Worst Info ever!

softrockrenegade said:
better than the guy who cuts out the middleman and pays nobody but himself!! seems a bit more selfish if you ask me...
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Greedy bastid. He should hire people he doesn't need just to lower his profit and make less of a living for himself...no, wait. Nevermind. He should go through a middleman when he doesn't have to so the middleman can mark up the prices and push people into buying fewer knives, if any at all, thereby making less for everyone involved, and leaving me with fewer knives for my knife buying budget. Really, everybody wins.
 
Gentlemen, play nice!

You don't have to insult each other to make a point. Address the topic with some forethought, don't just slam words down and post without thinking.

This is supposed to be a discussion forum. If you prefer gladiatorial combat, go to Practical Tactical or the Political Arena.

And don't use the jerkit icon in the General Knife Discussion. We are looking for light here, not heat.
 
softrockrenegade said:
yeah i know!! it sucks having local stores that sell stuff you want that also employ people that live in your town so they can buy stuff from stores that are also in your town and give even more people jobs.... dont be a jerk!!! online shopping is killing our economy so you can save what? a few dollars !!!
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I hate to also be a "jerk", but the online stores I buy from are based in America selling America made products. My purchases are helping employ Americans just as much as a brick and mortor store. Not only that, but by shipping my product I also help pay for the employment of UPS and FedEx.

Please don't counter with B&M Employs X Americans while Knivesshipfree.com only emlpoys Y Americans. Because by that logic, corner knife shops are in the same boat (1 or 2 Americans selling knives for a living).
 
I almost always buy in brick & mortar stores. I’ve yet to encounter a truly knowledgeable sales person when it comes to knives.

Even when shopping for high end watches I’m often shocked at the level of misinformation.

In general I'm content with good and pleasant service and accept a lack of any real advice. I've learned to do my research before I go to the shop.

Rafael
 
I buy many knives online but I also buy as many or more new and used from my local B&M store .I do not have any problem spending a few more dollars both to keep my B&M store open but I like the guy who owns it even if he is not always so friendly and I think he should be able to make a living off something I find wonderful .I have a problem with stores in general that are owned by idiots and run poorly. I don`t know why someone would think that spending money locally would keep funds local but if that is what you believe that is fine just understand that everyone will not think the same as you .
 
To be fair I do expect someone earning minimum wage to put forth effort no matter what the job, after all don't they want a position making more than minimum wage? How are they going to get that by never showing or taking any initiative? After all maybe if the sales person made the effort to educated themselves about the product they could do more in total volume and more up selling (high end/expensive knives). Then maybe a raise would be in order for said sales person as the shop as a whole was becoming more profitable, heck maybe a promotion, maybe a new location, etc.

Also who said online shopping is killing our economy? WHAT? There are a lot of things without question hurting our economy but online shopping is not the sole or largest culprit by a long shot, not even close. Cutting out the middle man in SOME situations is good for the consumer allowing the consumer to keep and spend somewhere else or on something else. Save and/or invest more of their money which promotes overall economic growth.

didn't mean to get off track.
 
It's one thing for a salesman to not know much about knives. It's another to outright lie.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
what isn't correct?

Admiral Steel sells steel.

sandvik, cpm, hitachi, etc, are manufacturers.
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I thought they actually manufactured as well. In some industries you can manufacturer someone else's product, use their name, and just pay a license fee. I thought that was what they were doing with those steels.
 
richw said:
I thought they actually manufactured as well. In some industries you can manufacturer someone else's product, use their name, and just pay a license fee. I thought that was what they were doing with those steels.
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i see.

as far as i know, the process for cpm's steels is proprietary, though i could be wrong.

the only thing i see they have attached their name to is some varieties of damascus.

and at least with hitachi, ive read in quite a few places that they are fairly restrictive on even allowing knifemakers to heat treat zdp, so i would think that a pretty good argument against any outsourcing or licensing of their products.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
i see.

as far as i know, the process for cpm's steels is proprietary, though i could be wrong.

the only thing i see they have attached their name to is some varieties of damascus.

and at least with hitachi, ive read in quite a few places that they are fairly restrictive on even allowing knifemakers to heat treat zdp, so i would think that a pretty good argument against any outsourcing or licensing of their products.
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I think you are probably right.
 
Reno is lacking in B&M stores and the joints that do stock knives just don't do a good enough job to pique my interest. In fact the best selection of knives in Reno are the big ticket stores like Scheels, Cabela's and Sportsman's. Although each has a few knives I'd own you have to sort through a lot of Mall Ninja stuff to see them. I'd have to say the best knife I have ever seen in a display case in Reno was a single BM 630 at Sportman's they had for full MSRP. It sold though . . .
 
The wife and I were in a cutlery store in Petaluma and I asked the gal behind the counter if they had any carbon steel folders. She said no, nobody really makes them any more. I asked if they had any Case cv knives, she said yes, but they were not carbon steel! I told her that I was pretty sure they were (didn't want to make her feel bad...), she actually laughed at me and "informed" me that the "c" in cv stood for chrome, and that meant they were stainless... I chose not too argue, and ended up buying a Benchmade Lerch.
 
LorenzoL said:
I hate B&M stores.
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I hate a lot of them as well, but some of them actually provide good products that they can actually talk INTELLIGENTLY about. A lot of employees at B&M stores either a) don't know what the hell they are talking about like the lady the OP mentioed, or will b) outright lie to sell a product.

I once went into a gun store in my hometown and was looking at their rifles (I know enough about weapons that if I purchase a firearm, I already know what it is worth and the specifications of it). They had a Rem 700P. I asked to see it, and how much it was. The man (one of the only 3 people that worked at the gun store) told me it was $1400. My jaw dropped. I asked the man, why it was so expensive here, when I could buy it on sites like Impact Guns for $900ish (I have no idea what they go for now, but that is what they sold for at the time). He fed me a bunch of fabricated BS about the barrel being this, and the trigger being that to justify the rifle he was selling as being worth $500 more than the same rifle from another online dealer.

Part of being a good salesman is knowing your product well, and being able to "sell" the product without lying to a person.

Either way, there are bad B&M stores and there are good ones, just like everything else in life.
 
They have quite a big internet exposure, so my take would be no. Plus, Dan is quite active on USN where he has his own sub-forum.
 
LorenzoL said:
So I have to be ripped off by a store owner (who, BTW, will pay the lowest wage possible to his employees) in order to subsidize the local economy and not be a jerk? : jerkit :

I am talking about small stores, not online stores that started as a B&M.
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I agree. I tried to go to a local B&M store in the Ft. Worth area. They had a HUGE selection. However, they wanted FULL retail for everything. I was looking at buying an RC-6. Online I can get it for about $98-$106. They wanted $200 for the knife!! All their knives were priced like that. There's NO WAY I'm going to pay double just so an overpriced knife store can stay in business. I mean.. I could buy a RC-6 and Izula and RAT-1 all for the price they wanted for just the RC-6.
 
I rarely visit B&M stores. I haven't been to a knife shop since I lost my driver's license in 08. I have edge-ucated many store owners but the bulk of their clients are people who see hi$ and want to buy it because it costs hi$.
 
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