Why ?

I don't know. I like having multiples also. I like carrying both types.

One thing that I can say is that I really don't do hardly any kitchen tasks out in the woods. Sheer lazyness, probably. So I don't really care how well a knife slices tomatoes or whatever.

I will say this, however. I've never had one of my thicker knives fail to cut what I wanted to cut. I have had some of my thinner knives break when I didn't want them to break. So I usually err towards strength, knowing I can still cut.

This post makes sense to me, and illustrates why a person would carry multiples. What, for instance, if you wanted to filet a trout. It would certainly be a real pain in the ass to do with a FFBM or a khukuri. The weight and space it takes to carry a small nimble knife is worth it just for this possibility IMHO. Nothing like a trout filet cooked on a plank over a fire! MMMM MMMM. So much easier/better if it came off the skin cleanly.
 
I used to like big thick blades , and I still like big blades , when I was a lot younger I really believed that one day I might have to drive my knife into a tree and use it to stand on ... or that Id have to use it to cut down trees or to lever big rocks out of the way ...

I have seriously revised my thinking over the years tween then and now .

I also kinda got addicted to high speed steel too
 
I fall somewhere in the middle. I do prefer small to midsized knives, but I like 3/16" stock. With a nice flat grind, they still slice great but also provide plenty of brute strength. I tend to be rough on knives, not so much abuse but I want them to perform a certain way. Like prying apart wood. If a maker told me he considered that abuse, I don't think I would buy his knife!
 
When I first started to hunt, camp, and hike my Dad and Grandad had me outfitted as they saw fit. Grandad bought me a Daisy Red Rider BB gun (ya know, for bears and such ;)) and a Buck 110. My Dad bought me a Army surplus GI folding knife. I saved and bought a hatchet from Ace Hardware. All I needed, and nothing I don't right.

Well as I grew up, I figured that bigger, thicker blades were the way to tame the wild. So I saved and bought a ridicules "survival knife" for about $15.00 IIRC. Then I found higher end knives. Once I really started using them, I found out (for me anyway ;)) they were awkward and not really suitable for what I want out of a knife.

Since then I have been using smaller, thinner blades. As far as kitchen knives, not a bad idea. Thought of it before in Green River knives. The 5" utility knife would work fine for me, however I still have the addiction. I like high end hunting/utility knives from good makers.

Lately though I have been on a selling spree. The last three day backpacking trip all I had in the way of blades was a SAK, and my Wetterlings axe.

The more I am leaning twords light weight backpacking the more I can see how a good SAK, and a good saw would be all I need. I'm even going to leave the butcher block at home I think. :D
 
I think we've pretty much reached a consensus on this forum that you cannot be properly equipped in the wilderness if you're only carrying one edged tool. If your knife/axe/khuk/machete etc. is strong enough to chop significant amounts of wood for fire and shelter, by definition it will be cumbersome and extremely inefficient when it comes to tasks like skinning or food prep. Likewise, knives that will skin and prepare food efficiently will not be capable of any significant chopping.

Of course any edged tool can be pressed into service and, used with a degree of care, you should be able to survive a reasonable period of time with it. But when you get beyond just emergency survival and you're talking about actually living and flourishing in the wilderness, you need a tool for detailed tasks and a tool for chopping/harder tasks.

The evidence for this extends back at least 5300 years, when the guy now known as Oetzi lived in a valley in the Tyrollean Alps. What did he carry with him on his fateful trip into the mountains? A wilderness combo - a flint knife in a sheath and a copper axe. At least as important, he didn't forget his bow and arrow or his flint, pyrite and tinder fungus firekit either.
 
I got to agree , even the tribesmen here carried a hatchet and a knife as well as hunting weapons, its not a new philosophy .
They were/are very adept at using their hatchet to do knife work tho , but its a different thing to make a knife do hatchet work .
 
I think we've pretty much reached a consensus on this forum that you cannot be properly equipped in the wilderness if you're only carrying one edged tool.

Well stated.
 
While we're on the subject of Oetzi, here's his combo:

Axe

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Knife

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Sharpener

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And finally, the man himself

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I think we've pretty much reached a consensus on this forum that you cannot be properly equipped in the wilderness if you're only carrying one edged tool. If your knife/axe/khuk/machete etc. is strong enough to chop significant amounts of wood for fire and shelter, by definition it will be cumbersome and extremely inefficient when it comes to tasks like skinning or food prep. Likewise, knives that will skin and prepare food efficiently will not be capable of any significant chopping.

Very true. It's much more comfortable to do things when you've got a really small knife and a really big knife. That's the way I like it, and that's also why medium size knives (5" of blade or so) don't usually really appeal to me.

So, I carry a small knife so I can actually do some small work comfortably. FFBMs and such are fun, but you can't do anything that requires precision with them - not comfortably.
 
Man, that guy has seen better days.
 
For me, the design of a kitchen knives is a great staring point simply because they evolved with a form following function. In my opinion most of the big hopeful monsters are simply a product of a competitive marketplace, with a maker/manufacturer needing some gimmick to differentiate his product from the rest.

Boo – Unnecessary thickness, trademark features of makers that are retained even though they have no bearing, or even an adverse bearing on the performance. One can almost imagine the maker wondering, “how do I squeeze in my X hole on this knife”. That sucks. Then there's the stealth bomber grinds, the looks like an uber-weapon, and the rest of whatever that tacti-cool sh1te is all about. I believe the one big survival knife thing taps into an eager market riddled with imagery of the lone heroic survivor and his trusty do it all knife. You know the ones. Townies love the romance of them. It could be a zombie slayer, protect from bear attack, bring down a gazelle steaks, provide shelter from radiation, gnaw through wood faster than a herd of beavers on amphetamines, and has the brute majesty to enable one to sacrifice a trapped limb on the way to delivering a box of Milk Tray. And of course operators in the know, whose units have a significant government contract with that vendor, will know how to silently sharpen a pencil with it to attach a note to the aforementioned box of Milk Tray whilst simultaneously and cunningly utilizing this seasons vogue drain paint colour to avoid reflections attracting the enemy. Fantastic. A true warriors edge. It can make water and protect from cholera.

In the real world, and certainly with the information age thing going on, I think most of us have wised up. The planet has gone all small, and it's hard enough avoiding people when you want to, so the evoked imagery of man vs a huge expanse of nature wilts somewhat. Urban legends of what soldiers actually carry and use often fail as information flows. Mountain man isn't out there at the next wrong turn tooled exclusively with some monster bowie and surviving in style, and the chances are he never has been. The Milky Bar Kid might have only one great looking huge knife but neither he nor Mick Dundee ever found it having excellence in its singleness of purpose. It typifies the jack of all trades that mastered nothing.

I'm fairly confident the reason why the great big thick pry-bar type knives are so under represented on this section on the site is that so many members seem to live in the real world rather than just in their heads. Kit gets tried and tested in real use by members that actually use them, rather than just looking for an excuse to use them – ooh, I peeled an apple, ooh I cut paper, ooh, I went into the garden and made a pointy stick, ooh look, I'm a dickhead, I tried cut a rock". There's all sorts here from casual campers, through servicemen, to hunters. Hardly any of these actual users seems to prefer the jack of all trades. In fact, the whole Nessmuk trinity often espoused seems geared to task excellence, even if there is some overlap.

On that, I believe the starting point of a kitchen knife design is eminently sensible. It is a tool that 'll do what most users seem to do most often, without looking for things to do. One can modify that design for other tasks, as a natural evolution. Here I'm thinking of all sorts from WWII Kamfmesser / Nahkampfmesser types to the gorgeousness that is Trace Rinaldi's Tactical Kitchen Knife .Kitchen knives are shaped the way they are as a product of numerous performance refinements that work. As such they are like the brilliance of a sheepdog. It's a fine starting point, and in many cases a great endpoint too. I consider Gossman's and many BRKTs, and even some aspects of the ASH, as not may deviations away from kitchen knives, and look at the acclaim they get. Solid design.


[I have not mentioned the materials many kitchen knives are made from because there were not relevant to my comments on size / design].
 
Multiple knives for different tasks is the way to go, is this part of survival also ?? overlapping ?? having more than one resource ?
Most wilderness survival scenarios -- and real life WS situations -- involve limited man-made resources. So it is nice to be able to use what you have to cover the broadest possible range of tasks. (A paper coffee filter is a water filter, fire-starter, signaling device, dressing, note paper - whatever.) In that context, a knife that CAN split firewood and make a fuzz stick is favored over two knives, each of which do some tasks better than the other knife/tool. "You do not care, after all, if your salami slices are a little ragged when you are happy to be slicing salami ar all."

(Not that I carry only one cutting tool. :D)
 
Man, that guy has seen better days.

True. But I bet it never occurred to him that 5300 years after his death a bunch of guys in places he never knew existed (Australia and America) would be discussing his knife and axe combo.

Is the Hatchet Bronze??

No, its 99.7% copper, with a yew wood handle about 60 cm long.
 
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