Why?

I'm on vacation for a week. Go with the flow in new settings. I will be carrying a SAK or Traditional for my utility needs. Though when I am home its a Delica or Military.

Be an example setter, as long as it doesn't get you in real trouble. Use a knife, and when someone makes a big deal of your knife just shrug it off as if they are simply overreacting, cut what needs to be cut, and put your knife back. If you really needed a knife then you justified using your tool. --->Cleaning your nails with a 4 inch knife while waiting in line at a fast food restaurant does not count.

I carry a knife clipped everywhere I go. Just to set it in a good image. I never point a knife at anyone, make sudden moves, reference it as a SD item.

If someone has a problem with you using a knife when one is beneficial then I don't care anyway. Same goes for the gun I carry "YES IT IS FOR SELF DEFENSE:eek:" Most people know I carry a gun, if they don't like it... tough. I am a responsible individual. Better to set a good example then to conform to BS.

A quote that slightly relates I'll let you all decipher it as you see fit, "Better to die on you feet, than to live on you knees."
 
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So, why does our current society view knife carriers in such a negative light?

A knife is a tool... some people have misused tools and therefore have put the tools in a bad light? What are your thoughts on this?

ex. I wore a knife to physical therapy in my pocket and my pt saw it and had a heart attack. I think our modern society for the most part views knives as weapons and not tools. Anyone agree with me?
Not hatin, just wondering what your opinion is. . .

I am retired LEO and wore my knife AND gun to PT.

they knew and never said diddly squat.

I kept it very low profile,but its my choice.

And if they had a problem with that = there are many other places to get rehab.

Its a tool,and when I tell them that its the same as a fire extinguisher,hammer,file,saw,auto etc - most get it.
 
I think one of the main reasons that society in general views knives in such a negative manner is in part based on the views concerning knives that is held by our government and their anti knife and gun mentality manages to sink its way into to the common citizen. They want to teach us to fear the object itself, which on it's on, isn't even dangerous. It's the person using the knife in a dangerous manor that makes it dangerous. In my view, a knife is a tool first and a weapon second, but the sad thing is a lot of people don't see it that way. This needs to change. A lot of the negative connotations regarding knives comes from news sources, which focus on the negative instead of the positive and thus give people a skewed view of what is actually happening. The people that end up stabbing someone else with a knife represent a very small portion of us knife carriers and users. Sorry about the ramble, but I think I got my point across.
 
I think it is partially societal, upbringing, personal views/beliefs on "weapons", etc.
It is also area driven. Up here in Northern NY where outdoor sports of every type are the norm it is not odd to see people with a knife in there pocket, attached to a belt, etc...that also includes the "Leatherman" type of tool/knife.
Most people, especially in urban areas really have no or little need to carry a knife and unfortunately some react badly or negatively when seeing one. I wonder if they think that person may be prone to violence rather than carrying a simple tool.

Knife attacks in the news are also more sensational than a shooting. I remember a spate of slashings several years ago, by young women against other young women. The weapon of choice was a simple razor blade box cutter...not a Delica or Griptillian...just a simple $2.00 tool.
Also there was a lot of stabbings in Britian...again by young men on other young men...it made all the papers because it seemed there were many incidents every day and face it stabbings and especially slashings are much more gruesome than a "simple" gun shot wound.

It is also interesting to note the weapons used in the vast majority of attacks...other than the few "samurai sword" attacks that crop up now and then...are simple, inexpensive and readily available blades instruments...box cutters and kitchen cutlery prevail...thinking about it were I to commit a crime with a knife I'd certainly want to use a knife I'd simply toss after the incident. Certainly I'd not use my favorite EDC...Yipes ! throw away my favorite knife...absurd...especially considering how much it cost...I can buy a lot of box cutters for what I paid for my mini-barrage.

I'd not pay much attention to someone appearing shocked at my having a knife. People are what they are...take em or leave em...But I don't make a habit of waving my knife around or using it to clean my nails in a checkout line...besides bad manners and all sorts of hygiene issues it is just inconsiderate of those around me.
 
The short answer:

1 - many people have a pervasive belief that they are weak, victimized and oppressed, which is usually brought about by poor parenting
2 - their response is to attack or otherwise seek revenge on those who they perceive as their superiors, their oppressors or any person or institution they believe is "winning" at life. They believe that something "unfair" must have resulted in them being weak and victimized, while someone else is strong and "winning".
3 - to them, a knife is objective evidence that the other person is in some respects "superior", because the knife allows the knife owner to impose his will on the weak. And as they believe it is "unfair" for someone else to be superior, they feel morally justified in creating workplace environments, social morays and statutes of law which prevent other persons from carrying knives. After all, its only "fair" that the oppressor be made weak and oppressed.

Notice that I said "belief" and "perceive" and "feel", because this worldview is purely subjective and emotional. Those who feel weak and victimized are not in actually objectively weak and victimized, and those who they believe are "superior" or "stronger" or "better" are not actually so. Its all about perception and emotion.

i agree
 
The answer is simple - people are afraid of something that they don't fully understand.

We also have to face the fact that knives are the weapon of choice of crackheads.
 
I'm lucky enough to live in an area (South Carolina) where people don't bat an eye to knives. I can pull out something fairly large (noexhibitionist) and the most common reaction is, "Hey, that's a nice knife!".

Unfortunately, I've been in areas quite the opposite, also. In those areas, any and everything to them is a possible weapon. Ironically, these are often extremely safe areas practically free of violent crimes. These are often the same kinds of people that would ban broken broomsticks if they could. Won't go into any political debate over this, even though this sort of mentality is what is all boils down to. I could be an ass and remind them that I could also choose to kill with the ballpoint pen I have in my pocket if I wanted to, but I'm not a huge fan of having the cops called on me.

In vain, I've tried to explain to these same people that a knife - even a modest to large one - is a tool, not a weapon unless absolutely necessary. For whatever reason, these brainwashed dolts who live in the most crime-free parts of America refuse to believe that anyone could possibly carry anything larger than a toothpick without intending to commit strong armed robbery. I politely decline any further debate and just ignore them.

Some people are worth your time; but some time just ain't worth the people.
 
There are understood rules of behavior with a knife as I mentioned briefly up top. I feel if all the mall ninjas would disappear we would have a much easier time dealing with common sense situations.

I am trying hard not to get political here, as mentioned by GAN84 above. How can I not though?

Its not one side or another, past a certain point. Its the subliminal propaganda that is shown to us everyday. Anyone heard of the Overton window?

I am not picking sides here. I'm just continuing a philosophical discussion more or less.
 
P2P - I have a feeling I'd completely agree with practically anything you'd say regarding this whole thing, but I've always been taught to never discuss politics or religion in polite company. However, much of what's being discussed goes beyond that and veers into the realm of social dysfunction, IMHO. Haven't been on BF long at all, but from what I've seen, intelligent folks can talk about politics without getting too political about it, if that makes any sense.

Sorry for my long-winded nature; I'm a few sheets to the wind just glad to be here :p
 
The short answer:

1 - many people have a pervasive belief that they are weak, victimized and oppressed, which is usually brought about by poor parenting
2 - their response is to attack or otherwise seek revenge on those who they perceive as their superiors, their oppressors or any person or institution they believe is "winning" at life. They believe that something "unfair" must have resulted in them being weak and victimized, while someone else is strong and "winning".
3 - to them, a knife is objective evidence that the other person is in some respects "superior", because the knife allows the knife owner to impose his will on the weak. And as they believe it is "unfair" for someone else to be superior, they feel morally justified in creating workplace environments, social morays and statutes of law which prevent other persons from carrying knives. After all, its only "fair" that the oppressor be made weak and oppressed.

Notice that I said "belief" and "perceive" and "feel", because this worldview is purely subjective and emotional. Those who feel weak and victimized are not in actually objectively weak and victimized, and those who they believe are "superior" or "stronger" or "better" are not actually so. Its all about perception and emotion.

My thinking runs along tracks that are more or less parallel to these. Some differences in phrasing and reasoning, but pretty close. What I describe below may sound like it's substantially different, but it is of much the same theme and spirit. It's mostly the result of observable behavior, and a descriptive framework to help express what I understand about that.


There is (for lack of a better word) a pathology about certain people that inclines them to attempt to negate or neutralize anyone perceived as being strong, able, effective, or creative. I will refer to such people as proto-antisocial (not a clinical term). These are -- at least the hard core ones -- a very small segment of the population, maybe one and a half or two percent. That little spot way over on one end of the "control-freak" bell curve. Threatened by independent thinking and creativity, they seek control of others through means of nullification.

Perhaps twenty percent of the population is "in sway of" this proto-antisocial crowd, and the resulting apparency is that there are more rabid "hero haters" than there actually are. Nonetheless, this twenty percent is very hard to reason with, given that they have a kind of pain avoidance response to the proto-antisocials which tends to make it hard to have a rational conversation on certain topics. Think of these people as the unwitting minions of the antisocials.

A knife is a tool. The implication of carrying such a tool is that a person is a) not intimidated by sharp things (strength), b) in control of his environment (able, effective), and c) capable of independent action and thought (creative). Seen in this way, a knife is a "symbol" of power and control, whose owner may actually be capable of making things happen and controlling events.

Independence and power and self-determinism are intolerable to the proto-antisocial, who only feels safe when things are stopped and people rendered incapable and ineffective. They will prevail upon the minions to make things uncomfortable or miserable for anyone not conforming to some acceptably introverted profile. This is done using whatever tools are available: legislation, regulation, PR campaigns & propaganda, education, and indoctrination.


The good news is that, while the proto-antisocial and his minions may swing a lot of weight, they are not the majority.

The other eighty percent of people are reasonable, rational, productive people, and a well-reasoned conversation will often be all it takes to fix the false impressions from propaganda and establish that a willingness to control one's environment and to be properly equipped and prepared is not an indicator of insanity or criminal intent, but rather the sign of a healthy mind and outlook.


How did the antisocial control freaks get that way? That's beyond the scope of this discussion. You need only be aware that they're out there, and that a not-insignificant portion of the population tends to mimic that viewpoint.

The fact that there really aren't that many (as a proportion) of these folk is not to say that they can't be a real hazard to your well being. Some several of these will actively work to position themselves in places of authority, and that can result in hostile work environments, in spite of the fact that all your peers are just fine with tools and the self determinism they imply.



I've had the opportunity to engage at the "minion" level, and discovered that "ordinariness" works well to draw the sting from the usual attack vectors. I carry more than one knife. That is seen as "unusual" by some. Well, in addition to the usual "right tool for the job" argument and the "spare tire & fire extinguisher" idiom, I also carry multiple pens, multiple flashlights, multiple Fresnel magnifiers, multiple gas cards and Visa cards. So in the end, when the "but why do you carry more than one knife" question lands, at the very least I have the "why not, I carry two of everything else" response.

I'm generally seen as the "gadget guy" and that earns me requests to borrow this or that, or "can you open this" requests.

It's quirky, but it's not threatening.

As some of the other guys have already mentioned, at least one of my EDC items is a "cute" or "refined" pocket knife -- usually a slipjoint -- that is almost universally acceptable. If I pull out my green-handled John Deere medium stockman or my Paul Presto and someone wisecracks about a "weapon" I have a quiver of ready responses, which I've almost never had to use. Calling a cute or refined pocket knife "dangerous" or a "weapon" will at the very least get my Spock Eyebrow and a "really?" or some vastly exaggerated brag about the gang of bikers I cut up with my awesome two-inch blade. "Yeah, man, they was shakin' in they boots when I whipped out my plus-five pocket knife of pain and terror."​


It's a mistake to hide from interaction, just as much as it's a mistake to flaunt "tactical" hardware around squishy thinkers.

We've lost a lot of ground in this country, and we've slid from a "culture of competence" from my boyhood -- when we all carried a knife at school -- into a kind of "culture of cowardice" where it's chic to be frightened of tools.

That's ground we need to win back. It's a gradual thing, but it is actually winnable.

Send signals that are easy to receive: have a "civilian friendly" gent's knife on hand for everyday social environments. Be willing to receive and handle the signals that are sent back to you: gently explain how ordinary and sensible it all is.

We win when knives in pockets and on belts are once again completely unremarkable.


 
I'm lucky enough to live in an area (South Carolina) where people don't bat an eye to knives. I can pull out something fairly large (noexhibitionist) and the most common reaction is, "Hey, that's a nice knife!".

Unfortunately, I've been in areas quite the opposite, also. In those areas, any and everything to them is a possible weapon. Ironically, these are often extremely safe areas practically free of violent crimes. These are often the same kinds of people that would ban broken broomsticks if they could. Won't go into any political debate over this, even though this sort of mentality is what is all boils down to. I could be an ass and remind them that I could also choose to kill with the ballpoint pen I have in my pocket if I wanted to, but I'm not a huge fan of having the cops called on me.

In vain, I've tried to explain to these same people that a knife - even a modest to large one - is a tool, not a weapon unless absolutely necessary. For whatever reason, these brainwashed dolts who live in the most crime-free parts of America refuse to believe that anyone could possibly carry anything larger than a toothpick without intending to commit strong armed robbery. I politely decline any further debate and just ignore them.

Some people are worth your time; but some time just ain't worth the people.

I live in SC as well. I'm happy that they changed the blade laws from 2" to no length restriction. In fact, carrying rifles, shotguns, swords etc is also acceptable so long as no intent to harm others is displayed. Sometimes, I love the south. I carry a Kershaw Blur, SAK Huntsman in a pouch on my right side, and an ESEE Izula II scout style in the middle of my back set for right hand draw. I also carried an incredibly sharp axe head into I don't know how many stores this morning looking for a particular haft, and no one said a word. Funny how, when people don't associate a sharp object with violence, they change their whole tune.
 
What usually is forgotten : knife is an inanimate object. When stated that it is a tool, it is correct.
However, what usually freaks out the 'sheepies' is the fact that 'someone' carries it and having it ready to be used, all the time. This is the 'fear factor' or 'superiority' issue for them, that someone among them is having a tool to 'harm' (they usually thinks the negative aspect, instead of positively, such as 'help') at the ready.

I carry, and use it when needed such as opening my instant coffee pack. Since it's among sheepies, I use the smallest from those I carry.
 
Holy crap, there's someone more long-winded than me!

Read it in the morning after the drums stop and you will notice that although long it is well written. You don't have to go very far on this forum to find a bunch of posts asking about what knife is the best to disembowel zombies or muggers. Those who view knives as preferred weapons are probably a small percentage on here and overall they get good advice to go recharge their brains. Still, they are out there making the general population nervous. Worse still is the guy who sells knives with his advertising videos of him using his swords to chop up pig shoulders and such.....what a nut but his marketing target is the 'gotta have me a two handed Rob Roy sword' bunch.
 
Add to this the "tactical" designs that have run rampant. Did grandpa carry a rajah II or a ZT301 on the farm? Nope. Tactical knives are designed to be used as weapons. That seems to be what tactical aims for anyway.Try using a slipjoint in place of a huge tactical folder and you'll probably get a different response from people. Traditional slipjoints don't tend to look very threatening and they are certainly not designed for urban tacticool mall ninja combat scenarios.

This.

I know a lot of people carry tactical or self defense oriented knives. Let's be honest, these things are weapons that ~can~ be used as tools not tools that are 'misunderstood'. The OP never stated what type or size of knife he had so I cannot judge this particular instance but a lot of what is called bleeting of the sheeple is in actuality unease because of being around someone handling a weapon. When you weaponize a simple pocket knife it is recognized as such. When you whip out a relatively huge blade that is good for defense purposes and, consequently, poor at usual pocket knife chores... well what do you expect. The OP didn't specify whether that was the case or not.

Hell I grew up in the backwoods, every boy and most every man I knew carried a pocket knife and 90% it seemed hunted and had guns/rifles. To this day I still do not like being around someone handling a firearm unless I know who they are and their intents. Someone I don't know starts playing around with a firearm or whips out 4+ inch tactical blade in public?

Believe me when I tell you that pondering on their 'superiority' is not exactly what is going through my mind.

Will
 
Can't imagine if you had a gun on you!

I regularly have to let the doctor or other provider know I have a gun. The other day I was fitted for a tux for my sister's wedding, and really surprised the guy.
 
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