Why would you buy anything BUT a Strider Knife?

I've never personally handled a Busse knife, but I've run into a number of guys who swear by them. And they certainly have put more strain on their gear than the average. Personally I like what I have seen out of Strider better. Their form fits my function better. As for Mr. Stamp's evaluations... I'll call them bunk. Helo fuselages are not terrribly thick, yet I would still expect to have some deleterious effects to my edge if I had to jam the blade through and hack my way out. If I had to hack away at cinder blocks, I don't think a nice sharp edge is goingto matter a bit. So I'd use the spine. I see Stamp's tests as having no real world applicability.
 
I have a Busse (steel heart) knife and I love it, but I also want a Strider, the Tanto folder that knife looks really cool and looks tough as hell. One of these days I'll get one.
 
Originally posted by Kampfjaeger
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Personally I like what I have seen out of Strider better.
I like them both. I have dozen+ Busses, 1 Strider MH, 2 Striders on order and hopefully will pickup some more at the show :D And I also own few other blades anyways, and it's perfectly Ok, IMHO.

As for Mr. Stamp's evaluations... I'll call them bunk.
Well, matter of taste, nobody said those reviews should be taken as the final instance. Read and make your own conclusions.

Though I don't quite understand why exactly Cliff 's name appeared in this thread anyways.
If someone likes Strider knives more than anything in this world, fine, but why to make "weird" comments regarding other maker and a knife user?

Helo fuselages are not terrribly thick
And definitely not concrete, so what? Not being a helo pro, but anyways, at least from what I've heard ;) some helos should withstand (or claimed to) direct hit of .50 BMG and more than that. Presumably that kind of material will not be any better to chop than the conctrete block, if not tougher, wouldn't you agree?

If I had to hack away at cinder blocks, I don't think a nice sharp edge is goingto matter a bit. So I'd use the spine. I see Stamp's tests as having no real world applicability.
In those reviews there is a lot more than that cinder block if you read them. Out of curiosity, when referring to <B>tests</B> in plural you dismiss all of the cutting tests as well or only concrete chopping?
 
Originally posted by det
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You are probably not the one that should be questioning KnifeBomber about the uses of his knife, especially since you are obviously not familiar with what he does.
Given that logic the only person allwed to talk would be a butcher :)

What's wrong with asking questions anyways? If KnifeBomber can question Cliff's reviews (and more than that), why can't someon ask him?
BTW, if I am not mistaken, Ryan wrote about that before, something like to get through the helo wreckage, obviously and hopefully that doesn't happen too often to him.
 
Gator,

Pretty much any chopper can withstand a hit from a .50. It is all a matter of where you hit it. As far as "weird" comments concerning other knives and their makers... I was unaware that I had made any. My assertion was that I found that Strider's Designs were more appropriate for my needs than Busse's. I never cast them in a negative light.

Mr. Stamp certainly does his own thing. And I'm quite certain that he is a well educated man - as he is pursuing his PhD in metallurgy (if I remember correctly from his site). However, I think you would be quite foolish to base your assessments of knives based on his "experiments." That is unless, of course you plan on throwing your knife point first repeatedly into a concrete floor, or chopping rocks and cinderblocks, or stabbing phone books. None of which are tasks I have felt the need to perform in the field. What exactly does a phone book simulate, anyway?
 
Originally posted by Kampfjaeger
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Pretty much any chopper can withstand a hit from a .50. It is all a matter of where you hit it.
:) I was refering to armour plate penetration, not to shuting down a chopper with 1 hit.

As far as "weird" comments concerning other knives and their makers... I was unaware that I had made any.
Pardon. My fault, I didn't mean you did. Comment was regardig the other message.

My assertion was that I found that Strider's Designs were more appropriate for my needs than Busse's. I never cast them in a negative light.
I like my MH more than some Busses, but I don't think that's anything negative.

stabbing phone books. None of which are tasks I have felt the need to perform in the field.
:) I have to confess here, I've stabbed the phonebook too. The other day I took a few blades and did it. BTW, Strider MH did the best, outperforming SOG-42 recondo, CRK PJ II, Busse Bolo, Lightfoot pitbull, BM Nimravus, etc.

What exactly does a phone book simulate, anyway?
Well, I personally was curious which one of those blades would penetrate deeper, and how comfortable the handle was for that. Having no better medium to satisfy my curiosity I've used phone book. In short it didn't simulate anything but a phonebook. I couldn't conduct another Strasburg test at home and repeatedly stab few goats anyways, besides that's too gory and messy.
As of the phonebooks, those ae easily available :) Haven't done that myself yet, but shooting enthusiasts use the same phonebooks(only wet) to make "wet packs". Of course it doesn't simulate a bad guy, but cheaper and easier to make than the ballistic gelatine.
 
Gator-
What does a butcher have to do with anything. All I was saying was that (in this case) a computer guy would not have any idea how Knifebomber would use his knife. I don't want this to turn into a flame against mr44, that is not how it is intended. I am sure that he has more $$$ to spend on knives than most in the military. I am just saying that in this case, he probably does not have the experience necessary to question Knifebomber about the best knife to carry in a helicopter.

All I am saying is that unless you have experience with knives under similar working conditions, you should probably not question someone elses decision.
 
The main reason I don't own more Striders is the price. I do own an MFS, and it's a great knife no doubt, but really, it's only a piece of Strider steel with some 550 cord on the handle.

I do own a few Busse's, and I find the price to be more reasonable, they take and hold a great edge, and they can take any abuse that I care to put them through.

Just my .02 worth....
 
Never did I bad mouth Busse knives. I commented on Cliff Stamp. Busse makes great tools, but not for what I need them for. As to what I use my knife for, you wouldn't begin to imagine. Is it relevant to my comment....nope. Am I required to provide qualifications to quantify my comments on someone.....nope again. Will I....nope. If you think Cliff's stuff is relevant, more power to you. I still say his reviews are crap.
 
Originally posted by KnifeBomber
Busse makes great tools, but not for what I need them for.
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I hope you don't mind the quote, and my comments are not directed at you, but that really sums up my view on this, which is-it all depends on your personal use.
Preface everything with, IMO.
They are different tools for different purposes.
Take a look at similarly sized Busse and Strider knives. Say a BT, and a Natural Outlaw.
The fully flat ground blade of the Busse should (I say should, because I do not own a BT) make it a more efficient cutting tool. The sabre grind of the BT should(all things being equal-I'm not going to try to compare Strider's ATS-34 and Busse's INFI) be stronger and more suited to prying. To my little mind, the Busse is more "field-use" oriented, while the Strider is more of a "tactical" tool.
I just got a MFS (yeah, it's My First Strider:rolleyes:, but it won't be the last). IMO, it's more of a compromise. Thinner stock and relatively high grind make for decent cutting, but it's still strong enough for prying (I've been tearing up crates and pallets, and breaking banding material with it). I like the "compromise", and would like to see a "BS"-a BT with a spearpoint, for better cutting efficiency combined with great strength. I guess that might really be more like a MT without the false edge, now that I think about it. I like the sound of my BS, though(:o).

edit: Been looking at some more pics, and the grinds on the BT are higher than I realized. One awesome looking knife. Trying hard to convince myself that I NEED one:) The more I look, the more I like.
 
defecate as you have on Cliff Stamp's reviews, but they are the best out there so far. Show me anything else that comes close from an unbiased scientific analysis perspective. I don't know the man, but from what I have read - this is not the type of guy who can be bought.

(frankly, what I detect is jealousy on the part of those whose favorite knives have not been reviewed or have not been reviewed favorably by Cliff).

Furthermore, not all his tests are about cutting into helos or other unlikely scenarios; I find his analysis of rust resistance and the like very worthwhile and helpful to my own applications.

Its easy to knock someone, as many people on this thread have done so far - but if you have a problem, show me a better answer. In other words, show me a review that is better than Cliff's... or leave it alone.
 
Personally, I'm going to believe the people that use these knives on an everyday basis before I believe some self proclaimed knife guru that so called "evaluates" knives in his own backyard (no names mentioned/no flame). Evaluation's like that are interesting to read but I certainly don't base my decision on them. They are both great knives, so it really boils down to personal preference. No one can tell you what to buy.

killerkain
 
Contender,
To not see a bias in the reviews is criminally negligent or incredibly naive. I don't think I've seen a review where a Busse wasn't used as a benchmark for his test. That is favoritism...period. And, why would someone be jealous? We don't make them.
 
I'm just curious, but what should he use for a benchmark? Something from frost cutlery?

I too have read a few of Cliff's reviews, and while they are a bit unconventional, they do show which knives can take what level of abuse. For me, this means that I can feel pretty confident that they will easily handle the small amounts of abuse I might subject them to.

Chopping up concrete blocks is really no different than chopping on a steel table leg after all.....:)
 
By using a Busse as his Benchmark, he says that it is the standard to which all others must be held. That is what a benchmark is, after all. By doing so, he is indirectly saying that Busse is the best every time. He even used the Battle Mistress as a benchmark when doing a test on severely different types of blades that had no business being tested against a BM. If it looks like **** and smells like ****, chances are it is **** you stepped in. If you don't like that opinion, then I have another saying from work for you. "Support Search and Rescue......Get lost!"
 
Originally posted by KnifeBomber
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I commented on Cliff Stamp.
Yes, and I think it wasn't really necessary to attack Cliff when this thread had nothing to do with Cliff or Busse as a maker or a Company, as well as your message had nothing to do with Strider knives.

I still say his reviews are crap.
Fine, everyone has an opinion and that's all to it. Though accusing person of whatever you said in your message, is a different thing.

I don't think I've seen a review where a Busse wasn't used as a benchmark for his test
Then read again.

That is favoritism...period.
First of all, I think it's sortta normal to use some constant benchmark(s). And in general you don't want to change it too often.
Secondly, everyone has his/her favirites, including you, so was Cliff excluded from the list of those who can have favorite(s)?
Besides it depends how do you read his rewives. So far I thought Strider knives were very high on his list. may be you're reading them biased?

KB, a person spends his time and money to write those reviews, doesn't look it's my or your tax money.
I am not exactly sure why everyone is becomming so demanding when it is about his reviews, especially that 95% of his critics haven't spent 5% of the time reviewing any knife.

Excuse me, but even though you haven't written a single review one could find you a lot more biased judging just by your messages on this forum.

P.S. Using X as a benchmaerk doesn't mean that X is the best. It can be, but not necessarily.
 
Here's a thought;
Use data from the ASTM, American Society of Metallurgy or American Society of Non Destructive Testing. NASA does.
Duane Dwyer
 
Dwayne, in the upcoming article you cited, will there be relevant references to these organisations? Again, what mag will it appear in? I went to the sites, but yikes! I was lost as to how to apply the info to me as a knife user.

Cliff really gets the conversation going on this site! I too was a bit put off to see what he did to the WB, and that he chopped blocks with it. I called him about my questions, and he was a gentleman and helpful. I learned that his POV and mine are a bit different about what a knife should do, and their design. His reviews reflect how he thinks a knife should perform, and IMHO he lets flat and convex grind, carbon steel blades compare favorably to hollow and saber grind stainless every time. I would not buy what he would. Having said that, I do get some information from his reviews that provoke thought, give additional enlightenment, and some objective measures of cutting and edge holding. Reviewers who want to see if they can bend a knife to more than 45 degrees without lasting damage leave me shaking my head.

One question- Joe Talmadge does some subjective reviews, Cliff does a mix of subjective and objective tests, but short of buying an example of each knife, or relying only on users stating how much arm hair they shave, where are some sources of test data?

I love my MFS, and have an edge on it that is remarkable. It has been great for holding that edge and through uses that are minor tests of toughness. Paul Bos and Strider make me believe in ATS 34. I would not buy a real knife in that material from anyone else. I am 100% sold that not only are the Strider Guys some of the very best people in the business, but they also make a knife that does what is is supposed to, and I will buy more without hesitation. On top of that, the most important thing to me is the guarantee- how can I go wrong with Strider or Busse's guarantee?

Paul
 
I love this forum.... there are folks that admit that they've never seen, much used a Busse, and then they say that they can make an objective decision on which is the best knife. Makes a lot of sense to me.

Then there are folks that want to attack a guy that is doing knife tests and call his work crap, bunk etc. I always like folks that do personal attacks on other folks work. We should all do that more. A guy takes a lot of time to honestly give HIS opinion to folks on how well a knife will last under extreme conditions. (He doesn't do this with wimpy knives, just the ones that makers and manufacturers like to claim are survival knives )

Then you have those that have you believe that they are secret agent types that would have to kill you if they told you what they do.

Makes me want to puke!

I like the stuff that Cliff Stamp does. I may not feel that his tests are pertinate to what I will use the knife for, but it's nice to know what it is capable of.

As far as a standard knife that he uses a lot for comparison, I think that he uses a hand made D-2 and a CPM 3v for a lot of his benchmark comparisons. Yes, he mentions Busses a lot, but the way I read it, there are a lot of areas that the Busses don't stack up against others. However, the Busses seem to stand the test of durability, ease of sharpening, and resistance to being broken in extreme use.

I like Busses.... If you don't, that is OK. Just be a good enough person not to tear down other peoples work and product in a rude and childish manner.

If you don't like the tests that Cliff does, be a REAl hero and actually get off you butt and do some REAL tests, and and gives us some written results in the form of a review. We will all be interested in hearing about them.

I also have gotten a Strider, and I like it too. I am sure it would perform in a very good manner. However, to compare the two, I don't think that I will do the tests that Cliff has done ( don't have the energy nor the inclination)

In closing, quit banging another's work or evaluations. It is rude and childish, and immature.

Don't plan on flaming me either, I won't play. I lurk most of the time.

Thomas Zinn
 
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