Wicked Edge Owners....

Thanks for posting this I have been curious about the we myself and it's advantages. I currently use a gatco system like the lansky with the diamonds and the ceramic polishing stone. I like the gatco but want to take it to the next level and wondered if the We was my answer just been afraid to pull the trigger because of price if it was not all that. Thanks all and to the original poster for asking the question.
 
All I will add is that the WEPS is the ultimate sharpener from the point of view of a sharpening klutz. It does a wonderful job on any knife I have thrown at it and with any steel. It does everything I expect in Spades and it does so repeatedly and accurately.
What else is there to say except I am totally delighted with the rig? ;)

Best regards
Leo
 
i bet i got a few hundrend bucks in sharping stones(i cant find) i can hand sharpen so-so. i want to take it to the next level. i to am looking at the wicked edge and edge pro. ive only read 1 semi bad review about the WE system and it turns out the guy was just used to working with really close tolerances. i measure in close enough.
 
I'll tell ya the wait is frustrating, I ordered my WE weeks ago. Got an update email (nice email) thanking me for my patience and stating probably have it by 2/9. Oh well.
Anyway, figuring no harm no foul I have been playing more and harder with my Spyderco Sharpmaker. Damn that thing can sharpen. Have had it for about 15 years and use it regularly but since I figuered the WE was coming and I could fix any fook ups I have been using it more aggressively.
Wow. Really second guessing the WE order. I can wick strips of newspaper like green beans. Like a scalpel.
I Dunno.
 
I'll tell ya the wait is frustrating, I ordered my WE weeks ago. Got an update email (nice email) thanking me for my patience and stating probably have it by 2/9. Oh well.
Anyway, figuring no harm no foul I have been playing more and harder with my Spyderco Sharpmaker. Damn that thing can sharpen. Have had it for about 15 years and use it regularly but since I figuered the WE was coming and I could fix any fook ups I have been using it more aggressively.
Wow. Really second guessing the WE order. I can wick strips of newspaper like green beans. Like a scalpel.
I Dunno.

I have been looking at this system along with the edge pro. I just cant pull the trigger on the wicked edge for a few reasons. The product has been out since like 08 or 09 but it never seems to be in stock. It also seems weird that most of the positive reviews on here come from people with very few posts who post mostly about the system (seems common on a few other forums as well). Plus I would think something like this would have numerous reviews on youtube, but I only recall seeing one real review (which was negative I think) and its no longer listed in search results. Maybe I'm just being paranoid.
 
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I have 123 posts here and 360 or so on the Knife Forum. I am not clear on what you are saying in your post. BTW are you in business or manufacturing at all?
My take on why the rig is out of stock so often.
The fact is that this rig is now so popular, that Clay is having a problem keeping the machine and the accessories in stock. Why is it on back-order? The usual reason...it is a fine and precise sharpener that does exactly what they say it does and does so with accuracy and repeatability. Many have finally figured this out and now want a WEPS. Clay is a good small business man and orders things wisely and in a business-like way, which means his orders are based on demand but the demand has sky-rocketed several times lately and so we find a shortage.
Is this rig as good as they (I and a slew of others) say? You bet!
If you read more widely on the 'Knife Forum' for example, and do a bit of searching there, you will find that a huge collision between the Edge Pro guys and us WEPS guys occurred back in August 2010 after my review of the WEPS was posted in the Keeping Sharp sub-forum. The thread is 14 pages long and would have been another page too but the Mods had to yank some stuff involving insulting and aggressive commentaries. The upshot of it all was that the EP guys and the WEPS adherents plus the manufacturers of the world's finest sharpening stones (Choseras, Shaptons, DMT) and sharpening compounds are now working together to make advances on both the EP and the WEPS.
Is the wait for the WEPS worth it? Heck yes! You won't be sorry. Patience will pay off believe me! And Joe, you are being a bit paranoid. :D

Very best regards
Leo
 
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The ONLY issue I've had with them is on some chisel ground blades... I don't know why but it seems that the stones don't lay quite right on the edge and I hit the top edge of the bevel and not the actual edge and so it winds up grinding down the side of the blade.

Every other knife type seems to work just fine though for me. I couldn't be happier with this system!

Nothing weird there, it's doing exactly what it's supposed to do. The reason why is that the WE is not set up to get to a high enough angle to properly hit the bevel on your chisel ground knives. The fact that it's ground on only one side means that the entire "included" edge angle is all on one side, so it's probably like 30 degrees or even 35, and the WE is set up to do dual bevels---meaning that they'd have to anticipate somebody wanting a 60 or 70 degree included edge (since it'd have to be able to go out the same amount on both sides) which is not very likely. :D So no, it's not going to do chisel grinds very well at all.

If you actually spent the time and effort to put a 15 degree bevel on your chisel grind so that the WE could sharpen it, you'd have a super-wide, unattractive and absurdly thin, fragile edge for almost any kind of normal work. I've gone to 10 degrees (included) on edges for very, very specific tasks before but it's like cutting with a piece of glass.

It is an oft-parroted and completely erroneous belief that chisel grinds have thinner edges than dual grinds because it looks like somebody cut a normal blade down the center and gave you half. For equal strength and durability, a chisel grind has to have an edge angle equal to the combined edge angles of a dual grind.
 
Thought I'd answer a couple of questions in this thread. I buy and try sharpeners, just to see how they perform. I've been using the WE for about 6 months now, and have found it to be a very capable sharpener.

A follow up question if I may, I noticed on a high end knife I just purchased that the bevels are quite uneven. Knife is pretty sharp but even when testing sharpness with the tip of my thumb the knife "bites" much harder (sharper) on one side vs the other.
There was a time I would have sent it back and asked that this be corrected. Now that the W.E. should be arriving soon, is re-profiling to equal the sides well within the capabilities of the rig OR should I ask the maker to re-profile?
If after my learning curve this is doable, I have no problem doing it and save the time and energy of sending the knife back.
Thoughts?

The WE will have no trouble addressing this issue.

Again, really appreciating all of your opinions and input, thank you.
The curve and recurve capable stones, are there any examples you can site of what kind of knife would need these specialized stones?
I have mostly folders. Nothing too wierd.

I've done several recurves with the standard stones, and haven't had an issue getting them sharp with just the standard stones. The key to recurves is to pay attention to how the stone hits the bevel as it follows the curve, and the setup of the WE allows you to easily do this. Working a recurve in both directions (going towards the tip and towards the heel) allows you to work the entire curve. The "recurve capable stones" just make it easier, but IMO, aren't really necessary.

Anyway, figuring no harm no foul I have been playing more and harder with my Spyderco Sharpmaker. Damn that thing can sharpen. Have had it for about 15 years and use it regularly but since I figuered the WE was coming and I could fix any fook ups I have been using it more aggressively.
Wow. Really second guessing the WE order. I can wick strips of newspaper like green beans. Like a scalpel.
I Dunno.

The answer to this is... it just depends on what your needs are. If you get the WE, and do little more than touch up your knives, you'll be quickly disappointed. But if you use it as it should be... you'll quickly realize that you'll be able to do things you'd never even consider doing with a Sharpmaker. The end result is just one aspect of sharpening. Sure you can get a razor edge off a Sharpmaker. But, reprofile an edge? Grind out some damage? Sharpen a knife that hasn't ever been sharpened, and you can't tell the edge from the spine? :o Alter the angle, level of finish, etc. to better meet the needs of the knife's use? Just a few examples to consider.

cbw
 
Thought I'd answer a couple of questions in this thread. I buy and try sharpeners, just to see how they perform. I've been using the WE for about 6 months now, and have found it to be a very capable sharpener.



The WE will have no trouble addressing this issue.



I've done several recurves with the standard stones, and haven't had an issue getting them sharp with just the standard stones. The key to recurves is to pay attention to how the stone hits the bevel as it follows the curve, and the setup of the WE allows you to easily do this. Working a recurve in both directions (going towards the tip and towards the heel) allows you to work the entire curve. The "recurve capable stones" just make it easier, but IMO, aren't really necessary.



The answer to this is... it just depends on what your needs are. If you get the WE, and do little more than touch up your knives, you'll be quickly disappointed. But if you use it as it should be... you'll quickly realize that you'll be able to do things you'd never even consider doing with a Sharpmaker. The end result is just one aspect of sharpening. Sure you can get a razor edge off a Sharpmaker. But, reprofile an edge? Grind out some damage? Sharpen a knife that hasn't ever been sharpened, and you can't tell the edge from the spine? :o Alter the angle, level of finish, etc. to better meet the needs of the knife's use? Just a few examples to consider.

cbw

Again, many thanks for the time spent - very comprehensive. I actually ordered for the reasons you exactly mentioned. I have knives that there is no way a sharpmaker would address. Will I sharpen them and then perhaps actually use them? That is my hope. A chronically dull knife is a very unexciting knife. Will I develop the confidence to reprofile an edge and make it what I want? That again is on the list of goals when the thing arrives someday :) I have no doubt the Out of Stock status is more testimony to the demand issue than anything. The follow up email stating that it was arriving 2/9 was nice but being as I really wasn't anticipating it for some time it actually had an opposite effect than it was intended. Not a problem. Patience is a virtue and something I continue to strive for.:thumbup:
 
........I have no doubt the Out of Stock status is more testimony to the demand issue than anything. The follow up email stating that it was arriving 2/9 was nice but being as I really wasn't anticipating it for some time it actually had an opposite effect than it was intended. Not a problem. Patience is a virtue and something I continue to strive for.:thumbup:

I'm thinking the same... high demand/short supply. :thumbup: I ordered mine months ago and am patiently waiting. I have faith that there is a good reason for the delay and can wait a while longer. It is a little disconcerting though that they applied a full charge the day I ordered instead of taking a deposit or charging when shipped.
 
I'm thinking the same... high demand/short supply. :thumbup: I ordered mine months ago and am patiently waiting. I have faith that there is a good reason for the delay and can wait a while longer. It is a little disconcerting though that they applied a full charge the day I ordered instead of taking a deposit or charging when shipped.

Yikes, never checked my card. I have never had a vendor do that. It is customary to charge when the item ships.
 
Nothing weird there, it's doing exactly what it's supposed to do. The reason why is that the WE is not set up to get to a high enough angle to properly hit the bevel on your chisel ground knives. The fact that it's ground on only one side means that the entire "included" edge angle is all on one side, so it's probably like 30 degrees or even 35, and the WE is set up to do dual bevels---meaning that they'd have to anticipate somebody wanting a 60 or 70 degree included edge (since it'd have to be able to go out the same amount on both sides) which is not very likely. :D So no, it's not going to do chisel grinds very well at all.

If you actually spent the time and effort to put a 15 degree bevel on your chisel grind so that the WE could sharpen it, you'd have a super-wide, unattractive and absurdly thin, fragile edge for almost any kind of normal work. I've gone to 10 degrees (included) on edges for very, very specific tasks before but it's like cutting with a piece of glass.

It is an oft-parroted and completely erroneous belief that chisel grinds have thinner edges than dual grinds because it looks like somebody cut a normal blade down the center and gave you half. For equal strength and durability, a chisel grind has to have an edge angle equal to the combined edge angles of a dual grind.

You know... that makes complete sense. After reading this I set the angle to 30 degrees and it hit (almost) perfectly. I may try to stretch it out a little bit for a 35 and I bet it would hit right on. This chisel grind was the first one that I've owned, so I wasn't too familiar with the grind when I bought it. Not sure if I am uber-crazy about it, but it is growing on me.

Thanks for the tip!
 
I was charged the day it was packaged and electronically presented for delivery. Just checked!

Leo
 
Any one else have this happen to them??????

I sent Wicked Edge an email prior to ordering and received the following response.

"Dear Mr. Allen,
Our system does charge your card at the time of purchase. If at any time during the back order period you would like to receive a refund we do have a no questions asked return policy.
Best regards,
XXX (name removed)
Wicked Edge"
 
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