Wingman Review and Roadtrip

Phillip was generous enough to include me in this wingman pass around. After seeing the knew knives that Andy released, I was a little relieved that only one of them, the drop point Maverick caught my eye. As I sadly don't do much hunting, and I am not a pirate, most of the trailing point designs were not of interest to me. When Phillip first contacted me I was not sure if I wanted to try the wingman. I decided to take him up on his generosity and give it a go.

I am happy that I got a chance to try it. Overall this specimen was a joy to hold and use. The grind on this one is absolutely superb. It is very sharp and bites into wood easily. The craftsmanship is excellent. I wish I had something to skin with it, but I didn't so I just used it to do a little whittling.

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It had no problem cutting paper.

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It is comfortable in various positions.

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The only thing I would change on the knife is the corners on the bottom of the handle. In the grip I often use one of the corners digs into my palm a little. It would only be an issue with long term use. If it were mine I would round off the burlap a little there. The bent handle is a little lost on the small size. I think it will really shine in the larger models like the drop point maverick.

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I enjoyed using it to do a little whittling.

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Next to my scandi hiking buddy for more reference shots.

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Thanks to Phillip for letting me in on this pass around! The wingman would make a great little, well wingman on a hunting trip. If you are looking for a smaller knife for hunting it would make a great option.
 
Great insights and photographs gentlemen! I've been a little hesitant on the new designs myself, but reading through your thoughts have convinced me that I should give them a try (the big brothers at least e.g. Renegade, Maverick) sometime in the future.
 
Great reviews guys! (I'll comment on them later)

I'd like to add mine to the mix.

As I sometimes do when I post reviews, especially ones that contain in-hand shots, I have to give a disclaimer up front. Everything said below here comes from the standpoint of someone that has fat bear paws for hands. Please don't assume anything I say will apply to anyone other than me.

When I saw Andy post the "New Design Frenzy" thread I was happy. It's always cool seeing new designs coming out. And it probably keeps Andy happy by working on new ideas and keeping the creative juices flowing. The designs were bold, and I liked the theme that flowed throughout the series. You could tell they belonged together.

When Phillip asked if I'd like to be a part of the road trip, I agreed. I'd love to take a gander at one of the new designs. Then I started seeing some of the in hand shots and thought "hmm, it looks a little smaller than I was guessing." Even though I had seen the prior reviews, when it got here I was still a little surprised at how small it is. My first reaction was "well this isn't going to go well."

But after I thought about it and played with it some, I realized I was going into it with an incorrect preconceived notion - that this was going to be a Bushcrafting knife. I had to adjust my thinking to "this is an EDC blade for me, like the Hiking Buddy, EDK, Runt, etc." Not that it couldn't suite a different role for a most other people. Once my mindset shifted, most of my worries went away.

I apologize up front for the quality of the pics. It's been raining and snowing a ton this spring and even keeping the knife longer than I should have didn't afford me any good light for pictures.



The first thing I do with every knife I receive is to make a featherstick. This immediately tells me a lot about a knife. Obvious things like how sharp it is, but other stuff as well like what the edge geometry is like, how well it's going to work in wood, and because it's a short burst of repetitive motion, it tells me how comfortable it will be to use in my standard grip.



(There are many sticks like the above lying around my office. I'll pick one up and make feathersticks or try-sticks with them while on calls. And then I get yelled at for tracking wood chips throughout the house.)


The main thing I learned is that this is a 3 finger knife for me. 4 just won't fit and it's very uncomfortable if I try to force the issue. But 3 work just great and it's actually pretty comfortable. Some of the bumps and humps hit in the wrong places of course and hotspots developed pretty quickly as a result. It's not a knife I'd want to try and use for hours on end sitting in camp but neither is the EDK. Use the right tool for the job.

Some hand measurements:
Handspan: 10 3/4"
Hand Length (from tip of your longest finger to base of your palm): 8 1/2″
Hand Width (across the palm above the thumb): 4 1/2″
Hand Circumference (around your hand at the widest point excluding the thumb): 10″









I've been carrying it around in a homemade sheath and using it for day to day EDC type chores. Opening the mail, cutting up food, playing with while sitting in conference calls, etc. Simple stuff that for sure doesn't test a knife like a Fiddleback. But it's the same thing I use my Hiking Buddy for which is my favorite fixed blade EDC'er. And for me the Wingman does that stuff with style. Trailing points have never been my thing, but the Wingman is growing on me. Coupled with the Shadetree clad unique handle design, it's a stunner.

Some comparison shots on the cutting mat. Handyman, Wingman, Hiking Buddy, EDK





I want to reiterate my point about just because this isn't the Bushcraft knife for me doesn't mean it would work great for you. An example would be the trailing point Becker BK15 and its drop point and clip point brothers the BK16 and BK17. Many folks swear by them. They make great bushcrafting blades. Ethan Becker designed them for that purpose. But I can't use them at all because of the size.

Thanks again to Phillip for including me on the road trip. And to Andy for designing it of course. :)
 
I really like the format of this pass-around with multiple people posting their observations and opinions on a single knife in the same thread. I think that is a great resource for potential buyers to read the opinions of multiple voices on a single knife. The invitation group for this pass-around are folks I respect and admire because they are very experienced with scores of Fiddleback Forge knives apiece. This format is great because everyone's hand sizes and preferences will vary to a greater or lesses extent and hearing an informed opinion from a person or persons you can relate to is a wonderful resource.

Thanks Tod (hasco) for sharing your insights. We seem to share a similar hand sizes and viewpoints that the handle design of the Wingman feels good in some grips and less so in others. I agree with your assessment that it would make an awesome hunting & skinning option.

Nathan (thurin), I appreciate reading the perspective of the knife from someone with XXXXL size hands. I was worried whether it would be a two-finger or three-finger knife for you because of your famously large hands. I am glad the it is a three-finger knife for you. Thanks for the comparison photos also. Very informative all the way around.

Phil
 
THis is another great thread. THanks for taking the time. I'm very glad y'all are liking the knife. Right now I"m carrying the drop point Maverick and the handle is so good! I'm loving that knife.
 
Wingman continued: Florida

After reading the reviews and seeing the pictures thus far, I was anxious to get my hands on this little knife as it was starting to grow on me. Like others, the initial design of the latest models honestly did not speak to me. The trailing point and Khukuri shaped handles just didn't seem to correspond with my personal knife needs or tastes. But, as I said, something had begun to peak my curiosity.

The package containing the knife arrived last week. Without fail, I received the usual snarky response from my wife..."Let me guess, another knife?" After our quick friendly jabs and an explanation of what this was, she actually wanted to see what all the hype was about. Pulling the knife out of the box, I quickly gripped the knife in my hand. Hmm, I said. She said "what?" so, I handed her the knife and she said "this is Andy's?, huh, that's odd." I had to laugh. Then when she held the knife, I heard, "Surprisingly comfortable." I figured that I would mention this considering that this response seems to be a reoccurring theme. Sorry Andy, no disrespect. Just kind of funny in an ironic way.

As like most of you, I carry a blade with me on a daily basis. Most often it is a small folder clipped to the inside of my pocket or my unobtrusive fixed EDC Esquire with an ISP sheath. Considering that I had not sought out this design as a purchase for a specific use, I figured that I would just go ahead and carry this knife on my belt for a few days and see how it would perform as my primary cutting tool.

The following is a brief overview of me using the knife for various tasks. Luckily, Phil was the first to review this knife, so listing all of the "comprehensive" details again in this review would be redundant. Thank you Phil!
Towards the end, I will recap and share my final thoughts of the Wingman.


First things first. I needed a sheath. Luckily, the one and only sheath I've ever made fit it fairly well considering that I didn't want to pierce a hole through it with the trailing point.
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On the first day of carry, it only seemed fitting to use the Wingman to slice up some fruit for breakfast. I can honestly say that the most repetitive task I use any knife for period is slicing small fruits and vegetables for smoothies. For this reason, I have many paring knives. My favorite being the least expensive I own. Go figure.
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On Saturdays, I usually do yard work. Pruning bushes and clearing limbs often gives me a chance to use a blade or just play around a bit with some soft bark:
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Inspired by the Wingman, this past Sunday I took a long overdue drive to a local state park to get in a couple hours of fishing. To me, the Wingman slightly resembles a fillet knife. Mostly because of the blade shape, but of course smaller. So, without having an opportunity to skin an animal as I am sure most here are all waiting to see this knife do, I figured that I'd do the next best thing, try to fillet a fish!
Now the hard part: Catch one. Oh wait, it's Florida and the tide is going out. Shouldn't be too difficult.


First up, some glamour shots:
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Here, I was only able to capture one of them coming up for air, but this was actually a pair of manatee grazing just off the shore.
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Passing the time waiting for a bite.
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Bingo! First in, an average sized sheepshead. Caught two of these for the day.
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Next up, a mature Mangrove Snapper. At 12" it put up a fight like a 20"
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Okay, back to the knife. So, considering that the Wingman's blade length is shorter than the average fillet knife, I didn't attempt to use a single cut to fillet the fish. Instead I worked at removing the flesh in more of a skinning manner. Pulling away and slicing the flesh from the skeleton of the fish. I really wanted to see how the knife performed in this task.
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Over the course of the weekend, I was able to use the Wingman in many different ways. From mundane tasks such as opening mail and plastic bags to feathering sticks and filleting fish. Here are my humble opinions on how the knife performed.

Ergonomics:
Pros:
Although the blade and handle shape were not initially appealing to me, having the knife in hand and using it for some time has given me a new perspective. As previously discussed in earlier reviews, the humps and swells in the handle seem to fit snug in all the right areas of your hand to "lock-in" a firm grip while still being very comfortable. This is mostly felt in the standard forward grip.
Cons:
Choking up on the knife or twisting your grip around the handle was a bit challenging. Once the handle's shape left the seated mold of your palm, those humps and swells didn't allow me to be as nimble with the knife as I would have liked. However, as with most things, in time I got used to it.

Cutting/Slicing:
Pros:
The knife arrived to me with a sharp edge. I am unsure if any of the prior reviewers sharpened the knife. Forgive me if I overlooked a mention of this. Out of the packaging, it sliced paper and plastic with ease. In the kitchen, the Wingman excelled in certain areas. I particularly liked the skinny trailing point of the blade when it came time to core out a pit or seeds. It also peeled fruit with ease using a reverse grip - a benefit of the blade shape.
While feathering a stick, the blade performed well. Not biting too aggressively into the wood and with a standard grip, it was a comfortable action.
Filleting/skinning a fish was effortless. I can see how an avid hunter might gravitate heavily towards this knife and I would greatly like to see it it in action.
Cons:
On the downside, due to the upswept blade shape, you loose direct surface cutting area. It is especially noticed when slicing foods on the cutting board.
And, although this particular knife has 1/8" blade stock, I would certainly see the benefit of owning one in 3/32"

Carry:
Pros:
At roughly the size of a Hiking Buddy and weighing 4.2oz, this knife could easily fit within the EDC category. The swell at the butt of the handle allows for a quick and easy draw from a sheath.
Cons:
1) I would definitely recommend a sheath specifically made for this model. The sharp, sweeping tip and its angle forced me to carefully holster the knife every time so that I don't accidentally pierce the sheath.
2) Drawing the knife in public may draw some ire from Pirate haters ;)

Thoughts:
Initially, not being in awe with the Wingman design, I already had my prejudices in place. I feel that a lot of us shook our heads when the sketches hit forum. With the knife in hand though, I was able to study the unique lines of this design and gradually began to appreciate many things. First, I appreciate and commend Andy for stepping out of his comfort zone with these new designs and creating something fresh. I always use the age old adage: Variety is the Spice of Life. I get the feeling that with the sheer number of models in Andy's lineup, he doesn't like doing the same thing over and over either. Secondly, this is no boring knife! Each time I set it down on a surface, hold it a different way, take a picture of it, I see a new shape take form and it's getting cooler and cooler.

Finally:
In all I have to ask myself. Would I want to own and use this knife on a regular basis. The answer to that is........ Probably. I know, not a definitive yes, but there's a reason. I think for me to really want to own this model and for what I would intend to use it for, it would likely have to have three criteria:
1) Stainless
2) 3/32"
3) Shadetree Burlap scales.
With these attributes, I could definitely see myself purchasing a Wingman to use as my full time fishing knife!

If you hadn't noticed, the knife arrived to me in like new condition. Sharp edge, no scratches and no patina. Sorry Phillip, but I put some mileage on it:
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Now, I would hate to send it along in worse shape than received, so the Wingman went through a mini-spa service here in Florida. Nothing drastic, just a good cleaning and patina removal.
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Thank you Phillip for initiating this pass-around and allowing me to use your Wingman for a bit!
 
That was an excellent review Sergio!. I love the fact that you used it in a variety of typical tasks for a knife this size. Your photos complimented the write-up really well. I appreciate that your pro & con analysis covers different characteristics of the knife.

Well done my friend. I am looking forward to seeing you at the Blade Show next month.

Phil
 
Awesome reviews guys! I'm still not sold on these new models, but I'm getting more and more intrigued by a couple of them. Specifically this one and the Renegade have me curious.
 
That was an excellent, comprehensive review Sergio! I really liked all the pictures, especially the fishing ones. Makes me want to go fishing right now!!!!! I have never been to Florida but it looks like a cool place.

Thanks for sharing!!!
 
thanks for starting this M4super90

its really interesting to read everyones opinions
 
That was an excellent review Sergio!. I love the fact that you used it in a variety of typical tasks for a knife this size. Your photos complimented the write-up really well. I appreciate that your pro & con analysis covers different characteristics of the knife.

Well done my friend. I am looking forward to seeing you at the Blade Show next month.

Phil

Thanks Phil. Your reviews are a hard act to follow. I look forward to catching up with you at Blade as well. It's right around the corner!

Awesome reviews guys! I'm still not sold on these new models, but I'm getting more and more intrigued by a couple of them. Specifically this one and the Renegade have me curious.

Now that it's on its way to the next reviewer, I have to say, there is something I miss about this little knife. Hope you get a chance to put one in your hand one day. It might tip the scales for you.

That was an excellent, comprehensive review Sergio! I really liked all the pictures, especially the fishing ones. Makes me want to go fishing right now!!!!! I have never been to Florida but it looks like a cool place.

Thanks for sharing!!!

Thanks man. I love to fish. Florida, just like any other place has its ups and downs, but I'd have to say I think it's heavily weighted in the "ups" category.
Ironically, I have never been to California. Colorado is the furthest west I've traveled. Santa Cruz must be nice too.
 
As promised I wanted to follow up my initial post with a few in-hand field shots. I was fortunate to be able to spend a little time over the holidays in the motherland. My initial perceptions of the Wingman were that it would make a decent skinner, so skin with I did! I was able hunt for a few hours at the end of December and had ample opportunity to but some meat in the freezer.

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In order to test some of the things about the knife, I started this cleaning job in a little different fashion than usual. Normally I don't cut into the hair, I make an incision and cut out on the skin as to not push hair in. Fur and hide posed no challenge and the stiff hair didn't seem to dull the edge noticeably.

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Skinning was easy, but as you can see from the photo below, the trailing tip design can take a little getting use to. Certainly more than I anticipated. If you weren't consciously thinking about where you wanted the knife tip to be, it was a little off. In a minute or two it became old hat. However, realizing you have muscle memory to skinning with another knife design is an odd sensation at first. Not as bad a brushing your teeth with your non-dominant hand, but it is .... a little weird.

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Clean cuts in the muscle were a breeze and I was amazed at how quickly and precisely the tip allowed me to work around the femur and pelvis area. Essentially I de-boned and removed the hams in one piece. Notice the amount of clean bone exposed.

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As another test I did the standard backstrap removal. It was easy to trace the spine all the way to the neck.

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The 1/8” A2 slipped nicely into the separation between the backstrap and the top of the ribs.

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Keeping the blade flat against the rib cage posed no problem and there was little, to no, wasted meat left behind.

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My wife was there as well, and I took the opportunity to compare her F2 to the Wingman

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I repeated the process on the other half of the deer using the F2 with similar results. I was interesting to switch back and forth between the two handle styles and the F2 fit my muscle memory better than the Wingman. Not better performing, but just felt more natural since I have a lot of time with the HB.

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Here’s a parting shot of what I accomplished in about 15 minutes using the two knives – 2 whole de-boned hams, 2 backstraps, and 2 tenderloins.

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The Wingman has turned out to be a great little knife and I enjoy this one particularly because it has been through so many familiar hands here. It now lives in my hunting pack in Texas and will hopefully see a lot of use in the near future.
Not mentioned before, but there were things that came back with the knife from the road trip that it did not leave with. A new case, some USA Made Blade koozies, a few stickers and it was far sharper than when it left. It’s nice to know it made some friends along the way and I thank all that participated.
 
Awesome! I had very similar results with the Maverick. I haven't put the F2 onto big game yet but I know it would work great
 
Very cool to see the Wingman in action. Thanks to everyone who participated in the review, it is always great to see what other people think. I enjoyed reading the different perspectives and viewpoints y'all presented. Oh yeah, the pics don't hurt either :D :thumbup: :thumbup:
 
Great post Phillip! It's awesome to see the Wingman finally completing the mission you had in mind when you bought it. It certainly performed well.

This was a fitting closure to the pass around thread. Thanks again for the opportunity to participate.

Phil
 
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