Will Buck Knives collectors also collect the "Taiwan" and "China" Bucks?

BCCL, You are a knife guy, you know knives, you wouldn't be fooled, right? However, when you place the hallowed Buck name on China made knives and sell them at your knife outlets then you are creating the impression that it is a genuine, quality Buck Knife and you are selling them to people who think they are buying the real thing. They aren't - they are illusions of the real thing, something that so closely resembles something else as to mislead. Seems pretty clear to me, I don't understand why you are confused? I am a big fan of Buck products made in the USA, but I am not an apologist for them regarding the Chinese product line. OH
 
If I see any further China-bashing I will have to consider closing the thread. We have strict rules on Bladeforums about political commentary: it all belongs in the Political Arena, not in the knife discussion forums.
 
Old Hunter said:
Ember Mike, I see your point and in a very narrow definition of "counterfeit" I wouldn't argue with you. In the broad sense (see Websters New College Dictionary) I stand by what I said - when I see China made Buck knives I view them as counterfeit (something that so closely resembles something else as to mislead) - no one else has to view them that way - but I do...
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Buck isn't misleading anyone. They don't stamp "USA" on overseas-made knives. It is not their intention to mislead, so by your stated definition of "counterfeit" you are using the word incorrectly.

Besides, we're talking about knives here. In the knife world, the definition of a counterfeit is pretty clear and not open to much individual interpretation. In this context, we all know what a counterfeit is. Overseas-made Buck knives are not counterfeits.
 
Mike, I'll have to disagree with you, IMO (as clearly stated numerous times) the offshore knives are counterfeits of the Buck name as that name is widely viewed as a quality American made product - the offshore products have the Buck name and logo prominently displayed on them - that makes them counterfeits of the real thing made here. OH
 
Imagine walking into a room full of Astronomers, announcing that "it's my opinion that the stars in the sky are really just the scales on a giant space snake, that wraps around the Earth every night, and that opinion is as correct as any of yours".

And then being laughed out of the room.............

As I said earlier, words have meaning for a reason, the word "counterfeit" does not apply to these knives, as they actually are Buck products, whether OH, or anyone else doesn't like them personally, it doesn't change what they are. "Imported", "overseas manufactured", "contract" or whatever, they are not counterfeits, a word that carries the implication of deceit or criminal intent on the part of Buck Knives, which is why those of us that are dedicated to collecting Buck Knives, rightly object to its false use here.
 
Old Hunter said:
Mike, I'll have to disagree with you, IMO (as clearly stated numerous times) the offshore knives are counterfeits of the Buck name as that name is widely viewed as a quality American made product - the offshore products have the Buck name and logo prominently displayed on them - that makes them counterfeits of the real thing made here. OH
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Your personal definition of counterfeit is incorrect. By labeling these imported Buck knives as "counterfeits" you're essentially accusing the company of fraud. Is your intent to say that Buck is trying to deceive it's customer base by fooling them in to thinking they are buying a USA-made knife? You may not like or approve of the imports but it is impossible for knives contracted by a company bearing the company's logo to be counterfeit.
 
Old Hunter said:
Mike, I'll have to disagree with you, IMO (as clearly stated numerous times) the offshore knives are counterfeits of the Buck name as that name is widely viewed as a quality American made product - the offshore products have the Buck name and logo prominently displayed on them - that makes them counterfeits of the real thing made here. OH
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That is not what a counterfeit is, no matter how many times you suggest that it is. Stating your opinion repeatedly isn't going to change the definition of the word.

You might not like overseas-made Buck knives, and you might not like the fact that Buck produces any knives outside the US. Those are opinions about the products. But your idea that official, legal, company-issued knives produced overseas are counterfeits is simply incorrect.
 
Gents, we will never agree, so we can agree to disagree or we won't agree to disagree - I'm good either way. I'm done with this topic and will return to reading, learning, showing my Buck Knives, and expressing my opinion on the topics that interest me. Good day and good knifing! OH
 
Old Hunter said:
Gents, we will never agree, so we can agree to disagree or we won't agree to disagree - I'm good either way. I'm done with this topic and will return to reading, learning, showing my Buck Knives, and expressing my opinion on the topics that interest me. Good day and good knifing! OH
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Old Hunter - "Counterfeit" would be the proper definition of knives made ANYWHERE that imitate a legitimate Buck product (whether one made in the USA or their contract knives made in China) that were purposely made to be sold as a Buck product when they have NOTHING to do with the Buck company based in the USA.

If you look through some threads in the Buck forum, you will notice some knives posted that are labeled as Buck products would be, but they are mostly inferior poorly made imitations.

Regards,
Peter
 
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