Why was the SAR8 review thread closed?

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What makes for a functional Busse (versus aesthetic or durable or any other quality) is worth discussing. The SAR8 thread started to talk about the qualities of the reviewer perhaps as much as the qualities of a Busse. Maybe it’s a “playing the ball not the man” issue.
 
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As far as I can tell, his accent is that of New Zealand. The other down underers.
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Yeah, there were a few things in the vid that indicated it was from NZ. Typical!

On a side note, I didn't think everything he said was complete rubbish...

Chris.
 
Watching this review was quite inspiring to me. First of all I was reminded how beautiful the SAR-8 is. Secondly I realized that I have never given this knife a real workout. So I decided to beat the snot out of her next weekend :D I am sure the thread would have been even more inspiring if it hadn't been closed.
 
i have to stand by resin on this one. a little nose bleed goes a long way in the lesson of life.
 
I found nothing wrong with the video. Just a bloke giving his 2 cents worth on a knife he loves. No big deal really. An interesting watch, if you're into that sort of thing, and great to see a nice Busse getting some good use!

But, he wasn't totally happy with its performance - and his comments fair enough. Everyone is different, not every knife works for everyone's style, technique, tastes etc.

I guess the issue is that the thread discussion was begining to show signs of turning into a nasty childish rant fest, hence, it was closed.

It's good to see someone being open and honest about their feelings on a particular blade though, and I'm all for it. :thumbup:
 
I saw the video and it was just some guy sharing his point of view.....Big deal!!

I don't agree with that thread getting locked.
 
I posted the same question, then saw you started this thread, so I closed my question thread out, then received a " I am dumb comment" from dericdesmond via PM...... good thing we wasn't in the same room, I'm in a bad mood and woulda went to jail while he got stitches.........
 
I didnt say you were dumb. I said what you did was dumb then apologized for being a dumb ass for assuming you were being a smart arss. Again, my bad on the pm dude, I can man up when I do wrong and it was.
 
Funny, I just watched the video and at the end when he is chopping up sticks I am thinking to myself, wow the knife did pretty good, considering the limp wristed 190 year old grandma chopping technique. The guy was obviously putting out less than a half hearted attempt with the knife and it was still going through sticks easily, watch the video again. I am sure he can make a thinner grind that will "initially" cut better than the busse but what he doesn't understand is that the busse will be performing the same 8 months from now.

Another two cents from me, he specifically states that he would never put down another knife maker's product, being a knifemaker himself and then he goes on two make two videos doing just that. That's like asking Caribou Coffee if they think their product is better than Starbucks. LOL.

I am sure he makes good knives and I don't think he needs to put down other brands to sell his product. Also after looking at his site and his designs I am kinda perplexed by his Forester XL tang and it's cut design. There are lots of potential stress risers in that tang and in a chopping knife I would rather have a solid tang that has been tapered to the rear for weight savings, like many of the other custom makers do than using cnc to cut out designs in the tang, just my 2 cents.

I have an SHBM from 1997 that has seen 5-8 cords of wood and easily 5000 throws into logs. These days it just sits around doing nothing, but it is still here and just as good as it was the day it was made.

I will stick with what I know works:

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For the record, I am the one who closed the thread. There was little room to call Kyley's review objective or fair. . . Ridiculous? Yes. . . . Objective and/or fair? No.

I do not have a problem with negative reviews, (we have had our fair share), unless they take a bad turn toward personal attacks, cross forum posting, not family friendly, or are suspect of not being fair or objective. . . . This review touches on all of those and is nothing more than stepping on our reputation in order to make a reputation for himself. . . . It is unfortunate.

Kyley is just another in the long line of newbees who believes that they have discovered some lost secret of edge or bevel geometry. They look at one performance criteria and do not consider any other. There are many other criteria that need to be considered if you strive to make the very best knife for an intended application that will most assuredly need to be something more than just one dimensional.

I can hold the SAR 8 with a loose grip and by using poor cutting angles take 40-60 chops into a 2x4 without going all the way through. I can then use a firm grip and employ better chopping angles with the exact same knife and give a stellar performance by chopping through the same 2x4 with far less impacts.

This is why we always call these makers or manufacturers out to do a "Live" demonstration with their own blades in front of a "live audience" to duplicate ALL of our tests, which we have done on numerous occasions. . . . It is also why NONE of these makers or manufacturers have ever tried to use one of their own blades to duplicate the full battery of our tests in front of a "live" audience.

Making a knife excel at one or two criteria is not a big deal. . . . Making one knife that excels at all of these tests is a whole different game. . . . and it is what sets us apart from the rest of the industry.

My crew and I have been working 16-20 hours a day with no time for sleep, or for our families, in preparing for the BLADE Show. I have had little to no time to post on the forums, let alone time to deal with this nonsense. But since I have been called out as to why the thread was locked, I have been given little choice.

So, for your viewing pleasure here is a little more info that you might find interesting.


This is not the first review of the SAR 8 from Kyley Harris. Nearly 2 1/2 years prior to this (Before he was making and promoting his own blades at our expense) Kyley wrote these comments about his SAR 8 on this forum.
KyleyHarris said:
12-14-2009
Well. I just received my BUSSE SAR8 SE in the mail after an arduous 3 weeks muck around with USPS to NZ. . . . This is no fat sow. . . its a lean cutter. . . . . Well Jerry, on this score you got the formula perfectly. There is not one blade I have handled or owned from many high end companies that is "better" on the edge and geometry than this one. It is a perfect blend.
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1 year later he wrote this about his SCABS. . . . . .
KyleyHarris said:
November-15-2010
This knife #42 SCABS is the Highest Quality BUSSE I have laid my hands and Eyes on. the SAR8 was the previous.

This blade is of the Design and Quality of the highest standards that I'd expect for the money we pay . . . Please maintain this level of Quality, and you will never get a bad word from me for your product
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". . . you will never get a bad word from me for your product" . . .. Hmmmmm. . . . So what changed? :confused: . . . . Nothing changed on this end and the only change that took place on the other end was that Kyley started making his own knives.

Look, I'm sure that Kyley is a great guy. I'm sure that he makes a fine knife. I just don't go for attacking another maker's reputation in order to promote your own blades.

Makers and manufacturers need to stand on their own merits. Attacking another maker's reputation is beneath our trade and craft.

Let's Drink! :thumbup:

Jerry :D
 
Good job, Jerry. See ya in a couple days. Get back to cracking the whip!
 
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I think this thread is far better than the last, some good info here. :)
 
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Jerry Busse said:


Kyley is just another in the long line of newbees who believes that they have discovered some lost secret of edge or bevel geometry. They look at one performance criteria and do not consider any other. There are many other criteria that need to be considered if you strive to make the very best knife for an intended application that will most assuredly need to be something more than just one dimensional.

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I don't know why it still annoys me to see post about how XXX knife can out perform a Busse. Yeah, are there knives out there that can slice better a Busse....sure there are, are there knives that can chop better than a Busse....again, sure there are, BUT are any knives all around "BETTER" than Busse.........Hell NO!

And the complaints about how their knife isn't "sharp".....like complaining when your car runs out of gas! It is part of maintenance and upkeep. If you can't sharpen a knife, what are you doing with it? And that Busse doesn't come with a sheath, holy hell.....really, I mean really. This is your complaint, that you don't have to pay for a sheath that does not fit what everyone would want. Cause if they did come with sheaths, the next complaint would be about the sheath that is included.

I feel guilty for not buying any new knives recently, B10, B11, KZII, SCABS, SLUTS:eek: ..... it's just that I have a few older ones and find they are everything I need and continue to impress me even after 7 years. And that is why I will continue to support Busse in all their products.

Thank you Jerry and Garth!

Jason Anderson
 
Reading his previous post makes that video that more hilarious!
I stand by my initial assessment of him in the 1st thread.
 
Sometimes I miss the old forum ... there was a time when you could have had a meaningful discussion on where the guy was making mistakes and failing to understand the knife design ... or we could have had a good laugh and given him a hard time ... either one beats "the closure of the thread syndrome" ... so my 2cents are with Guy ... let's not get too shackled here ...

From my perspective the guy doing the review failed to pick up on the knife having a fully covex design ... what he was griping about in terms of "steel behind the edge" is exactly what gets removed when you sharpen a fully convex blade ... it is a design which in that sense requires an element of grinding away the steel to sharpen it ... and it was correctly advertised as a fully convex edge ... so we only really have to consider how the knife came from the shop ...

Busse's always come with a "hard use" thick edge because you cannot add steel back on if this is what an owner wants ... and if you want it thinned down for your specific purposes you need to sharpen it accordingly ... so ultimately his main gripe boils down to having to sharpen the knife ... and given that it is fully covexed by design ... this would remove the thickness behind the edge if this was the type of edge he was looking for ...

So it boils down to " I've paid $650 American" for a SAR8 Busse which I have to sharpen to get it to where I want it and "I am not happy" ... oh, and by the way I AM A KNIFEMAKER :D :D :D


Then in the "old days" we could have had a lot of fun ... firstly his chopping skills ... then his ambitious wood "selection" ... then his issues with "vibrations" ... ;)


We might even have clubbed together for a "group buy" of one of his knives ... done a "pass around" of tests with a few SAR 8's and sent his knife back in "two or three pieces" after it had been broken ....

God I miss the old days .... :cool:

Editted to add ... I see Jerry posted whilst I was typing ... this guy's old posts show him to be what he is ... well said Jerry :thumbup:
 
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^^^^"ambitious wood selection" That is hilarious! LOL...

Bottom line, the guy just wants his knives to be mentioned in the same sentence as Busse. It's a marketing video.


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I made a direct nasty comment about him and his character and I will neither rescind nor apologize for it. I have a problem with blatantly dishonest people period; especially when they put down other people or their work, product, etc. for some agenda. I guess it really bothers me to see another person making a video showing how Busse's aren't as good as brand X here when they obviously put less than half the energy into it to chop or cut as compared to whatever product they are so obviously pushing. Any outdoors guru loses all credibility with me when they do this. For the record I ignored and laughed at the attack on me while I drank my extra strong black coffee. :D
 
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