+1 on that, plus two in the truck. :thumbup:
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+1 on that, plus two in the truck. :thumbup:
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I never go anywhere unarmed.
26 years in Floridastan made me that way.
Had a home invasion one night. 2 Jamaicans with pistols. They left in body bags.
Had an attempted truck jacking in North Miami after hurricane Andrew. A 44 silvertip to the upper leg changed his attitude..
26 years in Floridastan made me that way.
Had a home invasion one night. 2 Jamaicans with pistols. They left in body bags.
Had an attempted truck jacking in North Miami after hurricane Andrew. A 44 silvertip to the upper leg changed his attitude..
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Toucan Oasis What are the regulations-law for carry in Costa Rica?
As I become older I find I carry more when with the family. Even tho my daughters are grown they are still my responsibility when we are out and about. I agree that the further you are away from the trail heads the less likely you are to encounter bad guys. However you are going in and out of the trail head providing opportunities for bad guys.
As I become older I find I carry more when with the family. Even tho my daughters are grown they are still my responsibility when we are out and about. I agree that the further you are away from the trail heads the less likely you are to encounter bad guys. However you are going in and out of the trail head providing opportunities for bad guys.
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A man carries a weapon to protect females and children.All you liberals and sheep to lazy to carry for your own protection grow and set and have a plan. That is unless you plan on fighting off a few armed rapists unarmed or intend to throw yourself to some rabid dogs or hungry animal as a distraction.If that's your plan,it sucks.
The problem with this country is some people can see no valid reason to carry a firearm but to protect their own behind.
I suppose they intend to run or hide when a real man is needed.That or die with the satisfaction of knowing they didn't tire themselves out carrying those few ounces of useless weight around.
Hey,I supposed you need to know your limitations.Some men step up when the time comes others can call a real man 911.Then the officer can write a nice report about some innocent person injured or killed because no one but sheep were on site when men were needed.
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Down here in the rural Florida panhandle/Apalachicola N'tnl Forest I have come across lots of strange people in the woods. Some by themselves and some in literal 'tent cities'.
I carry a .40 when walking/hiking/camping....and not for animals. I usually have my girlfriend and a mini-beagle with me and would not hesitate to shootabitch who I felt was a threat to our lives. This is the absolute last thing I would ever to want to be confronted with.....but I was a Boy Scout and you know the motto. On the other hand, I seldom if ever carry in public though.
BTW, Gary Hilton killed his last victim in the forest about 15 miles from my house.....I saw her abandoned car on the side of the road (unbeknownst to me at the time).
I carry a .40 when walking/hiking/camping....and not for animals. I usually have my girlfriend and a mini-beagle with me and would not hesitate to shootabitch who I felt was a threat to our lives. This is the absolute last thing I would ever to want to be confronted with.....but I was a Boy Scout and you know the motto. On the other hand, I seldom if ever carry in public though.
BTW, Gary Hilton killed his last victim in the forest about 15 miles from my house.....I saw her abandoned car on the side of the road (unbeknownst to me at the time).
It is an individual choice based on personal comfort and threat perceptions.
Here in Utah, there's a bunch of open space. With the proliferation of ATVs & UTVs in the past 20 years, I now run into far more people when I go out to explore than I did when I started doing that 40 years ago.
Over the years I've found strange things (LOTTA underwear) in out of the way places that surprised me, and nowdays I'm finding strange people in out of the way places that surprise me.
Most are friendly, some are questionable.
About every three or four years a deer hunter finds a decomposed body up in the hills someplace.
Last year less than a week after a buddy & I did a mountain UTV trip less than 60 miles from my house, we saw on the news a multi-million-dollar marijuana farm had been raided in the same canyon area we'd been in. Also less than five miles from a small ex-mining town up there, and very near a popular trailriding area.
Two years ago while out on a ride exploring with my adult daughter & her husband, I was riding ahead of them & came out of heavy growth into a clearing face to face with a very sizable bull that was not happy to see me encroaching on his (and his herd of females') domain. I backed off, he had moved on by the time the other vehicle found me, and my daughter had to take a pitstop break. While she was on the ground behind some trees, there was a very distinct possibility of the bull returning, and my daughter has an old climbing leg injury that prevents her from running. Fortunately, the bull did not return.
Four years ago when we were UTV-ing in the Idaho mountains, a hiker was killed by a bear a couple hundred miles east of where we were.
On one trip following a long-abandoned mining road high up in the woods we found a sizable deposit of non-vegetarian animal waste product in the middle of the overgrown "road" on the way back down that was not there on the way up.
Five years ago, in a mountain area used for casual camping and regular hunting every year (20 miles from three small population centers, including my home), my wife & I were following a trail on foot looking for a spot to get some photography done. Stumbled across five or six Spanish-speaking guys taking a bath in a small creek pool in some willows. No camping gear, no parked vehicles nearby, no horses. Their conversation quieted markedly when they saw us, one of the things I was there to photograph was a Remington .308 slung on a shoulder & very visible.
The following year while UTV-ing again, bro-in-law and I came across a van stuck in a wash on a rough dirt road one canyon over from where we'd encountered the pool bathers. The lone Spanish-speaking occupant signaled for help, which we gave, while watching him & the area closely. Not the type of terrain you'd normally take a van into for recreational purposes.
(Note, please: this is not intended to imply Spanish-speaking males are automatically suspect, and it is NOT not a racial commentary. Simply noting incidents in out of the way places that were somewhat out of the ordinary, and the marijuana farm mentioned earlier is not the only one found locally.)
In organized campgrounds here in Utah, bears have caused injury and death.
We have cougars on the mountain two miles behind the house. Hiking up there with a 9-year-old neice two years ago, we found a deposit on the trail from another non-grass-eater.
We have no restrictions against firearms in the woods outside of hunting season here, and I never hit the dirt unarmed.
I've never needed a firearm yet in 40 years of backcountry bumming, but....
It's my threat assessment based on what I know is out there, and the fact that police & paramedics do not travel with me. Most of the time, neither does cellphone service.
Denis
Here in Utah, there's a bunch of open space. With the proliferation of ATVs & UTVs in the past 20 years, I now run into far more people when I go out to explore than I did when I started doing that 40 years ago.
Over the years I've found strange things (LOTTA underwear) in out of the way places that surprised me, and nowdays I'm finding strange people in out of the way places that surprise me.
Most are friendly, some are questionable.
About every three or four years a deer hunter finds a decomposed body up in the hills someplace.
Last year less than a week after a buddy & I did a mountain UTV trip less than 60 miles from my house, we saw on the news a multi-million-dollar marijuana farm had been raided in the same canyon area we'd been in. Also less than five miles from a small ex-mining town up there, and very near a popular trailriding area.
Two years ago while out on a ride exploring with my adult daughter & her husband, I was riding ahead of them & came out of heavy growth into a clearing face to face with a very sizable bull that was not happy to see me encroaching on his (and his herd of females') domain. I backed off, he had moved on by the time the other vehicle found me, and my daughter had to take a pitstop break. While she was on the ground behind some trees, there was a very distinct possibility of the bull returning, and my daughter has an old climbing leg injury that prevents her from running. Fortunately, the bull did not return.
Four years ago when we were UTV-ing in the Idaho mountains, a hiker was killed by a bear a couple hundred miles east of where we were.
On one trip following a long-abandoned mining road high up in the woods we found a sizable deposit of non-vegetarian animal waste product in the middle of the overgrown "road" on the way back down that was not there on the way up.
Five years ago, in a mountain area used for casual camping and regular hunting every year (20 miles from three small population centers, including my home), my wife & I were following a trail on foot looking for a spot to get some photography done. Stumbled across five or six Spanish-speaking guys taking a bath in a small creek pool in some willows. No camping gear, no parked vehicles nearby, no horses. Their conversation quieted markedly when they saw us, one of the things I was there to photograph was a Remington .308 slung on a shoulder & very visible.
The following year while UTV-ing again, bro-in-law and I came across a van stuck in a wash on a rough dirt road one canyon over from where we'd encountered the pool bathers. The lone Spanish-speaking occupant signaled for help, which we gave, while watching him & the area closely. Not the type of terrain you'd normally take a van into for recreational purposes.
(Note, please: this is not intended to imply Spanish-speaking males are automatically suspect, and it is NOT not a racial commentary. Simply noting incidents in out of the way places that were somewhat out of the ordinary, and the marijuana farm mentioned earlier is not the only one found locally.)
In organized campgrounds here in Utah, bears have caused injury and death.
We have cougars on the mountain two miles behind the house. Hiking up there with a 9-year-old neice two years ago, we found a deposit on the trail from another non-grass-eater.
We have no restrictions against firearms in the woods outside of hunting season here, and I never hit the dirt unarmed.
I've never needed a firearm yet in 40 years of backcountry bumming, but....
It's my threat assessment based on what I know is out there, and the fact that police & paramedics do not travel with me. Most of the time, neither does cellphone service.
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Wow. I bow in honor to what a real man you are:thumbup:
Damn those liberals and sheep anyway:thumbdn:
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ATVs (all-terrain-vehicles) are the one-seater motorcycle-type-steering outfits.
UTVs (utility vehicles) are bigger two-seater side-by-sides with cargo bed, roll cage, and a steering wheel.
Mine's a Yamaha Rhino, I need the back support, more comfortable for a passenger, and the cargo bed's handy for gear. Kinda like a mini 4-wheel drive truck.
Denis
UTVs (utility vehicles) are bigger two-seater side-by-sides with cargo bed, roll cage, and a steering wheel.
Mine's a Yamaha Rhino, I need the back support, more comfortable for a passenger, and the cargo bed's handy for gear. Kinda like a mini 4-wheel drive truck.
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Marijuana growing.....good point. The panhandle here has a huge production of pot. In the small town I grew up in (and I mean 28,000 people in the entire county currently) the sheriff's budget is $6million+
You unwittingly roll up on a million dollar patch of sticky and you may be on the lower level of the food chain.....especially in the middle of the National Forest.
I've walked up on small patches now and then.....it is a very unsettling feeling.
You unwittingly roll up on a million dollar patch of sticky and you may be on the lower level of the food chain.....especially in the middle of the National Forest.
I've walked up on small patches now and then.....it is a very unsettling feeling.
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I learned something today! Thanks!:thumbup:
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That's great except it didn't stop soldiers from confiscating weapons in New Orleans. How do you choose between what you're sworn to do and what you're ordered to do? The constitution is a piece of paper with words on it. When people don't know or don't care about those words, they become meaningless.Wash away the Constitutional foundation from the house and the house crumbles. As a VERY proud member of our U.S. military, I worked for the people, not for a government that set itself up separate and apart from its people. I was constantly reminded that my multi-million dollar combat aircraft belonged to the "taxpayers", not me.My military brethren take an oath to "uphold" our precious Constitution, not remove it. We will be keeping our guns, Sir.
As to the original question need is a relative term. I doubt any have NEEDED their gun in the back country but that doesn't mean one shouldn't have a gun. I don't carry but that's my decision. For me it was a numbers game. The chances of me needing a gun are slim so I choose not to hassle with the weight, packability, and legality of having it.I also don't have to worry about children/family members when I am out. If I did my attitude might change.
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Wow. :thumbdn:
I have to applaud some of you guys. Not content to exercise your own freedoms the way you see fit, you have to insult those who choose to operate differently and suggest that we ought to see the light and do things your way, because to do anything else would simply be irresponsible.
It's this sort of attitude that always drives these threads into the ground.
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Umm there were several examples laid out in this thread were people have NEEDED their gun. You should go back and read.
Two legged critters aside there are many many areas where you NEED a gun just to be in the woods safely otherwise you are asking to be eaten. Especially anywhere up in Alsaka/Canada where they have grizzly, brown and polar bears. I would be very leery anywhere's there are Mountain Lions too seems they are getting braver or more populated and attacks by them are more frequent.
InfidelShootist's post was not the way I think most of us "gun bearers" think. I don't believe real men carry guns and that someone is a lesser man if they don't.
It is everyones right to choose. However if you choose not to I would hope you are also responsible about where and how you venture out. If you go somewhere where you shouldn't unarmed and something happens to you I have about as much compassion for you as people who die jumping out of planes for fun or climbing mountains in the dead of winter or swimming in shark infested water. It is your right to do these things but don't expect a lot of eyebrow raising when something bad happens to you.
It's funny that people who wouldn't drive into the "bad part of town" with a brand new Mercedes at 3am in the morning because something bad might happen to them seem to think it's no big deal to walk around in bear country in nothing but cargo shorts.
Common sense goes a long ways with guns and without them too.
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I was going through U words too....Thanks, I didn't know that either. Those babies are cool! :thumbup:
The illegal drug farms are definitely a concern, my problem is that I wouldn't even know what marijuana looks like.... If I wasn't worried about starting a forest fire, it would be fun to be careless with a cigarette...
Hypothetically, of course.Thats a valid point. With a realistic risk assessment ppl in some cases would propably end up wearing a helmet and wrist supports in the woods rather than carrying a gun. But, I think we all know that carrying a gun can be about something else than realistic risk assessments.
Anyway, Im really glad I live in a place where I can go out hiking or whatever without being armed.
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I own guns and sometimes have one on me when I spend time outdoors. My hope is that I am never thinking to myself "damn, wish I had a gun right now." Need one? I don't know. I do know I have a first aid kit, fire strating material and rations for a couple of days in my truck.
The UTVs ARE cool, but very practical. I can drive rough country all day long with full bucket seat support, I can talk to a passenger, I can carry spare food, fuel, water, and other emergency gear in the bed.
Goes places Jeeps are too big to get through.
Denis
Goes places Jeeps are too big to get through.
Denis