WOT: bullpup hunting rifle

jebediah, my experiences are not gospel, but I managed a gun store for three and a half years and sold many Minis. I've owned one- and changed barrels. My friends have owned them. In the High Desert in Ca it was customary to burn off cases of ammo with AK's, Mini's, Garands, etc.

I do not believe the Mini an unreliable weapon for a second. That action is proven and simple. It will take a lot more gunge than any AR. I personally believe you have heard wrong- but I could be wrong!! Maybe the only good Mini's lived in Ca.

However, I too, wanted an AR and got one. I like accuracy.



munk
 
While looking around I found a little information on a post WWI era bullpup bolt action rifle. The concept was that the pistol grip would act as the bolt lever and the action would be behind the grip. The concept was dropped but the research done on that rifle was important in future bullpups. I wonder if it's possible to work that idea into a .30-06. It might take some machining for the metal parts (latch to hold the grip in place, rod that attaches to bolt and runs through the grip, etc...)

Actually it isnt all that disimilar from a pump action. Just put the trigger on the pump. ohh. now I'm getting even more ideas.

edit instead of double post.

Is this you spectre? http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-75846.html

If so do you know if anything ever came of it?
 
Yeah, that was me. Nothing came of it, as far as I know (Stringer, incidentally, had medical problems, heart and other, after that, that may or may not have led to numerous complaints on the part of his customers regarding service they had received in the year prior to onset of symptoms.)

On the other hand, my friend Larry Correia has developed a bullpup system for FAL. It is a much better system than the one displayed at the last SHOT show,
with the exposed transfer bar. :rolleyes: Larry is still looking for funding to mass-produce, but I think if anyone here wanted to put down about 3K, he could make one for you. :)

Chief complaints about bps seem to be: spongy trigger, smoke in face, lack of ambidextrious use. I personally don't see detonation as a major issue, but that's because I'd have a blast shield between shooter's face and chamber.

John
 
In 1991 I had a chance to buy a mint Steyr-Aug bullpup (green; 5.56 mm.) with a dozen 30 round mags for $900 from a gunsmith friend of mine, and turned it down for lack of funds. By the time of the unconstitutional 1994 Krime Bill the same rifle was selling for $2700!

Beautiful little rifle. A friend of mine is lucky enough to have TWO of them in his collection. He also has a dozen other selective fire weapons in his collection; kind of makes me ill every time I see them! Lucky guy...

Regards,

Norm
 
munk said:
jebediah, my experiences are not gospel, but I managed a gun store for three and a half years and sold many Minis. I've owned one- and changed barrels. My friends have owned them. In the High Desert in Ca it was customary to burn off cases of ammo with AK's, Mini's, Garands, etc.

I do not believe the Mini an unreliable weapon for a second. That action is proven and simple. It will take a lot more gunge than any AR. I personally believe you have heard wrong- but I could be wrong!! Maybe the only good Mini's lived in Ca.

However, I too, wanted an AR and got one. I like accuracy.



munk
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I hope I have heard wrong. I always loved rugers pistols and bolts, but never had much experience with their semi auto rifles. Ive handled a few minis at gun shows but never fired one. Maybe I stopped looking too soon. Plus, the A-Team used minis, and I know that Mr. T wouldnt use a sub-standard rifle.
 
Jeb, my thinking is that you heard right, but that you heard all the bad things. A friend of mine who worked at mcdonalds was told by the management that 9 out of 10 unhappy customers complain as opposed to 1 out of 10 happy customers compliment.
 
I wouldn't use a .223 for hunting, but
http://www.snipercountrypx.com/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=2941 has the Bushmaster M17S Bullpup for $675. (Item will ship in 1-3 business days)

Features hard anodized aircraft aluminum receiver with Weaver type scope mount rails. Fiberglass filled stock and pistol grip. Ambidextrous magazine release. Accepts all M16 type magazines.

Caliber - 5.56 mm (.223 Rem.)
Overall length - 30 inches (76 cm)
Barrel length - 21.5 inches (54.6 cm)
Weight (w/o mag) - 8.2 Ibs. (3.72 kg)
Barrel Specs. - Chrome Moly Vanadium Steel with chrome plated chamber and bore. Rifling: 6 grooves / R.H. twist / 1 turn in 9 inches
Maximum Effective Range - 600 meters
Magazine Capacity - Accepts all M16/AR15 magazines except drum type
Ammunition - All M193, M855, Tracer, Blank, 5.56 mm NATO Standard or SAAMI Spec. .223 Rem. ammunition can be utilized in the M17S

Regards,
Bill
 
Vangard Firearms already makes a bullpup bolt action rifle. It's a .270,.30-06 rem. modle 700 action in an aluminum frame. it has a 5 round cap. internal mag. and a rail system. They usually sell it to police depts. for snipers and such, but anyone could purchase it from them.
 
skip the bull pup design A good hunting rifle will need to have a clean crisp trigger. Because of the extended trigger conntections bull pups almost never have a decent trigger pull. In fact skip the rifle design altogether and get one of these http://matrix.dumpshock.com/raygun/firearms/pistol/sw_x.html either cal will flatten anything in North America. What part of oregon are you in Im always looking for new shooting buddies?
 
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14 month old thread, folks. Some of these people don't even post here anymore. Just a friendly reminder.

(Could probably use a shift to the Cantina as well.)
 
Dave Rishar said:
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14 month old thread, folks. Some of these people don't even post here anymore. Just a friendly reminder.

(Could probably use a shift to the Cantina as well.)
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Is that God or Santa Claus?...Zeus?:confused: Also, is he an avid bowler, or just a fan of humorously large bubble gum? And is he in D.C.?...and did i slip through a timewarp? I'm so confused:confused: :confused: :confused: Ow, i think i'm bleeding from the ears again.

Yeah, material for the the Cantina:D

Jake
 
styer aug

Had one. Didn't like it. Small scope af about 2x power as I remember. Could not put anything higher on it. Also the .223 cal is underpowered except for a few thin skinned critters.

Paid $600 when it came out and sold it for $2400 a few years later. Neat looking.
 
I had no connection with Special Teams for the first ten years of my 30 with the Fed. Beginning about 30 years ago and continuing until my retirement over ten years ago, I had nearly weekly (or more often) contact with SWAT in Detroit, ERT, MSP's Response Team, and later several teams in Indiana while Special Agent in Charge there as well. I learned that the mindset of many professional operators was "new gadget" oriented, and the question most often asked by these very dedicated guys was most often "Can it be done?", rather than "Is it practical?" or even "Should we do it just because we can?"!!!

Several of these guys experimented with Bullpup designs, the best of which was the Steyr AUG. To my knowledge, ALL of these operators came away several hundred (or in a few cases, several THOUSAND dollars) poorer, and with the firm conviction that in the final analysis the design parameters were NOT consistent with increased performance. I personally would not consider even a strong bolt action that near my face and hearing, but if the bullpup design gives you an erection, knock your lights out.
 
That's pretty close to the eventual place I've ended, too. The exception MIGHT be building a BP machine pistol.

J
 
I'm gonna veer a bit:the .223 can be good for deer and medum stuff just know a few things.

1-anything over a 100yds is too much,under a 100yd is good under 75yds is better.

2-twist is a curse with a bolt gun-why? they have 1-12 twists...lousy for anything over 55gr 1-9 let's you use a Nosler 60gr and you can count on that for deer

3-short range=low power scope...in other words leave the 3-22 power thing at home! :D a 1.5-4.5 or so is just right.

I'd pop anything one could hunt in WV with a .223...even wild pigs :D and before anyone gripes about my love of the .223 ask yourself this,do you hunt with a bow and arrow?? if so do you think that little arrow has more power then a .223? :D
 
Here in Va, .223 is not authorized for deer hunting.
.22 calibers are banned for deer, no matter the velocity
or overall caliber designation.

DaddyDett
 
Andrew Taylor said:
British SA80 and a good review at the bottom of the page. I have a SUSAT optical sight and the bayonet, but not the bit in-between.
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the bit in-between did not seem to come off very well in the review, did it? i remember when they did the 'upgrade' and the bean counters were really pleased with themselves for saving our tax money.

they could then spend it on important stuff like sending poor MP's (members of parliament, not military police) to nice expense paid 'fact finding missions' to the bahamas (or two jaguars for the deputy prime minister's use, don't want to waste monies on lesser purchases like body armour for the troops).

too bad they never bothered to ask the people who had to use the li'l darlin's.

of course when the squaddy's hit the sand, they found out just how good a boat anchor it was.

funny that the only positive things in the review were the accuracy (if you manage to get one to actually fire) with a 4x scope sight, and the bottle opener on the bayonet. it was cheap tho.....

one more good thing tho, when you see them being carried in parades here with their attached bayonets, it never ceases to amuse. the days of the old british bayonet charge are truely impossible now.

here we have the typical new model army squaddie with her sa80 assault rifle on the way to maneuvers
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here we have her on the way back
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