Wouldn't this take the fun out of sharpening ?

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Letoff

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Just saw this vid searching for info on the Kazak system. I don't understand the language but I got eyes. Looks like he's created a sharpener that uses some sort of sanding disk or stone disk spinning on what I would call the stone holder.
Let's just say that this was a new toy presented to the market, would you consider it ? Seems like it would take the fun out of sharpening in my don't count for sh*^ opinion.

 
I suggest that if you think it will take the fun out of sharpening, that you not buy one when, or if it becomes available. I don't really consider sharpening fun. I Sharpen because I like having a sharp knife. I might go as far as saying having a sharp knife is fun. I didn't watch the video. I seldom watch videos that are posted. But I'm not in the market for some hybrid between a guided and a powered sharpening system. I think that would be a good way to mess up the edge of my knife. So I'll not be buying one either.

O.B.
 
I find it an interesting concept but not with sandpaper or spinning that slowly. There is a vast difference in how stones polish steel between manual and powered stones, powered polishes far better for the same grit.
 
I saw this a while back but as far as I know, it's only R&D from Kazak. I don't think they plan on bringing it to market.

That said, I personally do like to experiment with anything and everything when it comes to sharpening and I love to modify and upgrade systems so I'd consider getting one of these just to see if it has a place in the world of sharpening.

It could be handy for very accurate and quick reprofiling of a knife, but I probably won't use it for final sharpening and finishing. Diamond plated wheels would be better though, then you could lubricate and wash them too if you prefer.
 
Some people don't have the skill or want to put in the effort to learn how to freehand sharpen.
I didn't watch the video, but I imagine in the time it would take to set up the rig, I'd already have a knife sharpened. Or at least most of the way there, if it needs a new bevel.
 
I watched the video and found it interesting. For one thing, by tilting the rotating wheel and moving it closer to or farther from the vertical axis, you can change the sharpening angle without resetting other stuff. This might be useful going around a belly, for example.

I also watched the video where the same guy sharpens a billhook, but I was very disappointed that he did not sharpen the recurve.
 
Hahahahahaha . love it !

RE Free Hand !
Some people want the best edge they can afford ..
I would love to see Free Hand / put against the various other methods out there ( Guided or Machine )
+ If you sharpen for a Living , how much time do you invest in a edge ?

Anyone want to go to the trouble of doing a repeatable / comparable / edge retention test that others could replicate affordably ?
In other words put your prejudice where you sharpening skills are .

I had a wicked idea !
Folks cough up say $5 , group buy a knife ..
Send the knife to those who want to prove their sharpening skills
And whom ever does the best job ( best edge retention ) , gets the knife .. ( Hu? hu? - Is that a great idea ? )
Could be forum run as a annual sharpening contest ? ( Add some spice to our lives )
 
old4570 said:
Hahahahahaha . love it !

RE Free Hand !
Some people want the best edge they can afford ..
I would love to see Free Hand / put against the various other methods out there ( Guided or Machine )
+ If you sharpen for a Living , how much time do you invest in a edge ?

Anyone want to go to the trouble of doing a repeatable / comparable / edge retention test that others could replicate affordably ?
In other words put your prejudice where you sharpening skills are .

I had a wicked idea !
Folks cough up say $5 , group buy a knife ..
Send the knife to those who want to prove their sharpening skills
And whom ever does the best job ( best edge retention ) , gets the knife .. ( Hu? hu? - Is that a great idea ? )
Could be forum run as a annual sharpening contest ? ( Add some spice to our lives )
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I'm in!

Back on topic.I don't know that I'd get one but I don't sharpen for fun. It can be relaxing but I never said it was so much fun sharpening that knife
 
I've been free hand sharpening for about 65 years or more. I find it relaxing and can put a razor edge on most any blade.
 
I enjoy free hand sharpening. My knives are sharp. I have no need to prove anything to anyone.

My Dad used to sharpen new exacto knife blades. He made blades scary sharp by hand. I wouldn’t let him sharpen my knives.
 
Not talking BESS testing ... Cos sharp is only half the battle ( 50% ) The other half is - Stays Sharp ( 50% )
Anyone should be able to make a knife shaving sharp ..
The Trick Pony is - How long it stays sharp ! ( That's the trick )
Cos if it's only sharp .. Slap on a 8 degree bevel , polish the hell out of it .. And BESS it ..

Didn't some knife shows have a SHARP contest ? I seem to remember it was a thing a while back ..
Maybe when BESS was the in thing ?
 
old4570 said:
test that others could replicate affordably ?
In other words put your prejudice where you sharpening skills are .
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Those two elements are not about my individual skill.
Affordable is a personal definition and having somebody else replicate it is about their skill.
I've been testing out a diamond combo stone (400/1200) that cost less than $15 and a bare strop that works well. That is far less than a rig.

Staying sharp is about usage too, but I agree that matching the edge to the usage is part of the skill - something that rigs do nothing to aid the sharpener.
 
Ourorboros said:
Those two elements are not about my individual skill.
Affordable is a personal definition and having somebody else replicate it is about their skill.
I've been testing out a diamond combo stone (400/1200) that cost less than $15 and a bare strop that works well. That is far less than a rig.

Staying sharp is about usage too, but I agree that matching the edge to the usage is part of the skill - something that rigs do nothing to aid the sharpener.
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That's not my experience ...
I have free handed ,, 30+ Years
A) Wetstone
B) Oilstone
C) Diamond sharpeners / flat plate
D) Ceramic Rods
And they all make sharp ...

Then I got into Guided Sharpening ..
A) Sharp with less effort
B) More accurate
C) More precise
D) Stays sharp longer
E) Can deal with tougher steels

Then I got me a Wet Stone Grinder ( knife sharpener )
And then I discovered how FUBAR factory edges were .. ( The wet stone grinder really shows up FUBAR )
And then I tried different grinding wheels and things got interesting ( Stays Sharp Longer ) .

Some people think that sharp is the end of the journey !
Other people think it's the start of the journey !
And personally , I am no where near the end of the journey .
I wont be happy till I can compete with the best edges in the world ( stays sharp ) . And to that end , no method , no style , no machine , no medium ... Is to be ignored or dismissed out of hand !
 
I don't see how it's any different from any other guided system, as far as fun factor goes. It's the same thing but faster.

In any case, the skill in sharpening isn't actually the sharpening, i.e., apexing the edge. The skill -- where you go from sharp to super sharp -- is in the honing.
 
old4570 said:
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That's not my experience ...
I have free handed ,, 30+ Years
A) Wetstone
B) Oilstone
C) Diamond sharpeners / flat plate
D) Ceramic Rods
And they all make sharp ...

Then I got into Guided Sharpening ..
A) Sharp with less effort
B) More accurate
C) More precise
D) Stays sharp longer
E) Can deal with tougher steels

Then I got me a Wet Stone Grinder ( knife sharpener )
And then I discovered how FUBAR factory edges were .. ( The wet stone grinder really shows up FUBAR )
And then I tried different grinding wheels and things got interesting ( Stays Sharp Longer ) .

Some people think that sharp is the end of the journey !
Other people think it's the start of the journey !
And personally , I am no where near the end of the journey .
I wont be happy till I can compete with the best edges in the world ( stays sharp ) . And to that end , no method , no style , no machine , no medium ... Is to be ignored or dismissed out of hand !
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How does your guided sharpener adjust for a belly in the blade, like on a skinning knife?
I'm just an old guy that has never used them things and am curious.
 
garry3 said:
How does your guided sharpener adjust for a belly in the blade, like on a skinning knife?
I'm just an old guy that has never used them things and am curious.
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The short answer is that it doesn't. It's called a fixed angle system for a reason. ;)

The long answer is that you might want to adjust the angle of the knife in the clamp so you get less angle change overall. Basically you draw a line from the point to the heel and you make that line parallel to the front of the clamp.
 
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