Would anyone else like to see a broader "salt" line?

Surfingringo

Surfingringo

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What if they made the pm2, the manix 2, and the caly 3.5 in H1 "salt" models? Any takers? I'm on the ocean a lot and I am really liking my H1 steel dragonfly! I'd love a bigger salt knife, but I'm not a big delica and endura fan (I like my choils). I would definitely buy one of the three aforementioned models in H1. I might buy all three. Anyone else?
 
I always have wanted a pm2 in h1. It would be an awesome knife, and who knows I may even get it in full serrated to take full advantage of the H1.
 
I think there are issues with H1 that make it hard to ffg. Whatever, I can live with a high hg, just give me a bigger knife with a finger choil. And yes Sal, if y'all make a higher end salt with titanium liners I will buy that too. I promise!
 
From personal experience, the "lock stop" is the first part to rust to a PM2. I can also tell you that it's made of a different metal than any other part on a PM2 because of how it acts compared to the other parts when acid etched. I'm not sure how how this particular part could be addressed in a "non-rusting" fashion. Both liners also seem to be made of a different metal, FWIW.
 
Just having my coffee and ruminating, and thought..."you know, maybe Sal will actually read this". :-) So on the off chance that happens, I wanted to clarify something. As cool as I think it would be to have a higher end salt knife, that wish is secondary. The truth is, these knives are just about perfect the way they are. Rust proof, low cost, lightweight and tough as nails. Like I said, make a fancy one and I'll buy it, but truth is, I don't need bling. these knives are hard users for me and more often than not are on the ocean or hilt deep in fish belly. I dont need a fancier model, I need a different blade. I will buy both, but I would be MUCH happier to see a salt with a manix 2 or caly 3.5 blade than one with titanium parts and rhinestones on the scales! ;-). Like I said, just in case your listening.
 
Diablo_331 said:
From personal experience, the "lock stop" is the first part to rust to a PM2. I can also tell you that it's made of a different metal than any other part on a PM2 because of how it acts compared to the other parts when acid etched. I'm not sure how how this particular part could be addressed in a "non-rusting" fashion. Both liners also seem to be made of a different metal, FWIW.
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I have also noticed (flecks of) rust on the lock stop of a PM2 and Yojimbo II. I pull out the Never-Dull.
These folders are in sweat soaked clothes several days a week... and the insides sometimes get linty. I'm sure that's amplified the process.
 
Oh and IF it were possible, I think the Manix II Lightweight would be a great chassis.
I'd be happy with whatever grind given.
Yellow translucent FRCP? Haha I dunno..
 
H1 is a Japanese steel and won't find it's easy into American made models. That said, there are enough Salt models for me. H1 just doesn't hold a very good edge which makes it a specialized item. Yeah I have a salt in my pocket at all times that is used as s money clip so I have it because I end up on the ocean a lot as well. It makes a good fishing and water knife. But the model doesn't matter all that much to me as there are enough different ones to meet most needs while on the water. Maybe if I actually lived and worked on the water I would have a different opinion but the fact it dulls so quick is a bit of a let down. Though to be fair the serrated models are supposed to hold an edge a lot better and I haven't tried it.
 
Surfingringo said:
Just having my coffee and ruminating, and thought..."you know, maybe Sal will actually read this". :-) So on the off chance that happens, I wanted to clarify something. As cool as I think it would be to have a higher end salt knife, that wish is secondary. The truth is, these knives are just about perfect the way they are. Rust proof, low cost, lightweight and tough as nails. Like I said, make a fancy one and I'll buy it, but truth is, I don't need bling. these knives are hard users for me and more often than not are on the ocean or hilt deep in fish belly. I dont need a fancier model, I need a different blade. I will buy both, but I would be MUCH happier to see a salt with a manix 2 or caly 3.5 blade than one with titanium parts and rhinestones on the scales! ;-). Like I said, just in case your listening.
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I'm pretty sure he's already read it. Many times before :). It probably has to do with demand. All the knives you mentioned are American knives, while H1 is Japanese. Is the demand high enough for it be worth it to either move the production of American made knives to Japan (probably not), or either start producing H1 in the US or import H1 from Japan? I'm not sure. Also, all the current H1 folders are linerless lockbacks (E3/D3 style), meaning that the only metal parts are the blade, the backspring, the hardware and the clip. The clip is titanium, so that one doesn't rust at all. Not sure about the material in the hardware and backspring, but thy are easily replacable anyway if they rust. With a Para2, you have a lot more metal to make rust proof, because of the liner construction, which probably would make things more complicated. The lightweight Manix2 is linerless, maybe that would be easier, but I don't know.
 
Make a dragonfly 2 XL and release it simultaneously in standard vg10 version and "salt" version. There would be no "demand" issue with either of these knives. I would buy both as would many, many others. Omg I'm a genius! Hehe. I even have the name...the "silencer".

It would shut me up! ;-).
 
I noticed this on a PM2 that I wore inside my waistband in a swimming pool for 3-4 hours. It was an experiment to see just how corrosion resistant CMP-S30V actually was and I was pleasantly surprised to see the "lock bar stop", or whatever you want to call it, rust without any problems with the rest fo the knife.
 
philllll said:
Oh man a dragonfly XL would be SWEET!
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Yeah. I DARE any of the naysayers to claim there would be no demand for a larger dragonfly! Come on then...nobody?

heh

Ok, now that we've got all the details worked out, lets get these knives into production! Sal feel free to pm me to discuss my licensing fees for this brilliant idea! Lol. ;-).
 
Surfingringo said:
Yeah. I DARE any of the naysayers to claim there would be no demand for a larger dragonfly! Come on then...nobody?

heh

Ok, now that we've got all the details worked out, lets get these knives into production! Sal feel free to pm me to discuss my licensing fees for this brilliant idea! Lol. ;-).
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I don't think anyone is saying there would be no demand for it. The question is if the demand surpasses the cost.
 
I hear what you are saying, but honestly, I think that's a question we both know the answer to. Creating a larger model of an already existing (and very popular knife) made in the same factory and from the same steel as the smaller version? Pretty sure there's a buck or two to be made on that plan. The bigger question is whether the company (and the Japanese division in particular) is already working at capacity creating other models that have PROVEN to be profitable. Maybe they are...I dunno. What I do know is that it seems like over the years Spyderco has been pretty liberal about both discontinuing old models and creating new ones.

Bah, what do I know...I'm starting to sound like an idiot, reviewing spydercos manufacturing and profitability. I know nothing! I'm just trying to make a logical argument for a scenario where I can get a knife that I want! Thats the truth. Hehe. Probably not the first time that's happened in these forums. Might be the first time anybody has ADMITTED it though!
;-).

Carry on spyderco. You make a wonderful product and I will continue to buy what you create, but at least you know what I want now.
 
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