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The clip should sit high enough on the knife to allow the knife to sit deep in pocket, yet hang at the right angle. The clip on my Calypso Jr. allows almost .75" to sit above the pocket or waistband.

Most clips are also a little too long and are somewhat too noticeable. For example, I can't see why the clip on my Calypso Jr. is 2.5 inches long. I realize that one of the functions would be to clip over a belt, but this clip only really allows the user to wear a 1 inch belt. How about a choice of clips?

Maybe a clip that you can adjust for angle depending on what you're wearing. You know, like a central pivot point and one set screw to hold it in place to your desired angle. That would allow for a more comfortable carry.

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hey, if anyone has already posted these ideas i'm sorry.
1. make the clip an integral part of the knife, not screwed on to it.
2. make the clip actually comfortable to hold in the hand in both positions
3. i like the idea of having more of a bead blasted grayish clip. is seems to stick out less than black or polished SS
4. make the clip with a large cutout (ala speedtech) to accomodate thicker clothes
5. perhaps a shoulder rig that holds the clip in place
that's all i can think of now

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The scale of the knife has an I channel. The clip has a long full channel length "tang".
The tang slips between the liner of the knife and the scale in one part of the I channel. The clip rides in the upper part of the I channel for a flush fit and for extra holding power by bending the cloth in a U around the clip.

There are two equidistant screw holes in the clip-tang and in the scale so the clip can be mounted for either tip up or tip down carry.

Because the clip curves over at the edge of the knife, it has deep carry characteristics.

The clip would require other holes in it to access the clip screws and the pivot pin.

This design has no empty screw holes to plug and still supports tip up/down carry.

A rough drawing, and perhaps a better explanation was in your earlier thread on this topic.

I can supply said sketch as needed.

Phil
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Damnit Jim, I'm a doctor not a clip designer!
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Still can't see it, but I'll look again. Oh, and from the end view of the knife it looks as though the blade would open edge first?

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I realize that the majority of the people want a clip that is low profile. Saddly this seems to mean no file work, etchings, polishes, Ti coatings or anything else that will make the clip look nice. When I look at the other knifes Darrel Ralph makes, I see interesting looking pieces, not anything like the bland looks of the Pinnacle or the pure functional looks of REKAT's folders. But since this is an everyday using knife, here is a clip idea that should be low profile, low riding, strong, and still not generic:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=138168&a=1012456&p=19468523&Sequence=0
I don't know if it has been used in another design already in production, but I have not seen it before. The clip itself would be sandwiched either between the blade and the scale for tip down, or bt the lanyard hole and scale for tip up. The clip could be tapped for screws that would come in from the handle scale like a normal clip, but they would secure to the clip itself on the opposite side of the scale. Or the clip could be bent to fit into two or even three cutouts in the back of the scale, sort of like REKAT's clip, only on the inside of the handle. Personally I feel the clip would look a little boring, but if low profile is what people want, it should allow the knife to ride very low, without drawing much attention.

I have a question, are the designs we submit supposed to work specifically on your EDC knife? If so, then we are limited to how the clip can be made because the knife is already designed (I think). For instance, we can't suggest that half the handle be cut off to allow for a clip to be fully recessed, or that other drastic design changes be made to allow a special clip to work right?
 
I think I know what RLR means. If you're wondering, I bet he means something like the Buck Crosslocks. The have a nylon (or something along those lines?) clip attached to the knife via a nylon cord.
 
Having just read your Q and none of the responses, please forgive if this has been said already. I think the clip on the Impulse is the best clip design I've seen to date, by far. It has ALL of the attributes of a great clip design. Why not use a slight variation on that?

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How about a double clip? I don't have the ability to post a drawing right now, but if you are interested I will mail you one. I'll try to describe it.

The material would be stamped metal, maybe embossed with a pattern. There would be a channel in the center of the knife scale long enough to accommodate the clip.

One clip would be a one prong design with a "bar" the width of the entire clip unit at the end. The other end is attatched to the bottom of the channel.

The second clip would be a two prong version of the first. The two prongs would fit on either side of the first unit's single prong. The grasping end would be a "bar" the width of the clip unit. This would be the grasping part for this end of the clip. The base of the clip would be mounted at the opposite end of the channel from the first.

Neither clip would interfere the other. There would be no need for exterior screw holes, and the knife could be carried at either position, depending on which end went into the pocket first. The clip(s) could also be covered in a material similar to the scales, and would naturally be set flush with only the "grippers" above the scales.

I have no Idea if this has been used by anyone else, but it sounds cool to me.

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[This message has been edited by Columbo (edited 04-15-2000).]
 
One more clip idea. This one is very simple. It would work best on a knife with flat scales. Instead of having empty holes in the handle when changing carry positions, the clip forms a plate that uses screws on both ends. The screws could be the hexhead type that are used to dress up Colt 45 Autos. They come in silver or gold, and are carved with a radiating pattern. The bottom plate and clip could be embossed and cut with similar patterns. I think this would not prove too difficult or expensive to produce. And it would look great. I have a basic drawing at http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=619493&a=4519797&p=19683895

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[This message has been edited by Columbo (edited 04-17-2000).]
 
I haven't taken the time to read all the responses, but I'm impatient and I want a knife!
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Anyway, what I would like to see in a clip, is one that is adjustable for different tensions. Sometimes you need it really tight, sometimes you need a lot of room to clip it to your jeans, or even your belt. And it should also be easy to remove for those times when you don't need a clip.

I like the way the Outdoor Edge Magna's clip is almost flush with the handle, but it is still a little conspicuous. If the clip somehow incorporated the lines and texture of the handle, it wouldn't be too "un-sightly." If there is a way to have a clip without the look of a clip, that is what I would like.

Maybe what I'm getting at is a slice of handle with a little curve to it that sticks out with a little push on the end where it is fastened, and otherwise sits flush with the rest of the handle, generally undetectable. I prefer at the pivot end.

Just my $.02

Daniel D.

PS OK, So I took the time to read all the posts, and see that Cliff Stamp, Jim March, and L6STEEL all had a variation on the design I envisioned. As far as "low profile" on the clip as it hangs out from you pocket or whatever, I figured if it was narrow enough( while retaining its strength) it might look more like a pen than a knife.

For a more deep pocket carry, the clip could easily be incorporated with the pivot pin, although that will still leave it sitting rather high. I personally don't mind a little showing: It gives me an excuse to show off my knife on occasion.

Daniel D.

[This message has been edited by Daniel Dorn (edited 04-17-2000).]
 
As far as attaching the clip and position, that is a preference for knife position and ease of production, IMHO. I'd like a clip smoothed out, no sharp edges and made from CARBON FIBER. In a thick enough form, maybe .090 to .125 that could be rounded off and polished. Metal clips of mine scratch paint on cars doors and other things I get too close to.
 
Darrel, you seem to have two threads going... except that the other one has slipped somewhere very far... so I'll just copy what I wrote there:
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Darrel, here are my comments:
1) No clip at all. But somekind of pocket case. The 'pocket pouch' could maybe have an clip to keep it in proper place. The pouch would protect the beatifull finish of your knives from keys or coins, and the knife would be better to use without a clip. Also the knife would be very discreet if it would be hidden in a pocket pouch.

2) EDC should be very discreet, as there are always situations where you don't want to advertice that you are carrying a knife. Sometimes you just can't tell before that you are going to end up in such a situation.
So the clip should allow as low ride as possible. Make a clip with 180 degrees bend at the top of the knife. Either make a hole in the top of the clip to access the screws, or make a wider attachement area for the clip so you can fit the screws in. Better use both directions: 3 screws; 2 on the sides and 1 through a hole. That will make it seem stronger to most people. Make it matte black with option of some other color if the customer wants. But normally black. Also don't make it wider than it has to be. Too large (I'd say that Spydercos are too large already) and it atracts attention. The bend at the top of the clip would probably work better if the knife would be tip up carry. Then the clip would not interfere as much with the use of the knife.

3) As the knife would ride very deep, design the end of the clip so that the knife can be pulled out with the index finger using the clip (of course helping with the thump as soon as the knife emerges a little from the pocket). This will case force on the end of the clip bending it outwards and thus easing the release of the clip. Then the clip can be made quite tight.
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[This message has been edited by Hugo (edited 04-18-2000).]
 
My ideas are the sliding and the rolling clip.

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The sliding clip rides along a T bar. Once it reaches the curved portion of the bar, it pops up. It is spring-loaded.

The rolling clip pivots out from the knife, allowing the clip to be engaged.

Both clips are designed to be flush with the scales, so that if not used, they don't get in the way.

Mike
 
How about an integral clip? Milled so that just the end of the clip protrudes from the frame, and the rest of the clip lies flush when not clipped?

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Ryan



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Don't forget to include this thread for the pocket clip contest, too!
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hanks you all for the great ideas. I am looking and reading each and every post .

I will post the ideas that I feel will best work on the EDC line of knives .

The EDC is designed for a very low profile carry so that is my may thought here.
I want to thank each and every one of you for your help with this decission.

Please give me a few days to choose the ten
and allow you folks to vote on them.

If your ideas are not chossen please dont have bad feelings . Every post has merit.

I will say that I may choose the idea and not use it in full . Some posts have more appeal in one area and less in the other areas.

Thanks you all once again.



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