wow, its amazing how crap companies get away with stuff like this

[shecky]

Copying is a fact of life.

Copying is a good thing.

And there isn't even any indication that the knife in the OP was an illegal copy.

Why are folks around here so touchy about this issue? There is a very clear procedure one must follow to gain protections for one's intellectual property. Absent those protections, copying is not illegal or even immoral. Accept it. You'll be better off.

 

[marcinek]

Fellow members...please stop parroting! Ankerson has spoken! Get the mods, shut the thread down! The definitive post has been made!

 

[monger4142]

I can see an issue with copying an exact design and trying to directly compete with the copied knife... but i don't think anyone in the market for the cold steel will now jump all over this mtech for having a similar design.

 

[Ankerson]

Fellow members...please stop parroting! Ankerson has spoken! Get the mods, shut the thread down! The definitive post has been made!

When people have a valid point that's fine....

When they are parroting someones Else's invalid points well.......

Also have their facts straight helps..... You know knowing what they are talking about before spouting off.

That's also borderline trolling....

 

[marcinek]

When people have a valid point that's fine....

When they are parroting someones Else's invalid points well.......

Also have their facts straight helps..... You know knowing what they are talking about before spouting off.

That's also borderline trolling....

Now disagreeing with you is trolling?

The Canadian Belt Knife is a "knockoff" of the Grohmann. Regardless of whether it is right or wrong...it is what it is.

I'm gone before you accuse me of eating babies or shooting puppies.

 

[Leftoverdj]

I think that a lot of popular knife designs are popular because they work. A company with integrity that does it's own research and design that comes out with a quality product that just happens to have similarities with other popular knives of a different brand are one thing that knife nuts understand.

An unscrupulous company just looking to make a quick buck by knocking off a popular design from a respected company, by turning out a product with poor materials and poor quality all around is another thing entirely.

Hear, hear!

There are only so many ways to make a knife, and almost all knives incorporate features found in previous designs. I see nothing wrong with using anything in public domain. I'll pass on crappy copies because they are crappy, not because they are copies.

I'm somewhat of a sodbuster fan. Doesn't bother me in the least that there are only minor variations between brands. It's a good solid design and anything who thinks they can build a better sodbuster at a competitive price should have at it.

Wasn't me crying foul when Cold Steel tried their hand at updating the Opinel. That design has long been in public domain and there's room for improvement. If someone wants to build a copy with handle that won't swell and a stouter locking ring, I'm all for it.

Most of this stuff sounds as silly to me as would a claim that only Levi Strauss has a right to make blue jeans.

 

[Ankerson]

Hear, hear!

There are only so many ways to make a knife, and almost all knives incorporate features found in previous designs. I see nothing wrong with using anything in public domain. I'll pass on crappy copies because they are crappy, not because they are copies.

Exactly. :thumbup:

All knives are made on someones else's idea originally as in whoever made the very 1st one something like a million years ago.

Now once that gets into Copyright infringement or Patent Infringement then things are different. That is what Lawyers and the Courts are for.

But listening so someone wine and cry about this or that and getting people to follow them in their winy little agenda is nothing short of pathetic a long with the dog piling that seems to go on.

IMO if they have legal recourse they can take do it, if no then they just need to STFU and get over it as it causes way too many issues on many forums.....

They sound like little girls, not men like they are supposed to be.

 

[marcinek]

But listening so someone wine and cry about this or that and getting people to follow them in their winy little agenda is nothing short of pathetic a long with the dog piling that seems to go on.

IMO if they have legal recourse they can take do it, if no then they just need to STFU and get over it as it causes way too many issues on many forums.....

They sound like little girls, not men like they are supposed to be.

You're right! I hate when people do that!

Like a well known Highly regarded Company that copied Cold Steels Trail Master, Recon Scout and SRK and a few others and still sells them today... And they get recommended all the time.

 

[Ankerson]

You're right! I hate when people do that!

I pointed out a fact, but didn't target anyone or company, I made a general statement in response to another post as in CS also has a bunch of their stuff that's been copied.

And didn't keep making a point out of it.....

 

[marcinek]

I pointed out a fact, but didn't target anyone or company, I made a general statement in response to another post as in CS also has a bunch of their stuff that's been copied.

And didn't keep making a point out of it.....

No, you certainly didn't keep making a point out of it.

My other point was that people point their fingers at CS, but tend to forget or overlook they have been one of the most copied manufacturers around.

 

[Ankerson]

No, you certainly didn't keep making a point out of it.

That is a fact....

Buck, Spyderco, Benchmade and CS are the most copied ones around.

There are a ton of cheap knockoff's out there and that goes a long with the topic of the thread....

Not CS bashing that seems to go on in just about every thread that involves CS.

There are always a few that seem to bring down a thread to the gutter....

 

[crom]

Hasn't the Canadian belt knife been around a long time, similar to the roach belly style knife? It's like the sodbuster pattern, Case didn't invent it but it's synonymous with the Case brand. Is case being accused of ripping off some European (guessing here, have ni idea where the soddie pattern originated)knife designer over that pattern?

 

[Ankerson]

Now disagreeing with you is trolling?

The Canadian Belt Knife is a "knockoff" of the Grohmann. Regardless of whether it is right or wrong...it is what it is.

I'm gone before you accuse me of eating babies or shooting puppies.

What about this one?


Didn't see you targeting them or the other 15 Manufacturers....

Oh that's right, they aren't CS and bashing CS is your agenda.

Like I said.... TROLL....

 

[Ankerson]

Hasn't the Canadian belt knife been around a long time, similar to the roach belly style knife? It's like the sodbuster pattern, Case didn't invent it but it's synonymous with the Case brand. Is case being accused of ripping off some European (guessing here, have ni idea where the soddie pattern originated)knife designer over that pattern?

Yeah it's been out over 60 years....

 

[marcinek]

Just pointing out that saying "Cold steel doesn't really rip off on any designs." is incorrect.

Call it "spouting off", "invalid", "pathetic", "an agenda", "dog piling", "bashing", "whiny" (there is an "h" in "whiny" by the way), "like little girls", "parroting", or any of the other things you did. But facts are facts. Sorry.

But I'll drop it...like you say, points that you disagree with should not be discussed because they "...cause way too many issues on many forums"

My bad.

 

[Dorito Monk]

That's real classy, Ankerson. You start criticizing people who disagree with you for 'trolling', then start calling them unmanly, 'whiny little girls'. It's just like high school again...

This thread seems to have gone straight to the gutter. :barf:

Also: The Grohmann model 1 has been out for over 60 years? Who taught you math? The Grohmann #1 has been in production since 1957. 2010 - 1957 = ? Dig out a calculator and give it a whirl.

 

[Ankerson]

That's real classy, Ankerson. You start criticizing people who disagree with you for 'trolling', then start calling them unmanly, 'whiny little girls'. It's just like high school again...

This thread seems to have gone straight to the gutter. :barf:

Just pointing out a few things that get on my nerves here and there.

If someone is right I will never say a word usually, and if I do I will agree with them. :thumbup:

When they target something just because, well..............

There is a lot of politics on the forums, a lot of it I don't agree with.....

Just saying.

Also: The Grohmann model 1 has been out for over 60 years? Who taught you math? The Grohmann #1 has been in production since 1957. 2010 - 1957 = ? Dig out a calculator and give it a whirl.

That basic design has been out much longer than that...

 

[sqoon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapio_Wirkkala

Sisu, anyone?

 

[Ankerson]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapio_Wirkkala

Sisu, anyone?

That basic design has been around forever in one shape or another.

Knife smith Kalle Keränen from Hyrynsalmi in the northern Finland province of Kainuu studied knife making in Fiskars 1867-1868. His teacher was English smith Thomas Woodward from Sheffield. The "Kainuun Puukko" company he founded produced traditional-styled puukko, but with the latest metal-working techniques, and these superior puukko became known as "tommi puukko" - from Thomas Woodward's name.

 

[Dorito Monk]

If someone is right I will never say a word usually, and if I do I will agree with them

That basic design has been out much longer than that...

If you mean you'll never say a word as long as someone agrees with you, then yeah, that seems like a fair assessment . It certainly doesn't seem that you particularly care whether they're in the right or not.

Really? This knife was around before 1957?

Would you care to back that up? From what I've read, this knife was originally designed by Deane H. Russell and produced by Grohmann Knives Ltd. You're saying someone else made this knife prior to Misters Russell and Grohmann?