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Darrel Ralph

Darrel Ralph

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Any comments on what you want to see in a clip? The best comment or drawing used on the
the EDC knife will win a prototype EDC with the pit bull,dominator,or fighter blade of your choice valued at $450.00. The EDC knives are a titanium frame lock knife with cpm 420 v blades.
My new EDC (every day carry) line of folders needs a good clip. BEST idea will be decided by vote on the forum from the best ten ideas.

I appreciate the comments on clips from good folks on the forums.

Ends april 30th

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I'd love to Darrel, but you know how I feel on the subject!

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James Segura
San Francisco, CA
 
I will like to have the clip design flow
with the natural lines, color, and design
of the handle. The clip should not appear
as sticking sore thumb, an anomaly to the
general feature of the knife, or an
outsider forcing its way in.

2d_edge
 
I'm not sure of the feasability of this, but it's a shot. How about using a larger hollow pivot pin and inserting a shaft with detents for the clip. This way the clip can be either out and used or in flush with the slabs. probably be a pain to engineer out properly though.
 
Have the clip be able to be opened at the bottom by applying pressure at the top. This would allow a very smooth draw and clipping.

Use rare earth magnets to hold the clip on. This would allow possibly a very configurable design for the use as multiple placements are possible. The magnets should be easily strong enough to hold the knife one but still be possible to take the clip off.

Have the clip on spring loaded slider bar so basically you press in on the knife and draw it off of the clip. To put it back on you just slide it down over the clip and it ride up and hits the bar which move it out of contact with the grooved track. As a variant on that, have it on a twist off clip, much simpler to make.

The last possibility also allows you to wear multiple "clips" and move the knife around. Clips being a loose term here as the design can be reduced to just the attachment pieces with no clip at all, for use as a neck knife for example. So you could grip the knife and rotate and it would release instead of having to resort to a yank.

-Cliff
 
Most clips make the basic grip all screwball once you've drawn the puppy.

How about a clip that vanishes on draw?

Like so:
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My award winning clip idea...
(initial disclosure; just got my D Ralph illusion release auto with gorgeous Damascus blade today and NO CLIP)

OK, a clip is useful to hold the knife to your pocket or inside your drawers, etc. But it feels crappy in your hand. So, we make the clip flush with the knife when removed. And have an Illusion release to reengage it. what the heck, I don't have to build it.

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My idea for a pocket clip is very simple. Two holes drilled and tapped in the frame at the butt of the knife. The pocket clip is attached with two screws in these holes and can be moved to either side of the knife easily. The pocket clip itself can be either the flat spring or bent wire type, rounded and streamlined for function and appearance. This also gives the user an option to remove the clip at will. There could also be an option for some kind of neck hanging device using the same two screw mount, possibly some kind of detent release set up similiar to those two piece key chains.

Jake Evans
 
Why two threads, Darrel?

Anyway, I think your clip design idea is pretty cool, Jim, but I'm not quite sure if it would work? Wouldn't about 2-3" of the knife handle be sticking up out of the pocket? Humor me
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You could put nacho cheese sauce on it...
 
I think clips should be of the strongest spring steel available, and a little recessed ala Carson Magna. I like a clip that can be easily removed and adjusted for point up or point down carry I'd like it to also be some type of heavy duty snap on clip, or perhaps a adjustable clip ala SOG Autoclips. I do not want it coated at all, but wouldn't mind it being tubular shaped, like a large paper clip on steroids.
 
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=138168&a=1012456&p=19452253&Sequence=0

Ignore the clip on the left.
The cobra head clip above should be nice and robust to prevent bending if the clip ever catches on anything. I put two holes in the clip to acess the screws that are underneath, but it could just be one hole and one screw if strength of the clip is an issue. I would like the clip to look really interesting, even on a work knife. Rather than slap some boring grey sliver of steel on the side of the knife, I would like the clip to add to the knife's looks, making the knife distinct because of it. The recess in the knife handle could be made very small to accommodate just the tip of the clip, because it is often the last part of the clip where it curls up that causes discomfort in my hand. Still the end would be lifted off the handle enough to allow for easy placement in the pocket after use. All the swirles on the clip are just to suggest that something be done to make it look nice--maybe a mirror polish, or some kind of stain, etch, a signature, or whatever.
 
Make the clip as low key as possible - As low as the spyderco standard or the Genesis EDI - so one can carry the knife at all time in a front pocket without being noticed.

Also make sure the clip will be BLACK - smart colors are nice - but at least an optional black clip will make sure tactical use can be made of the knife.

Maybe offer a set of clips? One for every mood??
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MVH .02
 
A large wide SS or Titanium clip that is stylish (curvy), won't come a loose, & holds it's spring tension. Preferably attached with one LARGE SS Torx Head Screw and indented in the handle to keep clip from wondering from side to side. But still easy enough to take off when needed.


Mark

 
You mean, those thingies on the sides of knives aren't just for shipping purposes? They aren't there just to hold the knife to a box edge or something to prevent 'settling of contents' during handling? Hell, I always rip those babies off
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But, if a knife must have a clip, especially a 'purdy user,' I think it should be a clip-fob. Keep the fob (colour-matched paracord or something) short (1.5" to 2") and attach a simple, effective clip to the other end of the tether. The clip should be like a slip-on hair barrette, and the face of the clip (part that hangs out) could be treated to match the knife scales (annodised, rubberised, carved, whatever.)

This way, the knife is easy access and deep pocket cary, hangs above change, keys, etc. And it's fobbed - I LOVE FOBS!!!

I hope you get the picture, because in my mind it looks good!

Cheers,

RLR
 
The clip on the Genesis is a good start. It should be SS and have the classic spoon shape ala Spyderco. The problem with the Genesis clip is that the two screws holding it on get in the way of the pocket edge because they have standard heads that stick out. It you could make the clip thick enough to counter sink these two heads then it should slide into the pocket better. The deep pocket design on the clip is a good idea. It was used on custom knives before EDI, so I wouldn't think there would be a patent issue. If you countersink the two screws it may be enough of a change to skirt that issue. You could also add a third countersunk screw in the center by drilling a hole in the center for an access hole. This could be the first in a series of holes vertically down the clip. Perhaps the top hole being largest and slightly smaller on the way down. The holes might be elongated for a little more style. Or even letters, like EDC. A few more points. How about countersinking the "base" of the clip that attaches the clip to the bolster (scales)? If it is deep enough, it wouldn't need to use flat head countersunk screws, standard allen head cap screws would work. Shaping the clip to become part of the handle would take away some of the objections to clips being uncomfortable. Making it thicker than normal, countersinking the base, and rounding it to a half moon type shape (profile) would help to make it part of the handle and a lot more ergonomic. The clip doesn't have to be centered. It could be on the edge closest to the spine. It should still be shaped (rounded) to be "part" of the handle. In this case, using the deep pocket type base may not work well. Using the standard type three screw attachment but shaping the clip to become part of the handle may work better. This way it wouldn't bite into your palm or fingers, it may actually become as asset as opposed to something you put up with it order to have the convenience of the clip.

While all these ideas about milling grooves for the clip to slide in and spring loading it sound interesting, they don't sound like they would hold up long term in an "every day carry".

Danny




[This message has been edited by dfhoward (edited 04-29-2000).]
 
I've always thought simple was best. That's why I like the way that's BM's stainless clips are attached to it's ti framelock model, the Pinnacle. Unlike many ti framelocks, the screws (even the clip screws) are received by stainless threadserts in the handle rather than tapping the titanium itself. This would make potential replacement of parts, etc., a less cumbersome ordeal on the maker's end.

As far as the clip itself, the most important feature of a clip to me besides being strong, is that it's not shiny. It can be coloured, just not shiny. An EDC especially should be low-key IMHO.

Good luck!

Professor.
 
The clip on your new knife should be tip down so the ball detent won't have to be super strong. The pivot pin adjustment should be on the side opposit e the clip so the clip can be placed high on the handle to allow for a low profile. You should privide three clips, black, blue, and brown, to match a variety of pants in order to maximize a low profile.
 
This is similar to Jim's idea as it being recessed into the handle, but some different too. I don't know if this has been done or not. As simple as it is, it wouldn't suprise me, but here's my idea. The general shape of the knife isn't important. I just drew it in to make it easier to see the clip design.Man, I sure hope Darrel meant a belt clip and not a clip point blade!!!!!
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[This message has been edited by L6STEEL (edited 04-13-2000).]
 
Stompy, look again: that clip will bury the knife DEEP in the pocket. The pommel will be about 1" deep, with the knife extending below that. That's why this is no good for megafolders...

Jim
 
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