs. a kid WITHOUT a pocket knife would have been scoffed at on the play ground. I recall having a pocket knife back in the 70's in elementary school. If found by faculty, it would have been taken away til the end of the day, then given back and told not to bring it to school.

I grew up in the 1950s in NYC. The teachers knew we all carried knives. For one thing, it was easier sharpening a pencil with one than getting up to use the noisy crank sharpener at the back of the room.
 
Carrying a particular knife is one choice. Discretion is another choice. Make wise choices. I carry a pair of CRKT M16's because they're fast 'clickers'..

I don't carry my 6" Ek double edged daggers because I'd hate to give a lawyer money, or what's worse, spend a weekend entertaining Bubba in the county lock-up.

I make a point of not bothering the sheep, because they're overly fearful and generally nearsighted.
 
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this is why i always carry a smallish knife in addition to a larger folder, so i can use it around people whom i dont know how they will react. still, i get some negative reactions when clearly im using a cutting tool when a cutting tool is needed.
 
Potential laws need to be considered just as much as current ones.

Here in Canada, we are in a delicate situation with regards to knives. I can carry whatever I want, as long as it's not automatic. However, should I or anyone else abuse this, harsher laws will undoubtedly come into effect. Flash your Rajah in public, someone's going to freak out. That is the reality of society. Before throwing a big "F___ you, it's legal", consider the fact that your attitude might change its legality, and you will have ruined it for everyone.
 
The Concealed carry permit allows me to legally carry concealed a object classified as a deadly weapon concealed.(pistols, knives with any blade length and auto knives, blackjacks and even a club) Openly carried no permit is needed in my State.
If I need to use a knife in public I am not going to make a huge show out of it. But, I am not going to hide and act like I'm at breaking the law, either.
Maybe it's different in large cities, but around in my area knives and guns are common and very rarely misused. People just don't seem to be scared to death of them here.
 
I am not going to post what I really want to say, out of respect for a family friendly forum; In short though it goes like this: 'Forget' laws. Just because it is legal does not make it right, moral, or even acceptable in my book. Am I anything special, well momma might think so, but other than that; no.

What it comes down to for me, is PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, which our country (United States) is seriously lacking.

I could give you several stories of different topics that all correlate to this subject in their own respective ways. But let me try this one;

I frequently visit our local outdoor (box type) retail store, and they sell guns, bows, knives, other types of weapons, its a hunting/fishing store, and I have several friends who work there (I myself worked there). I was in there one day, and a guy I had never seen before was carrying a big knife, I asked him if I could see it, and he obliged, as I was looking it over, there was another customer standing there who my friend was helping, and when I handed the knife back to the owner, the customer that my friend was helping replied, (something to this effect) - 'boy, I am going to stay away from you, you could kill me'.

Now bear in mind this other customer, is in the store about as much as I am, and hunts animals, so he does kill. Yet he was taken aback by another human being with a large knife.

This customer may have a knife of equal size(I dont know), but I think he felt uneasy at best because he may not have had it with him, if in fact he did own one.

What I am getting at here, is this: I personally do not care if you carry a SRKW Rodent Waki around with you (as long as I get to check it out =) ), but lots of people do, and as of right now, we share this world with those that do.

I myself carry two knives normally, one that would be considered tactical (tacticool), because when used among the 'right' crowed it can be a great conversation starter. and then I carry a multitool. or if i am not carrying a multitool, I will carry a 3 bladed stockman, normally does everything I need, and have yet, to scare any one with it.

I did not always think this way but as of late, its becoming more and more apparent we lack personal responsibility, and respect for one another as human beings in this society.

edited: The law here actually says that I can carry a waki, legally, as long as I do not go into the "big city" with it or conceal it, and yes I have a CCW, and it does not apply to knives in my state.
 
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I am careful around non knife people, it's just better that way and I don't want the hassle. :)

The other day I was in Wal-Mart and they had a display of the coffee that was on sale as I walked in the door. The boxes that were there still had the thick plastic on them because nobody had taken the time to open more of them yet. Well I pulled out my Custom Demko folder and opened one up so I could get some. Nobody said a word and there was a few people around, I did palm the knife when I was doing it and made it look discrete.
 
You don't have experience in a professional environment, I take it.

Not sure how you came to this conclusion from my post, but it's no different than any other public place except that you may have additional rules to follow. So if knives are a no no where you work then that's easy. If there isn't a policy, then using a knife to complete a task should be done as you would any other task. That is with consideration and respect for those around you without drawing undue negative attention to yourself. When it comes to knives just as other ordinary every day objects, it's how you present it and subsequently use it that says it all. For example, A pen or a chair could be perceived as dangerous if you present it in the right way. I argue, that in most cases you can pull out and deploy your knife, complete an every day type task and have it back in your pocket before anyone notices... and all that with out trying to hide it but rather just using your knife responsibly like you would use any other tool around you which can be summed up as purposefully and without fanfare. Don't make it a larger issue than it has to be.

Now granted, there will be some people who react in a negative way regardless of your actions. But it still comes down to being considerate and having respect for your fellow co-workers... but that's a two way street. In that instance, this would be the perfect opportunity to become a "knifenut ambassador". Bottom line is that a respectful conversation needs to take place in that instance so that all involved parties concerns may be addressed and a mutually agreed upon solution can be reached. Handle it at the lowest level (knifenut to sheep) where possible and if not, get HR involved as needed. Don't run from it, hit it straight on so that you can set the stage for a positive resolution and in the long run make life a little easier for all knifenuts.

So stop hiding in the shadows. Talk to people. Share (don't force) your passions with others. Stop making so many negative assumptions and give people a chance to learn. Otherwise things will only get worse, not better as everyone stays isolated in their own world with only their own preconceived notions and resulting fears.

I suspect hiding the use of your knife is all for nothing most of the time. That person that you are afraid to use your knife in front of may very well have a larger knife than you on their person. You definitely won't see mine until I intend to use it... because I like to have a smooth, sleek and streamlined look with no exposed "hardware":D I'm just sayin', you never know.
 
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Not sure how you came to this conclusion from my post, but it's no different than any other public place except that you may have additional rules to follow. So if knives are a no no where you work then that's easy. If there isn't a policy, then using a knife to complete a task should be done as you would any other task. That is with consideration and respect for those around you without drawing undue negative attention to yourself. When it comes to knives just as other ordinary every day objects, it's how you present it and subsequently use it that says it all. For example, A pen or a chair could be perceived as dangerous if you present it in the right way. I argue, that in most cases you can pull out and deploy your knife, complete an every day type task and have it back in your pocket before anyone notices... and all that with out trying to hide it but rather just using your knife responsibly like you would use any other tool around you which can be summed up as purposefully and without fanfare. Don't make it a larger issue than it has to be.

Now granted, there will be some people who react in a negative way regardless of your actions. But it still comes down to being considerate and having respect for your fellow co-workers... but that's a two way street. In that instance, this would be the perfect opportunity to become a "knifenut ambassador". Bottom line is that a respectful conversation needs to take place in that instance so that all involved parties concerns may be addressed and a mutually agreed upon solution can be reached. Handle it at the lowest level (knifenut to sheep) where possible and if not, get HR involved as needed. Don't run from it, hit it straight on so that you can set the stage for a positive resolution and in the long run make life a little easier for all knifenuts.

So stop hiding in the shadows. Talk to people. Share (don't force) your passions with others. Stop making so many negative assumptions and give people a chance to learn. Otherwise things will only get worse, not better as everyone stays isolated in their own world with only their own preconceived notions and resulting fears.

I suspect hiding the use of your knife is all for nothing most of the time. That person that you are afraid to use your knife in front of may very well have a larger knife than you on their person. You definitely won't see mine until I intend to use it... because I like to have a smooth, sleek and streamlined look with no exposed "hardware":D I'm just sayin', you never know.

It's really not all that simple. ;)

If one starts talking about knives to non knife people one could be labeled as crazy, psycho, or Serial Killer.

It's best to leave it in your pocket etc while at work unless there are other knife people around, same goes for talking about them.
 
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It's really not all that simple. ;)

If one starts talking about knives to non knife people one could be labeled as crazy, psycho, or Serial Killer.

It's best to leave it in your pocket etc while at work unless there are other knife people around, same goes for talking about them.
I have to agree. I don't show my knives to colleagues until I really know them, and despite the fact that by then they know I'm into guns, martial arts and knives, they know I've served in two armies and they know I dabble in survival, they STILL get all bug-eyed when I show them a Rukus, a Black Rhino or a Manix.
I have zero doubt that if I were to use the Manix II I currently have in my FRP without 'preparing' the sheeple, there'd be lots to explain, and I would not be surprised if they terminated my contract.
And I would have done NOTHING illegal, broken no rules. Just shook people to their very cores. A Manix II. Imagine that. :rolleyes:
 
Jay 2.0,

My sentiments are somewhat in agreement to yours as you say, "it is legal, tough" mentality. I only bring up that you are possibly a little overly and overtly passionate about it, asking members how tall they are is a little aggressive. We have to gently assert pressure on society to remind them of our rights to carry. We do not want to provide reasons for them to fuel their fears. Other members have elaborated.
 
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