Would anyone else like to see a broader "salt" line?

What more or less katefat said ~~ will have to talk to Sal about putting out an H1-PM2 "as soon as possible".!**
I go back to Florida about twice a year and fish for a week or so with my Sons down there and it would be nice to not have to throw the Knife before I left for a change.*
 
I'm happy with everything about the salt line except for the back lock. If they had the same line only with a more one-handed close friendly lock I would own several of them again. Of course I wouldn't complain about a sprint run military with yellow G10 and H1... :-)
 
A salty PM2 would sell like hotcakes. Hotcakes, I say!

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Let's get another fixed blade h1 back in production, I was actually forced to look at Japanese makers to try to find one to use as a fixed blade water knife...found one, was nervous about shipping, so turned to a full Ti knife (beta Ti) I really think a huge demand is being missed regarding small/med fixed blades for the water/nautical market...
 
spketch said:
I'm happy with everything about the salt line except for the back lock. If they had the same line only with a more one-handed close friendly lock I would own several of them again. Of course I wouldn't complain about a sprint run military with yellow G10 and H1... :-)
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God, I wish I was in the same room as you right now, so I could show you how to close a Spyderco lockback one handed. It is ridiculously simple.
 
Surfingringo said:
Make a dragonfly 2 XL and release it simultaneously in standard vg10 version and "salt" version. There would be no "demand" issue with either of these knives. I would buy both as would many, many others. Omg I'm a genius! Hehe. I even have the name...the "silencer".

It would shut me up! ;-).
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A Dragonfly 2 XL kinda sounds like a Salt 1 :-). They could do a Dragonfly XL, but the thing about making a completely new style FRN handle is that then you need to make a completely new casting mold, which costs. A simpler way is to use an already existing handle for a new model and all H1 folders so far have been based on linerless FRN lockback models made in Japan. Models that fill that criteria and shouldn't be too hard to convert into H1 are for an example the Spyderco Goddard and Native III. The D'Allara is also linerless Japanese, but has a BB lock. That one would also make for a cool H1 option if possible though.
 
Dr Heelhook said:
A Dragonfly 2 XL kinda sounds like a Salt 1 :-). They could do a Dragonfly XL, but the thing about making a completely new style FRN handle is that then you need to make a completely new casting mold, which costs. A simpler way is to use an already existing handle for a new model and all H1 folders so far have been based on linerless FRN lockback models made in Japan. Models that fill that criteria and shouldn't be too hard to convert into H1 are for an example the Spyderco Goddard and Native III. The D'Allara is also linerless Japanese, but has a BB lock. That one would also make for a cool H1 option if possible though.
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Completely disagree with you about a big dragonfly being similar to a delica, but whatever. Good call on the native though. That one would make a good addition to the line. I hope if they ever make that they will choose not to blunt the tip like they did with the salt 1 and pacific salt...come on, I promise not to poke myself.
 
Silly Rabbit said:
Let's get another fixed blade h1 back in production, I was actually forced to look at Japanese makers to try to find one to use as a fixed blade water knife...found one, was nervous about shipping, so turned to a full Ti knife (beta Ti) I really think a huge demand is being missed regarding small/med fixed blades for the water/nautical market...
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Sal said recently that the H1 Enuff is "close"...
 
Surfingringo said:
Completely disagree with you about a big dragonfly being similar to a delica, but whatever. Good call on the native though. That one would make a good addition to the line. I hope if they ever make that they will choose not to blunt the tip like they did with the salt 1 and pacific salt...come on, I promise not to poke myself.
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Yeah ok, it's not as pointy and doesn't have a choil.
 
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Tip, spine, blade shape, grind, choil, jimping, handle, clip, and ergos. Besides that they're pretty much the same. ;-).

And yes, I am being overly picky. I could get by just fine with a salt 1 or a pacific salt. But I would rather have a larger dragonfly or (as you mentioned) a native! Actually I am still amazed at how much I am able to do with just the normal dragonfly! What an incredible knife! Love it! Quick cleaned a couple barracuda yesterday right on the kayak! No problem!
 
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Dr Heelhook said:
God, I wish I was in the same room as you right now, so I could show you how to close a Spyderco lockback one handed. It is ridiculously simple.
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I know it isn't really hard to close a lockback one-handed, but other lock styles are quicker and safer for me to close one handed. With a lockback, there is a brief moment in unlocking where your fingers are in the path of the closing blade while the lock is disengaged and you are applying pressure to the spine. Close it too fast or slip and you get cut.
It also requires an extra awkward step of breaking the lock, then repositioning your hand to close it. Please let me know if there is a way to avoid this and still close them as quickly as a liner lock. If so I've got 4 or 5 spydercos to add to my want list! :-)

Surferringo, a dragonfly xl salt would be on that list as well!

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Thanks for the video Doc, I'll give that a try. Now to find a super blue caly. :-)
 
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spketch said:
I know it isn't really hard to close a lockback one-handed, but other lock styles are quicker and safer for me to close one handed. With a lockback, there is a brief moment in unlocking where your fingers are in the path of the closing blade while the lock is disengaged and you are applying pressure to the spine. Close it too fast or slip and you get cut.
It also requires an extra awkward step of breaking the lock, then repositioning your hand to close it. Please let me know if there is a way to avoid this and still close them as quickly as a liner lock. If so I've got 4 or 5 spydercos to add to my want list! :-)

Surferringo, a dragonfly xl salt would be on that list as well!
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The way I close it is just as safe as closing a liner lock and I assume we don't close it the same way, since you are talking about putting pressure on the spine, which I don't do at all. I'm guessing you unlock the blade with your thumb, then use your index finger to put pressure on the spine, which I also find awkward.

Spyderco lockbacks usually have a pretty generous blade kick. What I do is I keep my index finger on the handle as close to the blade as possible, then unlock the blade and tilt the knife forwards so that I catch the blade with the blade kick on my index finger, then close the knife with my thumb in the hole.

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Matriarch 2 with H1!

Matriarch is my SD EDC and I dont want to have rust on it from my sweat or rain.
If H1 edge retention is a bit less its fine with me. SD doesn't happen so often that a knife would get dull.
 
Yeah Jens, it could happen, and i can see how just about ANY spyderco in h1 would be cool, but don't hold your breath on that one. I think H1 is great stuff, but there are definitely some sacrifices when using the steel. Edge retention on my dragonfly is actually quite poor. If I want to keep it shaving sharp, I have to sharpen (20-30 sec on fine/ef dmt) daily. But here's the thing..,i don't care. I don't care because this is a saltwater knife used on a boat everyday. I knew there would be an issue with this and I am completely ok with the trade off since I get a knife that is completely impervious to rust. For folks who want a real salt knife, corrosion resistance is at the absolute top of the list. H1 delivers that and because of that, people who use them are relatively forgiving of its shortcomings I think.

I would imagine spyderco would be reticent to use h1 in knives outside of the "salt" line. They would probably get a lot more complaints about the steel from edc guys who just kind of wanted something rust proof as a bonus.

Who knows, I'm just guessing here, but I'm betting a SD knife is not high on their list of prospective h1 knives...I've been wrong many times before though. :-).

P.S. The se version of their h1 is actually supposed to hold its edge with the best of them, but I'm sticking to my guns. Don't hold your breath. ;-).
 
Dr Heelhook said:
The way I close it is just as safe as closing a liner lock and I assume we don't close it the same way, since you are talking about putting pressure on the spine, which I don't do at all. I'm guessing you unlock the blade with your thumb, then use your index finger to put pressure on the spine, which I also find awkward.

Spyderco lockbacks usually have a pretty generous blade kick. What I do is I keep my index finger on the handle as close to the blade as possible, then unlock the blade and tilt the knife forwards so that I catch the blade with the blade kick on my index finger, then close the knife with my thumb in the hole.

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Jip. That was one of the first things I learned years ago and the funny thing is...it has been on their website just as long:

"To close a folding knife that includes a front lock, simply turn the open knife in your hand so that your fingers are on the open side of the handle and your thumb rests on the lock release. Making sure that your index finger is located as high as possible on the handle, release the lock by pressing with your thumb, a gentle flick of the wrist may be necessary. The kick (the unsharpened portion at the base of the blade) will fall onto your index finger protecting your hand from the cutting edge. Rotate the knife so that it is sitting at the base of your fingers with your fingertips on the clip side of the handle (the opening position). Place your thumb pad in the hole or on top of the blade spine and glide the blade safely to the closed position (see diagram). Slightly different closing procedures are used with other locking mechanisms. All closing mechanisms require the utmost caution and care."

http://www.spyderco.com/edge-u-cation/index.php?item=7

Back on topic. I would love to see other knives in H-1, but I dont know if the market is geared for it. I mean, look how many people want super high wear resistant steels in their modern knives and people concerned with H-1 not holding an edge. It is late at night and I might be talking bollocks. :moon:
 
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Jens Schuetz said:
Matriarch 2 with H1!

Matriarch is my SD EDC and I dont want to have rust on it from my sweat or rain.
If H1 edge retention is a bit less its fine with me. SD doesn't happen so often that a knife would get dull.
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An H1 Matriarch 1 might be more likely possibility, since the Matriarch 1 is linerless bolt clip style like the other H1 folders. If you're interested in that, but don't want to wait, you might also want to try and get a hold of an H1 Spyderco Spyderhawk:

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