Why we should all be joining Ed Fowler's Little Revolution

yablanowitz, you mention urbanization but I am not sure that you are taking suburbanization sufficiently into account.

From US 2006 Census data there are an estimated 81 million people in the US living in 258 US cities with populations of 100,000 or more. Since there were an estimated total of 299 million people in the US in 2006 that leaves 218 million people living in municipalities with populations less than 100,000. That's 73% of the US population.

Sorry if I mislead you, but I live more than 150 miles from the nearest city with a population over 50,000. There are more people in the three largest cities in Kansas than there are in the western half of the state. And there are more people in New York City than there are in the entire state of Kansas. Urbanization has a little different meaning here. ;) If the cows don't outnumber the people, you must be urban. :D

I do what I can. I carry a lot of knives, I use them at every chance. I open clampacks for strangers. I never let anyone tear anything in my presence, I hand them a small knife to cut it instead. I am the "go to guy" when someone needs a sharp knife. I've gotten a few boys interested in whittling and impressed a few men with what a good sharp knife can do. I carry the longest blade allowed by law, and let people see me using it as the tool it is. But I also live where the cows outnumber the people, the largest employer in the area is a beef packing plant, and most people carry a pocket knife of some description, even if it is one of those folding utility knives.

The ongoing effort to replace basic skills with technology is what worries me.
 
I agree with Ed. Over the years I have always used a knife to do what a knife is supposed to do. There have been very few times when people have made negative comments. If you treat a knife as a tool, and use one when appropriate, it doesn't seem to bother most of the people that I have run into. However, I do not use threatening looking knives for doing these tasks. If I were to use a Cold Steel Vaquero Grande or X2 Voyager, I am sure that I would have had many negative comments.
 
To me this seems to be a "liberal city" or location problem. Recently, at the local steak house, my steak knife was dirty. I politely asked the waitress for another, and she went to get me one. After about 5 minutes, she was still a no-show.
In olden days, people would always use their own knives to feast. Can you see a bunch of Vikings sitting around with butter knives with tiny serrations? Because of the occasional misunderstandings where people got drunk, found themselves in heated debate and everyone having their own weapons in hand, well, one can see why the gentry devised less lethal instruments upon which to eat their peas and pork chops.

The secret is, of course, that until fairly recent times, people were too smart to go anywhere totally unarmed. The Good Lord did not design human beings with a whole lot except their intellects. Not only did most of us lose a substantial part of our body hair, many find it difficult to keep it on the tops of their heads! In short, we have no claws, no fanged teeth, nothing to keep us warm in blustery weather, or even mildly chilled weather.

We are a pathetic lot.

The problem is, the more intelligent amongst us devised means of self protection in the form of tools. And the less intelligent amongst us keep trying to take those tools away from us because they think we'll get hurt. So they hired professional agents to protect us. Only they never seem to be around when we need them. So they devised forensics with the idea that if they couldn't prevent us from being murdered, at least they could catch the people who killed us (most often with weapons). If we treat them cruelly, by putting them in prisons, it might keep someone else from killing us. Only our prisons are overcrowded and they're having to let many of them go.

It's very complicated, but it's worked for the past hundred and twenty years or so. Basically. Of course there are those miscreants who carry weapons for their own defense and we put them in prison too when we find them. They're the ones who gum up the works. If they selfishly use weapons to protect themselves, our society ceases to work. In fact, it could face complete annihilation, as if there were any other kind.

So what they do is punish children for drawing pictures of knives and other implements in grade school, then try taking them away from them in high school. Even using a tiny 3-inch bladed knife is enough to cause some to panic entirely. Start whittling in front of the Wal*Mart that sold you the knife, guys, and you'll be explaining yourself to a cop withing a half-hour.

In the gun world, many are objecting to harsh gun restrictions by wearing empty holsters. And you can imagine how some people feel woozy just by seeing a holster with no gun. Anyway, this is our world. When people in New York, Baltimore, Chicago and other cities make the laws for the rest of the nation, then we're in bad shape.

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Unfortunately, I think the "trend" is in the other direction.

It seems to start with our entertainment. Films depicting knives in the hands of the "bad guy" doing "bad things". We've had many a discussion with movie producers trying to get them to have the "good guy" use the knife in a "good way", but I guess that doesn't sell movies.

Sal,
You make an excellent point about movies putting knives into the hands of bad guys. Although I suspect that the real factor there, excuses aside, is the political alignment of those that call the shots in the entertainment industry.

Locking folders are not legal in the UK for normal carry. (There is a website in the UK actually asking people to "turn in their knives"). Nor are lockers appreciated in Belgium. Australia, Norway and Israel have tried to outlaw knives altogether for carry (uncussesfully at this time). Denmark does not allow one hand openers...and the list goes on.

The good news here is that the US does not lightly take orders from the rest of the world. On weights and measures, here it's gallons and pounds, no matter how much everyone else out there is using "litres" and kilograms. Try and change a Euro in a US bank and it will take weeks to get back a fraction of your money. From health care to gun control, from government regulation to foreign policy the US is just different. Here individual freedom still counts for something. And in many parts of the country the argument, "that's how the Europeans do it" won't win many hearts and minds.

So selfishly put, at least here in the US we are not up against the same trends and Big Government as our fellow knife enthusiasts in Europe and the rest of the world.
 
In the old days(not really that long ago) we didn`t have knives that looked tactical, with names like The Rukus, close quarter combat, pro venator. I know it`s just a name, but it puts scary pictures in the heads of sheeple. In the old days nobody carried tanto blades, today they are quite common. The tanto blade was designed to pierce armor,but can be used to slice an apple, Just don`t scare the sheeple.
 
Most sheeple don't know the names of the knives, though if a knife owner ends up in court the name can work against him.

I've really been surprised by some of the legislation passed in Austraila, where there's so much wilderness (like the U.S.). They've been going against knives and guns. And in Israel, where so many people carry guns, I guess knives are viewed as a means of inflicting "silent" death or injury.

In the U.S., a lot of people may not own guns or knives, but they want the freedom to do so if they choose.

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Hi all,
Here's what I'm doing.
Whenever I get change out of my pocket I make sure my SAK comes out on my palm with it.
I show off my new purchases at work.
I even get them delivered there so nearly everyone knows "Greg got a new knife yesterday."
I use my own knives at every opportunity, rather than the non-sharpened pieces of steel usually on hand.
The other thing we have to do is resist labeling people who don't understand knives with the same name as our perceived enemies. For example, I am a liberal, a social worker, and work in an office in a large city. I am also a pistol shooter and knife carrier.
Greg

So, you get your knives delivered to you at work, eh? Are you sure it's not so your wife doesn't know how advanced your knife collecting sickness has gotten??;)

BTW, I only make that accusation because that's why I get most of mine delivered to work too.:D
 
So, you get your knives delivered to you at work, eh? Are you sure it's not so your wife doesn't know how advanced your knife collecting sickness has gotten??;)

BTW, I only make that accusation because that's why I get most of mine delivered to work too.:D

I have to plead NOT GUILTY to that one. I get them delivered to work 'cause there is no-one at home during the day to sign for the package. But mostly because I don't want to have to wait 'til I can get to the Post Office to play.
Greg
 
I have been trying to inject people with the "knife bug" for many years. Any chance I get, I try to teach the uneducated about the use of knives as tools.
 
Strangely enough, I've found many people who resist the idea of using a knife for things a knife is used for. I've offered a knife to people struggling to open a box or package and they'll decline, using fingernails or their keys instead. At various jobs I've had I'll see 40 year old men trying to pull thick plastic wrap off pallets of goods rather than use their issued box cutter or a pocket knife to slice it.

Another aspect is care and sharpening. I've met very few people who know how to treat a knife, and I can't think of anyone I've met in person who's freehand sharpened a knife with me knowing it. Most people expect a knife to be dull. I've had people run their fingers down the blade of one of my knives without thinking twice, until they cut themselves that is.

I have found people interested in knives, but a lot of them are interested for the wrong reasons. The first thing they do when I show them a new knife is see how well it "flicks." I've even had them try to flick open traditional slipjoints of mine for some absurd reason. The beauty of an old stockman escapes them, but wide blades with a nasty looking point "Could really **** someone up, dood." They just don't understand that knives can be useful for more than killing. Even when they see that a SAK is useful for many things or they find themselves asking to use my knife every week, they never make the connection that they too could carry one. I've given them as gifts numerous times but the idea of EDCing one is something no one ever thinks of unless I suggest it.

Public opinion can be an odd thing to deal with. Some people will look at me like I have criminal intent if I use a Delica in front of them, others will think an AO Kershaw Bump looks awsome and will want to hold it after I'm done cutting with it.

One thing I wish the knife world would produce more of is a marriage of traditional slipjoint styling with modern tactical design. I think locks, ergonomic handles, one handed opening, pocket clips, adjustable pivots and many other things the "tactical" knife world has popularized are good things, but it's nice to see something other than black G10 on every model.
 
Strangely enough, I've found many people who resist the idea of using a knife for things a knife is used for. I've offered a knife to people struggling to open a box or package and they'll decline, using fingernails or their keys instead. At various jobs I've had I'll see 40 year old men trying to pull thick plastic wrap off pallets of goods rather than use their issued box cutter or a pocket knife to slice it...

Even when they see that a SAK is useful for many things or they find themselves asking to use my knife every week, they never make the connection that they too could carry one. I've given them as gifts numerous times but the idea of EDCing one is something no one ever thinks of unless I suggest it.

Vivi,
That's an excellent point. There are some people who with all the right exposure still don't seem ready to carry knives. Of course, it's still worth exposing them to knives as Ed has argued to create better acceptance of knives. But the real question that we can ask ourselves after reading your post is whether there is a way to encourage those who are reluctant, to go the full way and carry.

I am wondering whether the answer for those people on the gift-list who won't carry pure knives, even SAKs, is multi-tools. After all multi-tools are really just like a miniature box of tools which happen to include a knife. They don't have the stigma that knives do and aren't looked at as weapons.

Who knows? Maybe if you give them a multi-tool they will feel comfortable enough to carry it and who knows maybe they will start to use the blade on their multi-tool, get to like it and slowly but surely...

Similarly there may be people you know to whom, for whatever reason, you don't feel comfortable giving a knife. A multi-tool may just be the best way to get a blade in under radar...

Could multi-tools be the secret weapon of Ed's revolution?

Any thoughts anyone?
 
When I see this thread, and the name calling of liberals and then I see dave_last's avatar, I know that Ed's cause is lost.

Courtesy and common sense form the issue, not knives.
 
When I see this thread, and the name calling of liberals and then I see dave_last's avatar, I know that Ed's cause is lost. Courtesy and common sense form the issue, not knives.

Twindog,
Your point about name-calling liberals was eloquently made earlier on this thread by Greg and I for one, agree with him entirely,

The other thing we have to do is resist labeling people who don't understand knives with the same name as our perceived enemies. For example, I am a liberal, a social worker, and work in an office in a large city. I am also a pistol shooter and knife carrier. Greg

I also agree with you that courtesy and common sense are an issue. However, you also suggest that name-calling by some tells you that Ed's cause is lost. Taking a look at Greg's post in full suggests otherwise. The same Greg who complained about name-calling wrote,

Hi all,
Here's what I'm doing.
Whenever I get change out of my pocket I make sure my SAK comes out on my palm with it.
I show off my new purchases at work.
I even get them delivered there so nearly everyone knows "Greg got a new knife yesterday."
I use my own knives at every opportunity, rather than the non-sharpened pieces of steel usually on hand.

That tells me that people like Greg will look beyond the name-calling and other issues and see what unites us rather than focusing on our divisions.

And we can all take a lesson from Greg. The more all of us can overlook partisan political impulses and other distractions the more we will be able to reach like-minded knife enthusiasts of all political stripes and persuasions.
 
Been making "public" use of my knives for years..........and although I do live in "the great plains", I do get the occasional "look". But,........I've never had a negative comment, because I use common sense. I don't use it in a threatening way, EVER. I use it as a tool.
I think a lot of what has given knife carry a bad name is the junk shops that sell the $3 "Intimidator.etc". to the stupid kids that pull 'em on each other. Just my opinion.
 
Just a few days ago I sliced a cake using my Opinel and put the knife on the table in the Starbucks, and give the cake to my 4 years old daughter. The security person just give a slight glance.

And almost everyday in the office I just lay my BM AFCK on the table. I want people to reconsider their mind about knife as a weapon or a concealed weapon. Few people will open the knife, give some comments and finally ask me how to close it. Nothing to fear of.

Sorry for my bad english, it's not my language anyway. Cheers!

Frids

Your English very good, so don't worry about it. I am shocked that wherever you live there was a "security person" in your Starbucks, though. Did you mean that the business had actually hired a security person, or was this just someone else who was eating or drinking coffee in there?
 
Vivi,
That's an excellent point. There are some people who with all the right exposure still don't seem ready to carry knives. Of course, it's still worth exposing them to knives as Ed has argued to create better acceptance of knives. But the real question that we can ask ourselves after reading your post is whether there is a way to encourage those who are reluctant, to go the full way and carry.

I am wondering whether the answer for those people on the gift-list who won't carry pure knives, even SAKs, is multi-tools. After all multi-tools are really just like a miniature box of tools which happen to include a knife. They don't have the stigma that knives do and aren't looked at as weapons.

Who knows? Maybe if you give them a multi-tool they will feel comfortable enough to carry it and who knows maybe they will start to use the blade on their multi-tool, get to like it and slowly but surely...

Similarly there may be people you know to whom, for whatever reason, you don't feel comfortable giving a knife. A multi-tool may just be the best way to get a blade in under radar...

Could multi-tools be the secret weapon of Ed's revolution?

Any thoughts anyone?

Unfortunately, in all states bar one down here, you need a "good reason" to carry anything with a blade, including multitools. And that list of "good reasons" can be quite annoying.
 
Unfortunately, in all states bar one down here, you need a "good reason" to carry anything with a blade, including multitools. And that list of "good reasons" can be quite annoying.

Th232,
My thoughts are with you and all others "Down Under" (in all States bar one), may you and your compatriots be blessed with the creativity and ingenuity to come up with many non-annoying "good reasons" to carry.
 
I've been trying to do my part with this for some time, and it can definitely be difficult, and can be hard work, and you do have to deal with some prejudice against knives. But it's worth it.

I work for a MSSP (Managed Security Services Provider). That's a fancy name for a company that provides services and solutions to other companies to help them increase their computer and network security. We work to stop the bad guys. ;-)

This is a computer company. Lots of geeks and nerds and salespeople. Not exactly a knife friendly place. Especially for someone who carries multiple knives (a Spyderco Salt 1, an old gerber beater, a Leatherman, and a small Anza fixed-blade (2 and 1/4 inch blade) worn next to my leatherman). About six months after I started, the Executive Vice President of Operations pulled me aside and asked me if I was familiar with the company's strict policy against weapons in the workplace.

I told him that I was aware of it, and I fully supported it. I strongly believe that weapons have no place at work, especially in a computer company. He then asked me how I could say that, when I had a knife plainly visible on my belt. I politely but firmly stated that it was not a weapon, it was a tool. A weapon is for injuring people, while a tool is for doing work. I then went through the common daily uses where I utilized my knife, including opening boxes, cutting cable ties, stripping cat5 sheaths and wires, etc. All of which I'd done already that day.

We proceeded to discuss knives and their history as tools. I asked him if a steak knife was a weapon, or the paring knife that's in the drawer in the breakroom for people's use when bringing their own lunch. He said that no, the paring knife wasn't, and he was surprised, despite how obvious it was, when he I pointed out that the blade on my knife was an inch shorter than the paring knife! By the end of our chat, he said thanks for the chat, and wondered off. That was 3 years ago now, so at this point I think I can say I'm safe from being fired for carrying a knife at work. ;-)

Good luck to everyone else, and let's continue to wear our knives proudly and openly. It's the only way we can ensure that our children will be able to carry one at all.
 
In the last year, I have given away a Spyderco Military, 2 custom kitchen knives, a 14" engraved YCS karda, an 11" YCS karda, a kumar karda, a 16" BAS, a custom Ranger RAK, and I'm sure there were a few more.

I always carry a SAK, and I give them away to friends. When they need a knife, I happily loan them one, and ask if they have their own SAK. If they say, "No," I give them the SAK. I think of myself as a missionary.

I teach junior high. My students have used my SRKW Howling Rat to cut up ducks and geese. They've also used my big khuks around camp. They all know that I collect knives, and I teach them about what makes a good knife, and how to choose one for different tasks. I also talk to them about sharpening, and most of them have seen my demonstrate the razor sharpness of my SAKs.

A bunch of my kids are excited about the latest big custom bowie I have in the mail. They've seen the pics, and they're eager to see what it looks like in person. For the record, it's a monster.

TC
 
About six months after I started, the Executive Vice President of Operations pulled me aside and asked me if I was familiar with the company's strict policy against weapons in the workplace.

I told him that I was aware of it, and I fully supported it. I strongly believe that weapons have no place at work, especially in a computer company. He then asked me how I could say that, when I had a knife plainly visible on my belt. I politely but firmly stated that it was not a weapon, it was a tool. A weapon is for injuring people, while a tool is for doing work. I then went through the common daily uses where I utilized my knife, including opening boxes, cutting cable ties, stripping cat5 sheaths and wires, etc. All of which I'd done already that day.

We proceeded to discuss knives and their history as tools. I asked him if a steak knife was a weapon, or the paring knife that's in the drawer in the breakroom for people's use when bringing their own lunch. He said that no, the paring knife wasn't, and he was surprised, despite how obvious it was, when he I pointed out that the blade on my knife was an inch shorter than the paring knife! By the end of our chat, he said thanks for the chat, and wondered off. That was 3 years ago now, so at this point I think I can say I'm safe from being fired for carrying a knife at work. ;-)

Good luck to everyone else, and let's continue to wear our knives proudly and openly. It's the only way we can ensure that our children will be able to carry one at all.

Now that is well said. It takes guts and conviction to take on the EVPO and you obviously have both...
 
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