Why ?

Ya know, I've been sitting here wondering whether I should even reply, but what the hell. I like big blades and small blades, and carry both. But, I just want to point out that big blades can indeed process small game quickly & easily. I've cleaned a bunch of squirrels with a 2 foot bowie knife. If anything it was actually faster than using a folder or small fixed blade. Those here who decry such use must either have not given it an honest try for themselves, or if they did, they're trying to use the big blade like they would a small blade, which may be the real problem. At least that's about the only explanations I can come up with. Feel free to explain.
 
While we're on the subject of Oetzi, here's his combo:

Axe

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Knife

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Sharpener

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Not too far from a sak and a hatchet, with a small pocket hone tossed in.
 
I would just like to point out that Oetzi's combo obviously did not serve him very well...the guy is DEAD and this is a SURVIVAL forum. Now, if he were ALIVE, then clearly his tools would be working. But seeing as he's obviously failed to survive in the first place, unlike all of us who are alive RIGHT NOW, I conclude that we all have a better understanding of survival than he did.

Sheesh, you guys are taking survival information from a guy who failed to survive...talk about counterproductive!
 
I think some Scientist found that he died of a blow to the head or bled to death due to being shot in the back with an arrow. So we don't know for sure if he died from exposure or was killed. So its tough to say his equipment failed him.
 
I would just like to point out that Oetzi's combo obviously did not serve him very well...the guy is DEAD and this is a SURVIVAL forum. Now, if he were ALIVE, then clearly his tools would be working. But seeing as he's obviously failed to survive in the first place, unlike all of us who are alive RIGHT NOW, I conclude that we all have a better understanding of survival than he did.

Sheesh, you guys are taking survival information from a guy who failed to survive...talk about counterproductive!


Your post above is speculative and very generalized at it's best.

We have no idea why he died really, but evidence is leading twords being killed by other people. As far as what his knowledge of survival might have been, I would bet good $$$ on the fact that he could have shown everyone on this forum a few things about survival. He managed to make it to a ripe old age of 35-40 over 5000 years ago. Most people put in that same situation from current times wouldn't last three weeks before curling up in the fetal position and calling for Mama no matter what tools you gave them.
 
misanthropist-
It's been a while since I read about him, but I think Oetzi could have gotten better "survival" advice in prac tac, seeing as how it was the arrow lodged in his back/shoulder that killed him. Not cold, starvation, etc. that you seem to be hinting at. :)

Oops. I see others were faster at typing than me.
 
"So you figure if he hadn't been murdered, he'd still be with us today or what?"

Funny, no. I was just saying that his equipment might not have failed him. I am sure the most experienced and knowledgeable survivalist(not me) won't be around in 500 years, that doesn't mean we can't learn from them after they past.
 
I hate explaining jokes but here goes anyway...


THE GUY WAS ALIVE 5000 YEARS AGO. I AM MAKING A JOKE ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE IS DEAD BECAUSE IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.

Note the sentence part about "I conclude that we know more than he did because we are all alive." But he couldn't be alive today, because he would be five thousand years old.

Okay?
 
OHhh... You know how literal things can get on forums. Throw a big grin in there next time:D
 
I would just like to point out that Oetzi's combo obviously did not serve him very well...the guy is DEAD and this is a SURVIVAL forum. Now, if he were ALIVE, then clearly his tools would be working. But seeing as he's obviously failed to survive in the first place, unlike all of us who are alive RIGHT NOW, I conclude that we all have a better understanding of survival than he did.

Sheesh, you guys are taking survival information from a guy who failed to survive...talk about counterproductive!

From the ashes of disaster, grow the roses of success :rolleyes:
 
Ya know, I've been sitting here wondering whether I should even reply, but what the hell. I like big blades and small blades, and carry both. But, I just want to point out that big blades can indeed process small game quickly & easily. I've cleaned a bunch of squirrels with a 2 foot bowie knife. If anything it was actually faster than using a folder or small fixed blade. Those here who decry such use must either have not given it an honest try for themselves, or if they did, they're trying to use the big blade like they would a small blade, which may be the real problem. At least that's about the only explanations I can come up with. Feel free to explain.

In clarification I'd like to point out I have nothing against big knives as such. My beef is with the big useless pry-bar school, especially when compared to knives that have clearly evolved their usefulness from a pedigree of kitchen utensils or camp knives that had to earn their corn. Just because a knife is big, or indeed very big, doesn't make it crap. Plenty of people designs great ones that we can see right here on this forum. Further, as a matter of principle, I'd support anyone that chose to carry a big one. The reason being that here in England there is such an anti-knife jackboot there are many that would have us limited to the same poxy Mora we used with a length of orange nylon crab-line when we were pre-teen, save for now they'd probably want it round ended.

As for a 24” bowie performing just as well if not better than as a small fixed blade on game, well I have no experience of that. I have lopped the head and hands of numerous woodland critters with a golok, and yeah it was a lot less effort than finding joints.

What I was really driving at was something like this – [that they are all from the same source is just a matter of laziness on my part].

Here's a classic hopeful monster marketed under; “Tough Men Temper Like Steel...They Learn To Endure”. I wonder what it is good at. Then I compare it to the Rinaldi's Tactical Kitchen Knife I linked to earlier and I wonder how it could exist, [especially at a price point many teenagers might find a stretch] -

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Go a bit bigger and I'm wondering even more. Although this one has the “hunter's point”, so I figure even though it is not for slicing and would be out performed by a machete, and so on, some hunters love to crush their game with a great big spear point. I think I'd do better with a decent butchers knife -

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Taking the theme in the opposite direction and we can arrive at POS #3 for “When Calling For Help Is Not An Option” -

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mmm, I'm loathed to post it because the picture is so embarrassingly bad, but here's one of my kitchen knives around the same size. I know which one would be more useful to me in the sticks without imagining I'm in some Hollywood fantasy.

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I hate explaining jokes but here goes anyway...


THE GUY WAS ALIVE 5000 YEARS AGO. I AM MAKING A JOKE ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE IS DEAD BECAUSE IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO.

Note the sentence part about "I conclude that we know more than he did because we are all alive." But he couldn't be alive today, because he would be five thousand years old.

Okay?

I'm scared and confused. :D:D:D

{note three smiles to convey that I'm being sarcastic}


Copy that misanthropist. ;)
 
Pit,

I think there is a general ebb and flow on the forum from large knife to small and back again because of one main reason. Most of us are knife nuts and enjoy playing with different steel. I am pondering trying some large knives because I have my smaller knives that work for me. I think I am like most and need to try different knives while I am outdoors.

I agree with you that decent kitchen knife would excel at Slicing tasks. I also think that one has to take into consideration the specific task we wish the kife to accomplish. I don't think I would feel completely confident going outdoors for any legnth of time with my paring knife. But that's just me.

I am not sure if I stayed focused on this reply, but those are some of my random thoughts.

Paul
 
I figure if one wants to know what is effective out in the boonies, just look at what people carried back when going through the booneis was a way of life.

The old mountain men went pretty far into the outdoor suvival relm with a green river knife and a hatchet or 'hawk. The green river knife and the English made ones that were used long before John Russell started his company were in effect large butcher knives. It seems they were onto the Nessmuck thing long before Mr. Sears was even born.

In the jungle wilderness parts of the world, most machete's, parang's, and assorted bush knives seem to be 1/8 and under. A thick Golok of mine is 5/32.

Most panga's on the African contenent seem to be 1/8 and under.

The examples of the long knives, or prroperly called the great knife, carried durring the frontier period of the French-Indian war seem to be 1/8 and under. They of course were teamed up with a godd 'hawk.

Even examining navel cutlasses of the 1700's, blade thickness is way thinner than one would think. I can only conclude that the thick bladed sharp pry bar is something for/by the people who read certain magazines and need more impresive toys. If you're going to chop, carry a tool made for chopping. If you're going to cut, carry a tool made for cutting.
 
Hey Pit...

might just be we're a bunch of knife junkies working to rationalize our search for the "next, most closely perfect, blade." :)

Might be.




Kis
enjoy every sandwich
 
My biggest blade is my ratmandu, and it's at the extreme end of my knife spectrum for the bigger knives. It is thick and I am sure it could do some chopping, but I don't think I would carry it much in the wilds, the fox river suits my needs. But I still love it and will find excuses to use it if I can.
 
Steps cautiously forward; stumbles back... rallies; squares shoulders, slightly lifts chin
and strides boldly off the precipice :eek: :

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As a SAR volunteer in the backcountry of Washington's Cascade Mountains, experience
has landed me with this being as close to the 'perfect' knive I've used (.27":o).
Cringes, waiting for the flames...

Mind you; I also have a SAK, Leatherman and lockblade as EDC, including on missions.

Having broken enough knives, I like knowing tools are up to most any task.

Just my $.02...

Cheers,
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Vary your sources, practice your methods.
 
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