Will Buck Knives collectors also collect the "Taiwan" and "China" Bucks?

I like most here don't run out looking for the overseas made Buck knives. But, I also don't fault Buck for keeping their company viable in tough times....enough talk on that subject from me (it cost me my job more than once).

Any way....I also have a few overseas Bucks and I like them just fine. These were available and I bought them, who could pass on great looking picked bone?
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When I think Buck, I think Made in the USA. There is just something about the company and culture that to me is American to the point that I wouldn't want an overseas product with their name on it. It's not a quality issue. Just my personal feeling about the company and products. An important part of the Bucks I own is the USA stamp on the blade.
 
I view a Buck knife that is made in the USA as a "Buck Knife" - the real deal, that I have been owning and using since 1970. When I see a knife made in China (or Taiwan) with the Buck name on it, I view it as a counterfeit - a copy of the real thing, but not the real thing. No, I don't collect any non-USA made Buck knives.
 
Old Hunter said:
I view a Buck knife that is made in the USA as a "Buck Knife" - the real deal, that I have been owning and using since 1970. When I see a knife made in China (or Taiwan) with the Buck name on it, I view it as a counterfeit - a copy of the real thing, but not the real thing. No, I don't collect any non-USA made Buck knives.
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IMO you're wrong. These are "counterfeit", why not vent your hatred on them instead of Buck's imports?

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At the very least, the offshore Bucks contribute to Buck's bottom line which hopefully will keep them from going the all import route that so many other brands have taken.
 
PlumberDv, I was asked my opinion on foreign made knives carrying the Buck name - I gave my opinion; it is as valid as any opinion stated. As to my "hatred" maybe you are clairvoyant and can read my mind - but you need practice as you are dead wrong. I am a big fan of USA made Buck knives, got my first in 1970 and have carried them ever since - sorry I offended your tender sensibilities! Old Hunter
 
Something made by/or for under contract, the company whose name is on it, is not a "counterfeit" if you call it that, even in "your opinion", then that opinion is wrong and invalid.

Words have meaning for a reason.............
 
I don't feel the need to pick out and comment on what another man calls something - that is what he wants to call it - I express my opinion and let others express their's. However, a couple of you guys want to challenge my OPINION. I will state again, in my OPINION a foreign made knife, made in a contract factory, sporting the Buck name is a counterfeit product - even if the Buck USA company stamps their name on it - it may say Buck and be imported by Buck - but it ain't a Buck. That is my OPINION, all mine and as correct as any OPINION either of you will ever hold. Guess you are born regulators; others are supposed to see it your way - well, it doesn't work that way chief I don't see things your way. You don't like the way I see things - that is fine with me - I don't care. You want to buy a truckload of those China Bucks, love them, polish them, collect them, give them as gifts - that is fine with me - but I won't - they are mere imitations of the real deal. OH
 
So, all the millions of "contract" knives made for Buck by Schrade and Camillus are "counterfeits" also in your opinion? Or is it only the "contract" knives made off shore?
 
Old Hunter said:
I will state again, in my OPINION a foreign made knife, made in a contract factory, sporting the Buck name is a counterfeit product - even if the Buck USA company stamps their name on it - it may say Buck and be imported by Buck - but it ain't a Buck. That is my OPINION, all mine and as correct as any OPINION either of you will ever hold.
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Regulator no, but I do own a dictionary. If your opinion is based on an incorrect use of the word "counterfeit", then your opinion is wrong, and not correct in any way, shape or form no matter how much you may think it is.
 
What is wrong with you two guys - a different point of view rocks your world so bad that you are totally discombobulated? I respect that you have your own point of view - agree or disagree with me on mine, but dismiss the idea that I will ever see it your way - I see it my way. I don't "hate" Buck for importing from China, I still buy Buck USA for gifts and for my own collecting pleasure and use, but none of the off-shore counterfeits. I buy Schrade, but only the older USA made Schrade, none of their counterfeits either (being as you inquired). I'm a retired Soldier and I do my dead level best not to fund the PLA. OH
 
Old Hunter said:
What is wrong with you two guys - a different point of view rocks your world so bad that you are totally discombobulated? I respect that you have your own point of view - agree or disagree with me on mine, but dismiss the idea that I will ever see it your way - I see it my way. I don't "hate" Buck for importing from China, I still buy Buck USA for gifts and for my own collecting pleasure and use, but none of the off-shore counterfeits. I buy Schrade, but only the older USA made Schrade, none of their counterfeits either (being as you inquired). I'm a retired Soldier and I do my dead level best not to fund the PLA. OH
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I thought so.

I don't know why you didn't just come out and say that right off the bat? It isn't that your so called "counterfeits" aren't made in Buck's own factory (the Schrade and Camillus made contract Bucks never were either), but that they're made off shore.

I don't give a hoot one way or the other about whether or not you buy them, I just object to the term "counterfeit" being used to describe an authentic Buck product no matter where it's made, amd I'm sure that's BCCL's objection as well.

That being said, if Buck closed their doors, sold the name and trademark to someone who moved all production off shore like Schrade did, I'd never buy another one either.
 
I have to agree with them, Old Hunter. It's not a counterfeit. You could say that you don't believe the overseas-made Bucks are as nice, as good a quality, they don't have the same good old USA spirit the American-made Bucks have, whatever. But they are certainly not counterfeit. They are genuine Buck knives.

I can respect any opinion about overseas-made Bucks. I don't like them, personally, but I wouldn't hold it against anyone for liking them and buying them. But there's no denying that they are absolutely not counterfeit. Chinese-made Buck knives are 100% Buck knives, legally bearing the Buck name and logo, all appropriate trademarks and copyrights, etc.
 
Ember Mike, I see your point and in a very narrow definition of "counterfeit" I wouldn't argue with you. In the broad sense (see Websters New College Dictionary) I stand by what I said - when I see China made Buck knives I view them as counterfeit (something that so closely resembles something else as to mislead) - no one else has to view them that way - but I do. I am sorry that Buck (whose products I buy, use, and gift to others) had to use their good name to brand their Chinese products - perhaps another name wouldn't have diminished the famous Buck name and legacy. I stopped by a hardware store in Morehead City yesterday to buy a new Buck 303, but the store was out of stock on that model - I'll find one this week or next week at a hunting store off of I-95 that keeps a nice display of Buck Knives. OH

PlumberDv, I don't follow you at all; your points are incoherent babble at this point. OH

Ps I would advise you not to use the word counterfeit if it disturbs you - as for me I think it is accurate and I will continue its use.
 
OH, I'll try to clear up my babble for you.

#1, do you consider all knives made for Buck under contract but not by Buck themselves as real Bucks or counterfeits? You do realize that both Schrade and Camillus made the slipjoints for Buck for many years? You say you "buy Schrade". Are you talking about Schrade manufactured Bucks?

If you consider the Schrade and Camillus made Bucks as the real thing, then I sumit that your only objection the the ones made under contract in China is their country of origin.
 
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PD, you have come full circle in your understanding. Congratulations! OH
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Now you're the one making no sense. I have no idea what that means, as it sure doesn't answer my question.

Are you not inclined to give a straight answer about your feelings regarding ALL contract Bucks?
 
DV, Anyone reading my posts could readily discern that I view Chinese made Buck Knives as counterfeits - what does that tell you in answer to your question? I will urge you to seek the answer - look at any of my posts concerning the 300 series knives - the answer is right in front of you - right there on your computer screen. OH
 
Exactly my point. You consider the Buck branded knives made by other than Buck (Schrade, Camillus) but made in the USA as "real".

It's only because the others are made in China that you think they're counterfeit. I fail to see the difference, if it's not made at Buck's own factory, then it should by your standards be considered counterfeit.

Why not just come out and say so in the first place.
 
PDV, let me make it plain and simple for you - I was minding my own business and answering the OP's question when you decided to practice psychology and put a label on me (this "hatred" bull of yours). I don't appreciate that as you don't know me and you surely don't know what you are talking about. I could care less if you like my definition or not - mind your own business and I will do the same - can you figure that out? OH
 
Old Hunter said:
when I see China made Buck knives I view them as counterfeit (something that so closely resembles something else as to mislead)
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They are made under contract to Buck's specifications.
They are labeled "Buck" and with the country of origin on both the packaging and the knife.
They are shipped and distributed through Buck's company.
They are sold through retail outlets that receive them from Buck.
They are fully backed by Buck's lifetime warranty and repaired/replaced by Buck if ever needed.

Under what possible scenario in your "mind" does that "mislead" anyone???

Your use of the word "counterfeit" in this instance is completely untrue by any definition.
 
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