wow, its amazing how crap companies get away with stuff like this

Broos said:
That's good, but the irony is thick with even one copycat design.
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That is a personal issue between LCT and the Owner of the other Company, nothing more....

No, I don't agree with it, but you know how things can be... Two big ego's clashing and all....
 
ive noticed theres a big similarity between the new sogzilla and the older spyderco/byrd designs
 
Ankerson said:
Yeah they have one currently as of now....... All the rest are gone, discontinued....
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Off topic, but it's not relavent the copies are discontinued unless CS removed them after realizing what they had done and issued an apology for the infractions or, better yet, paid to use the designs in the first place.
 
flipe8 said:
Off topic, but it's not relavent the copies are discontinued unless CS removed them after realizing what they had done and issued an apology for the infractions or, better yet, paid to use the designs in the first place.
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They changed their whole model line....

And there was only a few that were in question.....
 
pyro777 said:
ive noticed theres a big similarity between the new sogzilla and the older spyderco/byrd designs
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Yeah I did aswell, and what kinda pisses me off about that is they named it the "Sogzilla" even though its just a copy or a spyderco/byrd.
 
Cold steel doesn't really rip off on any designs. Either their inherited by the designer rightfully into production like the Demko Lawman, or they have features from other knives, but with a different design. Like Benchmade Axis Lock and the older Recon and AK-47 knives, similar lock, different knives. Or the "stolen" wave feature on most of their knives on the Espada and Rajah.
 
A really simple set of issues here is overlooked when talk about "copying" comes up -- knives, like other tools and mechanisms, are generally considered under the realm of patents and not copyrights. For this reason, knife designs become public domain much more quickly than movies or songs.
Besides, to really address this, we should also be discussing things like the original bowie design (whatever that may be) being co-opted by all sorts of makers and manufacturers, or liner locks to be a bit more contemporary, or even the American tanto blade (to be a bit more on point -- excuse the pun -- relating to Cold Steel).
While we love our knives & tend to think of the artistic merits of their designs, we also love them for their utility, & it's exactly that utility that brings them into the realm of patents, not copyrights.
There might be some exceptions, but they would not be the general rule. And these issues, of course, were originally addressed in the U.S. Constitution.
 
Someone copying designs from CS? I call it karma.
No intention to troll, but I do remember bad things from them too.
 
CJ65, Singularity, 3guardsmen: I saw an interesting knife for cheap that I wanted to compare to my CS knife, so I bought it. You assume that it was an unauthorized copy. Since I have no proof of that, I won't be as presumptuous as you 3 and say it was or wasn't. I'm sure none of you have ever bought anything of a nearly identical design without comparing patents and copyrights, right?

In short: unless you have proof, you don't no squat, so kiss off.
 
singularity35 said:
I think that a lot of popular knife designs are popular because they work. A company with integrity that does it's own research and design that comes out with a quality product that just happens to have similarities with other popular knives of a different brand are one thing that knife nuts understand.

An unscrupulous company just looking to make a quick buck by knocking off a popular design from a respected company, by turning out a product with poor materials and poor quality all around is another thing entirely.
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So is CS the company with integrity or are they the unscrupulous ones? Im confused...
 
Picking up a cheap knockoff to compare (to the original you already own) isn't the same as shopping for a knockoff to avoid paying for the real thing.
 
viva la said:
So is CS the company with integrity or are they the unscrupulous ones? Im confused...
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Well, they are a company that produces some hard use knives. You my not like their marketing but they do well.

What I am calling unscrupulous are companies who produce fakes.
 
viva la said:
So is CS the company with integrity or are they the unscrupulous ones? Im confused...
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Well, they are a company that produces some hard use knives. You my not like their marketing but they do well.

What I am calling unscrupulous are companies who produce fakes.

uncouth said:
Picking up a cheap knockoff to compare (to the original you already own) isn't the same as shopping for a knockoff to avoid paying for the real thing.
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Buying a cheap knockoff is supporting the "knock offing" company and thereby hurts the company who did the R&D.
 
bubblewhip said:
Cold steel doesn't really rip off on any designs. Either their inherited by the designer rightfully into production like the Demko Lawman, or they have features from other knives, but with a different design. Like Benchmade Axis Lock and the older Recon and AK-47 knives, similar lock, different knives. Or the "stolen" wave feature on most of their knives on the Espada and Rajah.
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Like the Canadian Belt knife?
 
marcinek said:
Like the Canadian Belt knife?
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A lot of manufacturers are making those and have been for a long time, both factory and customs.. ;)

You need to get your facts straight before spouting off instead of listening to the parrots... Or maybe you are a parrot.... ;)
 
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Ankerson said:
A lot of manufacturers are making those and have been for a long time, both factory and customs.. ;)

You need to get your facts straight before spouting off instead of listening to the parrots... Or maybe you are a parrot.... ;)
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I didn't realize that disagreeing with you was automatically "spouting off" and "parroting". I'll try to keep that in mind. I hope everyone else does too! My apologies.
 
Ankerson said:
A lot of manufacturers are making those and have been for a long time, both factory and customs.. ;)

You need to get your facts straight before spouting off instead of listening to the parrots... Or maybe you are a parrot.... ;)
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I don't know, man, it is a pretty clear knock-off of the #1 Grohmann... Whether or not they're the first to make a cheap knockoff of the Grohmann blade, it does seem to be a pretty clear-cut case of them copying another company's design.

You're right, though, in that a lot of manufacturers have made a copy of that knife...In fact, it seems everyone and his brother has ripped off the Grohmann belt knife...according to their website, "By our last count, our knives have been copied by more than 16 different companies over the years". Yowza :eek:. That still doesn't make it right.
 
so this knife is now a copy of a copy of a copy by now I guess.

poor cold steel how will they recover from this horrible injustice
 
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