Why won't my knife sell?

It's not just Busse. The few knives I have had for sale lately have had to go for much less than they would have 6 months ago. I do think Operation Two Weeks has had some effect on prices of Busse/kin but right now it's just a tough market. Probably due to the holidays. Just wait until the tax returns start coming in and it will be on fire again.
 
Yup patience is the key. Some guys get overly desperate and it only scares potential buyers away and attracts the lowballers
 
I've been hit on a quite a few lately. A lot of makers have decreased in value. I lost hundreds on a Direware and have broken even with most of the Busses I've sold, lost some on a couple.

Think it's the time of year and also read that the market is predicted to see a reduction in prices with some full on high end customs with exotic materials


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Every year I buy more secondary market knives between November 25 and December 25 than any other time of year. There are more options, low or at-original listing prices, and more time available to think about whether I want something or not without someone else snagging it first.

Knives are a semi-liquid asset (notice I didn't say "investment"), so it's common to turn to a pile of unused steel to help pay for Christmas presents, car registrations, and other end-of-year lump sum liabilities.

Add up the number of people trying to liquidate and you get a pretty awesome buyers' market. Sadly for you, you're on the other end of that.

So basically you can increase liquidity by selling at a super low price (encouraging arbitrage, or "flipping") or you can wait and try again later.
 
Nobody's paying for your knife/sheath combo plus shipping to China to copy it - they're not that concerned with authenticity in making knock-offs. The apparent problem as to why your knife won't sell is you're rejecting interested buyers who've paid you.

Gotta agree with this. There are plenty of people in other countries (including China) that would love to buy a Busse knife with the intent of using it. If someone is planning to buy a knife to copy it, they will find another. You had a buyer and refunded their money and you're now asking why your knife isn't selling. It did.

Plus your knife is pretty polarizing. A lot of knife users don't like the knuckle guard. In fact they are illegal in some states. Polarizing color. More of a collectors piece than a real user. I've never seen the AAs fly off the shelves. Certain models are simply more popular than others. Put a Battle Saw, SARsqatch, Urban Grudge, NMSFNO, DSF, hell even a TGLB up for sale at original cost. See how long that sits there. Sure the resale prices have lowered a little because of OP2W but popular models will obviously demand a higher price.
 
Honestly, the grab bags didn't bring the secondary market prices down much at all because they had some different and unique knives (BT6 and custom shop pieces for instance). O2W on the other hand has definitely changed the market in many ways, including significantly reducing the secondary market prices on many knives (but not all). I used to buy a knife if I was at all on the fence about it, because if it wasn't quite right for me after receiving and holding it, I could pretty much always resell it and and break even. That is not the case nowadays, so I'm much more careful with what blades I buy. The flip side is that many new buyers can get to experience how great the brand is and not spend a huge amount of money (or at least not as much as they would have paid in years previous). As is the way with many things, there are both positive and negative aspects to the current market.

I think the grab bags definitely changed the market dynamic for a little while. Lots of people bought into them and blew their knife budgets, and got stuck with a bunch of knives they didn't want. Now they're all listing on the exchange, and the listings are a bit bloated because they're all on at once. You end up with low demand because everyone is trying to recoup purchases and low rate of sale.
 
A lot of the old school Busse collectors are getting old, and like me they may have come to the point that buying another knife just doesn't make any sense any more. Also many specific collecting targets, such as complete sets, variations, etc. have been fulfilled. Something has to be extraordinary now for me to buy. (I recently put the WTF and WTH into this category. Extraordinary knives.)

When I finally start to liquidate my collection I will undoubtedly lose money off original purchase price, and I still have some that would sell today for double original price. I also have some I will just give away to friends.

So what? For over 22 years I have loved and fondled many of my knives and have used quite a few. There has been great value of satisfaction extracted through this hobby, as well as a long-time association with the Busse Hogs, Busse family, etc. I don't think it reasonable to expect that some financial cost would not accrue to that.

I consider your and my AA's to be more in the collector category and less in the practical user category. Going forward, collectors will have much more of a buyers' market because of many more Busses being in circulation today. My Sarsquatch will hold value better than my AA's simply because the Squatch is more of a practical use knife.

Update: I just looked at your sale post. Congratulations on the sell.
 
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Not much to add to the above, except that the AA is a bit of an odd duck. Got one in my Grab Bag. Taking a while to warm up to it. Good Luck in your efforts.
 
A lot of the old school Busse collectors are getting old, and like me they may have come to the point that buying another knife just doesn't make any sense any more. Also many specific collecting targets, such as complete sets, variations, etc. have been fulfilled. Something has to be extraordinary now for me to buy. (I recently put the WTF and WTH into this category. Extraordinary knives.)

When I finally start to liquidate my collection I will undoubtedly lose money off original purchase price, and I still have some that would sell today for double original price. I also have some I will just give away to friends.

So what? For over 22 years I have loved and fondled many of my knives and have used quite a few. There has been great value of satisfaction extracted through this hobby, as well as a long-time association with the Busse Hogs, Busse family, etc. I don't think it reasonable to expect that some financial cost would not accrue to that.

I consider your and my AA's to be more in the collector category and less in the practical user category. Going forward, collectors will have much more of a buyers' market because of many more Busses being in circulation today. My Sarsquatch will hold value better than my AA's simply because the Squatch is more of a practical use knife.

Update: I just looked at your sale post. Congratulations on the sell.
Lets Be Friends lol
 
Thanks! knife is sold, albeit for a lot less than it cost (almost 300 less). Ive been a collector for 10 years and enjoy collecting. I take a lot of pride in knowing whats going to go up in value and have been very good at figuring out what will be collectible and valuable long term. What I think has happen here is that we've taken semi custom fixed blade knives and mass produced them cheapening the Brand. While I think the older Busses will still retain most of their value, all of the newer knives will decrease in monetary value. Its very simple, buyers want what they cant have, and are willing to pay for it. If a buyer can find what they want easily, the demand diminishes along with the price. While I love Busses and still have affection for them, the current situation has diminished many collectors collections monetary value considerably. This will most likely make collectors question future purchases. I mean really who like to loose money? If I want to loose money, I can think of many other ways to loose it. I will end with this what drew me to Busse knives was the mystique the brand had. I use to say if the Apocalypse happen today Christ would be carrying a Busse.... Hopefully the boss can help turn this market around so that collectors like myself aren't scared to spend again....
 
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I think sometimes we, as collectors, forget that these are also businesses and have employees and families to care for. I don't personally buy in hopes of flipping them for a profit, and I've sold all of mine at cost plus shipping and insurance. I think with the business model as is now, collectors who are hoping for return for investment will need to order from the Custom Shop when it re-opens (all of my favorites that I have held onto are all CS blades, a couple I've been approached by collectors to buy but I won't let em go).


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For me, I don't buy Busse with the thought of how much I can make selling it later. I buy them because I like them. Sometimes, a model comes around that is especially appealing because it fits a certain criterion like being a great edc carry and general use blade. The soon to be delivered Son of Swat is one such example.

If I sell a Busse down the line, and I have, I list it at what I paid for it minus shipping and call it a day. I don't sell it to necessarily make a profit. My interest is getting most of what I paid for it back so I can apply the funds to my next knife. I see that your knife sold and that's a good thing. Think of it like this: you made someone very happy with a great deal on a classic, AND you have a sizeable chunk of change for your next Busse.
 
I agree,, sometimes is a taboo subject, it's nice to have a calm and open discussion.
What I've noticed as said before here, is lately only satin INFI seems to move quickly at above cost.
Some CG modems move quick,, TGLB I.e..
Battle grade seems to be the slowest..
It is 100% A buyers market
 
To me the best thing about the market as it was few month ago, was that if i semi liked the blade, i didnt think about it twice, would buy it, fondle it, cuzz i knew if i didn't like it, most likely i could sell it quick, not for profit, but to continue the search for that Perfect knife lol and most times would recoup the shipping. Nowadays i think twice before buying
 
I agree that Busse has a business to run and has employees. But that works both ways as well in the free Markets. Buyers demand such as ours dictates the market, especially when talking about availability. I have collected a lot of things over the years and not one hobby that I have been in have collectors not expected their items to increase in value. This includes everyone of the following Classic Cars,Coins, War Relics,Knives,Guns,Art,Vinyl Lps,Guitars,Sports memorabilia. Its easy for me to believe that many collectors here spending several thousands of dollars a year on Busse knives are expecting at some point an increase in value. I mean to me a 700-2500 knife is not a user, its a piece of Art! A piece of Art that I like to look at and hold. If i want to chop thru a tree Ill get a 50 dollar Axe to do it (No Offense anyone). Well this is just my opinion, you know what they say about opinions, they are like well you know lol...

I think sometimes we, as collectors, forget that these are also businesses and have employees and families to care for. I don't personally buy in hopes of flipping them for a profit, and I've sold all of mine at cost plus shipping and insurance. I think with the business model as is now, collectors who are hoping for return for investment will need to order from the Custom Shop when it re-opens (all of my favorites that I have held onto are all CS blades, a couple I've been approached by collectors to buy but I won't let em go).


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Back in 2006, there was a thread about the prospects of reselling a FBM LE and recovering the purchase price. There was some talk about how Busses had appreciated in the past. I was a bit skeptical about a knife as an investment:

My son was once convinced that Beanie Babies were going to keep going up too. And baseball cards. Shoot, I once even thought that pre-ban "assault weapons" were a sure bet. Didn't quite work out that way.

A couple years down the line, a bunch of folks might realize that they really don't care that much about having 35 identical SHSHs or 25 different GWs, and all the sudden they might become a lot easier to come by.

Buy it if it's worth the price to you as a knife. Collectors' items are for suckers. That's my take on it, anyway.

YMMV, of course.

Fast forward to 2007, when Game Wardens were all the rage. Back then, some Busse knives were offered through the Busse Company Store. Each blade/handle combo was a limited run, and they were sold at the Company store where they'd often sell out in a matter of minutes, if not seconds. (If you waited around, sometimes a few woulds reappear as people's overloaded shopping carts expired, but the point is that they sold out quickly, and Busse would move on to a new combo.) Right after a new model was released, they'd appear on the Exchange at a significant mark up. My take on that was:

It's no different than Beanie Babies or Las Vegas condos. People decide they absolutely must have things they don't need and bid up the price based on perceived shortages. And when the prices rise, more people get in and bid the prices up even higher because they're such a great investment.

I couldn't help but think the Beanie Baby effect was in full swing.

The first GW I saw in the Company Store was a Black/DC. I bought a couple of those and gave one to my son. The next one I actually saw for sale in the BCS was the Jaxx Warden, which I passed on. What I really wanted was a serrated SMOG, but I couldn't find one on the secondary market at anywhere close to what I thought was a fair price. So I started buying whatever popped up at the Company Store, thinking maybe somewhere down the road I could trade them for what I really wanted. And then I forgot to stop. And not just one, but usually two or three of each. And then there were the Rams and Buffaloes at the 'Ganzaaas. Couldn't pass on those. And then I had to go back and fill in the things I missed.

And then I started to think about how much money I was spending on these things, and I remembered the talk I had with my son many years ago about the long-term investment potential of Beanie Babies. I resolved to pick a couple favorites and sell off the rest.

But it didn't work out that way. Prices seemed somewhat depressed due to an over-saturation of the market. New issues sat in the Company Store overnight! I bought more. And more.

And now I find myself doing this:



And I think that answers the question that started this thread. I don't have a game plan. Game Warden Circles could only be the result of alien influence. I'm obviously being controlled by outside forces whose motives are unknown to me.


But even then, some people were seeing softness in the Busse aftermarket. One thread about how hard it had gotten to sell Busses started like this:

Hey guys, while I am waiting for more Boss Hog's Ganzaa picture.....and seems nothing is happening, hope you don't mind to chat with me a bit.

I was trying to prepare myself for ganzaaa, so I take a look at my CC "space"

:eek: ....with :eek: :eek: !!! I hv over $3,000+++ from buying Busse blade here and there...Really scared me....INFI ADDITION~

So, I am looking for something to let go~, so I go over to the exchange....A lotta Busse are actually NOT SOLD even they are already at INSANE price! (i mean low here) a FBM LE $727 got no takers, FSH lower $600 no takers, a lotta AD, MS are in killer price...not sold! I remember when GW LE was introduced, the little thing is $325 and went like crazy~

I look over all my FBMs...Should I bite the bullet and keep them longer. Is not like I know which to let go~~~.....but there is so much I can do....

and ganzaaaaaa:eek:

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My response:

Yup. Just like Beanie Babies. Saw it coming a mile away.

Moving on to 2009, there was another thread about a depressed aftermarket on the exchange. "Beanie Babies!" I said, quoting from my prior comments, and then going on to say:


Basically, for the past few years we were in the midst of a speculative bubble. Now we aren't. And there are a lot of people who bought very freely for a time, and now have way more INFI than they'll ever have any real use for.

For instance:













Just kidding. You can never have enough INFI.


I'm not sure what the take-away from all that should be. Maybe it's just that Busses and Beanie Babies are subject to the same market forces, and when there's a perceived desireability and a limited supply, prices tend to go up. And when you can resell something for more than what you paid for it, it's desireability increases, and so too does its price. Until it doesn't. And when you no longer have increasing prices driving prices up, prices fall. And when people start to see the value of a Busse as its value as a knife rather than its value as a collectable or as an investment, they migh find they don't have a reason to own so many knives anymore, and prices fall even more. So you migh want to liquidate your investment now, before prices fall furhter.

On the other hand, the lesson from all this might just be that the market for Busses is cyclical. People were remarking on the weakness of the Busse aftermarket in 2007 and 2009, and probably some time in between when I wasn't paying attention. And in between dips, there seemed to be peaks. O2W has certainly shaken things up a bit, and maybe the days when you could be relatively confident you could get your money out of a Busse knife are over for good. Maybe this time it will be different. All I know is that I've been saying that Busses are Beanie Babies for a decade now, but for some reason, I still find myself buying Beanie Babies. 'Cause darn it, they're just so damn cute.
 
The market for true art is very, very small. If you think about an expensive Busse knives as art, there are only two possibilities: those who agree with you and those who disagree. The group of those who agree with you is probably somewhat small and highly selective. As such, a quick sale is probably the last thing likely to happen. The group of folks who do not think of Busse knives as art, but think of them as something else, say perhaps a usable tool, is much much larger, but then you have to remember that that group has many choices-- users of all different shapes and sizes from many different companies and custom makers. If they just want something that will cut, well then there are a world of choices. If they want something that will cut and endure exactly as long as a Busse knife will, their options are much more limited but are still numerous nonetheless. Again, I think it is reasonable to expect that a quick sale of a knife for more than what you paid for it is more the exception than the rule. In my opinion, this applies even if the price you paid was reasonable or even a bargain.

I understand that we all hope that whatever we collect will increase in value. The price for nearly everything goes up over time but that does not mean the value of things in existence now also continues to increase. It's actually quite the contrary. Most things end up going down in value. Just my .02.
 
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