Wicked Edge / Edge Pro

[vegasracer]

Wicked Edge has recently introduced rounded stones for use on recurve blades. They seem to work well on my knives, and expand the universe of blades that can be sharpened with this machine.

For the record, I'm very satisfied with my WE.

 

[soapboxpreacher]

Wicked Edge has recently introduced rounded stones for use on recurve blades. They seem to work well on my knives, and expand the universe of blades that can be sharpened with this machine.

For the record, I'm very satisfied with my WE.

I saw that, but wow when you add all this stuff these sharpening systems get ultra expensive! To add these round stones, ultra fine, and the leather strops we are talking over $350!!!!!!!!!!! That is all in of course.

 

[elkpro1]

I have tried all them clamp systems they work great until you try to duplicate the angle on a touch up in the field , then I came up with my own method {refer to "easiest edge to resharpen in the field thread''} then buy a 2 sided dmt and a marks alot

 

[soapboxpreacher]

I have tried all them clamp systems they work great until you try to duplicate the angle on a touch up in the field , then I came up with my own method {refer to "easiest edge to resharpen in the field thread''} then buy a 2 sided dmt and a marks alot

Did a search for that thread...couldnt find it. Post the link if you can dig it up...thanks

 

[Medic1210]

I just ordered the Wicked Edge yesterday, and figured I'd hop on here and search for threads about it. I've watched all the videos on the Edge Pro and Wicked Edge I could find, and to me, it seems like the Wicked Edge is probably more consistent. It has better angle markings from what I can tell, with 1 degree graduated increments whereas the EP has just colored dots for common angles. Seems to me that the primary grind of the blade may affect the angle that it lays on the EP, whereas the WE always clamps the knife vertically at 90 degrees. I also like the fact that the WE has the depth key so you're always mounting your knives at the same depth. Seems you don't have to worry about taping or scratching the blade on the WE like you do on the EP system. I like the WE uses diamond stones, so you never have to worry about hollowing the stones out, or wearing them out like you do on the EP. I purchased everything except the rounded stones from WE. In addition to the base system, I got the extra fine stones, as well as both sets of strops with the 4 different grits of diamond paste and the granite mounting base. I see no reason why the WE strops and diamond paste that goes down to 4 micron grit can't put just as mirrored an edge as the EP with polishing tape, if not better. Probably the main reason that made me go ahead with my purchase is the fact that the WE is running a 20% off promotion until their backorders are filled. This saved me $86. I was a little disappointed at the fact that UPS and Priority Mail shipping were both over $35, but I guess the system is a bit heavy with the stone base. It said shipping weight was over 37 pounds. Anyway, I got an email stating that my order would likely ship by November 15, so if you're on the fence about these two systems, you can get 20% off if you act quickly with the WE. I would imagine the promotion won't go much past November 15 if my new order is expected to be filled by then. They said they were only extending the promotion until the backorders are filled, so just something to think about. 20% is a nice chunk of savings when you consider the system I got totaled over $430. Anyway, it's going to be at least a month before I'll be able to use it, 'cause I'm currently in Afghanistan, and won't come home on leave until mid December. I can't wait to put a wicked edge on all my knives, including the new Benchmade Rift and Kulgera I just received.

As an aside, in regards to those two knives, I gotta say I'm a little less thrilled with the new axis profile. I have a few other Axis knives (806-D2, 941, 921 and 940) and the axis lock 'button' on those stick out further, and are easier to hit with my index finger. The way I open the knives is by pulling the lock with my index and flicking the blade open. My 940 series is so easy to do. These two new knives have axis locks that are much smoother, and lower profiled, meaning I can't pull it with my index finger nearly as quick. I really wish BM would have kept the original axis button design. Now I have to flick the blade with my thumb, and that's nowhere near as fast as using the axis lock to deploy my blade. Also, what's with the almost micro sized bevel BM puts on their edges now? My 930 has an edge bevel that's got to be close to 0.25mm. The edges are about as wide as a standard paper staple. My older BMs have much wider edge bevels. No biggie I guess. I'll just reprofile them on my new WE system when I get home.

Sorry for the sidetrack.

 

[atony]

FFG blades are a challenge on the Wicked Edge.

 

[ricklee4570]

I just ordered the Wicked Edge yesterday, and figured I'd hop on here and search for threads about it. I've watched all the videos on the Edge Pro and Wicked Edge I could find, and to me, it seems like the Wicked Edge is probably more consistent. It has better angle markings from what I can tell, with 1 degree graduated increments whereas the EP has just colored dots for common angles. Seems to me that the primary grind of the blade may affect the angle that it lays on the EP, whereas the WE always clamps the knife vertically at 90 degrees. I also like the fact that the WE has the depth key so you're always mounting your knives at the same depth. Seems you don't have to worry about taping or scratching the blade on the WE like you do on the EP system. I like the WE uses diamond stones, so you never have to worry about hollowing the stones out, or wearing them out like you do on the EP. I purchased everything except the rounded stones from WE. In addition to the base system, I got the extra fine stones, as well as both sets of strops with the 4 different grits of diamond paste and the granite mounting base. I see no reason why the WE strops and diamond paste that goes down to 4 micron grit can't put just as mirrored an edge as the EP with polishing tape, if not better. Probably the main reason that made me go ahead with my purchase is the fact that the WE is running a 20% off promotion until their backorders are filled. This saved me $86. I was a little disappointed at the fact that UPS and Priority Mail shipping were both over $35, but I guess the system is a bit heavy with the stone base. It said shipping weight was over 37 pounds. Anyway, I got an email stating that my order would likely ship by November 15, so if you're on the fence about these two systems, you can get 20% off if you act quickly with the WE. I would imagine the promotion won't go much past November 15 if my new order is expected to be filled by then. They said they were only extending the promotion until the backorders are filled, so just something to think about. 20% is a nice chunk of savings when you consider the system I got totaled over $430. Anyway, it's going to be at least a month before I'll be able to use it, 'cause I'm currently in Afghanistan, and won't come home on leave until mid December. I can't wait to put a wicked edge on all my knives, including the new Benchmade Rift and Kulgera I just received.

As an aside, in regards to those two knives, I gotta say I'm a little less thrilled with the new axis profile. I have a few other Axis knives (806-D2, 941, 921 and 940) and the axis lock 'button' on those stick out further, and are easier to hit with my index finger. The way I open the knives is by pulling the lock with my index and flicking the blade open. My 940 series is so easy to do. These two new knives have axis locks that are much smoother, and lower profiled, meaning I can't pull it with my index finger nearly as quick. I really wish BM would have kept the original axis button design. Now I have to flick the blade with my thumb, and that's nowhere near as fast as using the axis lock to deploy my blade. Also, what's with the almost micro sized bevel BM puts on their edges now? My 930 has an edge bevel that's got to be close to 0.25mm. The edges are about as wide as a standard paper staple. My older BMs have much wider edge bevels. No biggie I guess. I'll just reprofile them on my new WE system when I get home.

Sorry for the sidetrack.

You can use the Edge Pro Polish Tapes on the W.E. too. Just order a blank set of hones. They are cheap ($15.00 for two). I mounted 3000 grit on one side and 6000 on the other.

 

[ricklee4570]

FFG blades are a challenge on the Wicked Edge.

There are a lot of blade styles (my leatherman skeletool) that are a huge challenge on the Edge Pro as well.

Both have their strong and weak points. I havent had too much trouble with FFG on my W.E. but as stated it can be a challenge.

I had almost completed my skeletool on the E.P. when inadvertantly as I was finishing up a 600 grit stroke my hand twisted. There went that edge! It is hard to hold the blade flat without it twisting with the slightest pressure on the E.P.

I now use the W.E. for those styles of blades.

 

[Huck61]

My Wicked Edge is supposed to arrive today. I can't wait to see that Brown Truck!

 

[CrimsonTideShooter]

I absolutely cannot decide between the EP or the WE. Someone just make up my mind for me.

 

[Huck61]

I only know of one person who has tried both & opted for the Edge Pro, but I know several that tried both & kept the Wicked Edge. If you really can't decide, try them both. There are enough of them out there now, that you shouldn't have to drive far to try one out.

 

[BladeChemist]

I absolutely cannot decide between the EP or the WE. Someone just make up my mind for me.

Edge Pro. I still haven't been convinced the W.E. has any advantage over the Edge Pro, save speed of sharpening. My personal opinion.

Put it another way, I wouldn't personally feel right sharpening knives professionally using the Wicked Edge. The Edge Pro, on the other hand, already has a proven track record. It also excels at sharpening any blade that can be lain flat on the blade table- especially full flat ground blades.

Take a look at their Sharpening Information Page. All of their grind profile images showcase knives with flat faces. Many Spydercos and numerous kitchen knives are full-flat ground. In the thick of things the edge it puts on these knives will be offset from center (unless the system uses corrective wedges? ). Looking at some of their stock images (#1, #2, #3) they're using knives with a flat area, and in the beginning of their demo video they're also using a chef's knife that appears to have a flat area (it might be full flat ground, I can't tell). Where are all the full flat ground knives?? Additionally, looking at the their kit there is included "alignment tools" for precision mounting and a knife brace for flexible blades. I see these items as nothing more than trying to pad a design flaw. Sort of like installing extra support pillars on a building to correct a bad design, or solving the lack of flying ability of a rock by attaching a jet engine.

With all that said, the system will still put a very sharp edge on a knife, but I believe it has fundamental disadvantages that limit its use compared to the Edge Pro. If you have the money, go for it. My two cents.

P.S. - I'm also a bit worried about the sharpening motion the system uses- I would be inclined to use a pair of cut-resistant gloves when sharpening.

 

[Twindog]

I absolutely cannot decide between the EP or the WE. Someone just make up my mind for me.

I know the feeling.

First, look at the posts from people who own or have owned both systems and who clearly say which they prefer and why. Most of the opinions you are reading are written by people who don't have both, so they become meaningless as far as comparison goes.

Second, don't worry about it. Both are great systems.

 

[Ankerson]

I know the feeling.

First, look at the posts from people who own or have owned both systems and who clearly say which they prefer and why. Most of the opinions you are reading are written by people who don't have both, so they become meaningless as far as comparison goes.

Second, don't worry about it. Both are great systems.

How about I personally don't like clamp systems or sharpening with Diamonds.

 

[Twindog]

How about I personally don't like clamp systems or sharpening with Diamonds.

You can personally like whatever you want. I have no problem with that. But if you want to tell someone that one system is better than the other when you have haven't tried both, then your opinion is going to be considerably less valuable than if you have used both and you can intelligently describe the pros and cons of each.

Categorical likes and dislikes don't always match up to individual circumstances. You can not like liner locks, and I'm fine with that, too. But you're going to miss out on some incredible knives.

The Wicked Edge system comes with diamond stones, ceramic stones and stropping pads. I've used some of the other clamping systems and never especially liked them. And usually I like diamond stones only to reprofile a blade. But the Wicked Edge is in a whole 'nother league. So is the Edge Pro, but they are very different.

 

[CrimsonTideShooter]

Ok I initially sided with EP and that is going to be my final decision.

Before I order I wanted to make sure that the EP can handle thick blades also, like the one on my esee 5. Can it handle blade thicknesses of 1/4 inch? Thanks guys!

 

[Ankerson]

Ok I initially sided with EP and that is going to be my final decision.

Before I order I wanted to make sure that the EP can handle thick blades also, like the one on my esee 5. Can it handle blade thicknesses of 1/4 inch? Thanks guys!

Yes it can handle them easy. :thumbup:

I sharpen all my Busses on mine.

 

[CrimsonTideShooter]

Yes it can handle them easy. :thumbup:

I sharpen all my Busses on mine.

That's what I wanted to hear. Thanks Jim, I'm ready to finally slice some TP.

 

[Ankerson]

That's what I wanted to hear. Thanks Jim, I'm ready to finally slice some TP.

Don't cut your hand off trying to do it with a big blade.

There is a learning curve with the Edge Pro so practice on cheap knives 1st.

People that are good at freehand sharpening tend to pick it up quick. :thumbup:

 

[Medic1210]

Edge Pro. I still haven't been convinced the W.E. has any advantage over the Edge Pro, save speed of sharpening. My personal opinion.

Put it another way, I wouldn't personally feel right sharpening knives professionally using the Wicked Edge. The Edge Pro, on the other hand, already has a proven track record.

So basically, because the WE is a new design, it's not worthy of professional use? Have you seen the videos for the WE? One of his videos shows him finishing up on a chef's knife, and slicing paper like a champ. Then he takes a bastard file and runs it straight down the egde a few times to totally destroy it. Then, in less than 5 minutes on the WE, he has it slicing paper like a razor again. Pretty impressive demonstration IMHO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzL41ygQG0o&feature=related

It also excels at sharpening any blade that can be lain flat on the blade table- especially full flat ground blades. Take a look at their Sharpening Information Page. All of their grind profile images showcase knives with flat faces. Many Spydercos and numerous kitchen knives are full-flat ground. In the thick of things the edge it puts on these knives will be offset from center (unless the system uses corrective wedges? ). Looking at some of their stock images (#1, #2, #3) they're using knives with a flat area, and in the beginning of their demo video they're also using a chef's knife that appears to have a flat area (it might be full flat ground, I can't tell). Where are all the full flat ground knives?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE85Gavbbww

Additionally, looking at the their kit there is included "alignment tools" for precision mounting and a knife brace for flexible blades. I see these items as nothing more than trying to pad a design flaw. Sort of like installing extra support pillars on a building to correct a bad design, or solving the lack of flying ability of a rock by attaching a jet engine.

Or maybe kinda like the need to tape your blades or the face of the EP to prevent scratches from the metal slurry on the EP? Or how about the need to make a shim for smaller knives to work on the EP?

With all that said, the system will still put a very sharp edge on a knife, but I believe it has fundamental disadvantages that limit its use compared to the Edge Pro.

No system is perfect, or without some compromises. Even the edge pro. The edge pro still requires practice, and a certain amount of finesse with handling the knife. Longer knives require some steady hand to keep it perfectly flat against the rest with one hand while moving the stone with the other. It's not idiot proof by any means. With the WE, once it's clamped in place, it's there. You don't have to worry about the blade twisting ever so slightly, or whatever, causing you to botch a section of the edge. Also, the EP has standard stones that hollow out over time, and require flattening. This is also something that takes some practice and steady hands to keep the pressure even in all directions so you don't angle the stone. Not knocking the EP at all, just illustrating that even it's not without its share of issues.

P.S. - I'm also a bit worried about the sharpening motion the system uses- I would be inclined to use a pair of cut-resistant gloves when sharpening.

Do you wear cut resistant gloves when slicing and dicing vegetables in the kitchen? The sharpening stones have slots for your fingers. Your hands stay behind the stones, and away from the edge. Plus, you don't have to cut into the edge. Most of his videos show him cutting away from the edge. Kinda hard to slip and cut yourself cutting away from the edge. Not sure how the EP is any safer, when you're running your hand straight toward the edge when sharpening. Last but not least, nobody said you have to be a speed demon like the guy in the videos. You can take much slower, more precise strokes with the stones, leaving much less room for a slip or danger. Again, not knocking the EP at all. I considered it much longer than I did the WE when looking for a sharpening system. In fact, it was my research of EP videos on Youtube that I came across the WE. I had never heard of it before. I watched every video I could find on both systems, and felt that the WE is a better system for me. Both systems are good, and like you said, the EP has been around a long time. It definitely works. I don't think you can go wrong with either system IMHO.