Wrong Doers Among Us....

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INFI MAN!!!

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Dear Hogs and Piglets,

It has come to INFI MAN!!!'s attention lately that there has been some price, oh shall we say, gouging going on. This is not what the code of Hogdom is about. The code of hogdom has many guidelines. None of them being written down, but spoken silenty through the actions of busse owners alike. Those actions are not limited to, but include giving others the same price that you got it at. Maybe a little more to cover shipping or to match the market price, but to steal from the trough to resell to the hungry piglets; that is not "NO REGRETS", but "NO HOG BLOOD IN YOU". So, think about the time when you wanted a knife and a hog or piglet came by and offered you a SHBM for $400 or a NIP for $30.

And for those stocking the company store cart so others may be denied their dream or addiction, mature with wisdom. Consider the fact that you may be denying a person a smile on their associates, husband's, co-worker's, whoever's face. You are robbing them of the joy that infi brings by playing a joke that only you are laughing at. That is not what Hogdom is about, nor is found humourous by those in or achieving for Hogdom.

Hogs, Hogettes, Piglets and lurkers, consider your first piece and how that person may have given it to you or given you a deal or even just asked for shipping on top of the going price. Don't try to prosper. Take it from INFI MAN!!!, that one day down the road, when you are down on your luck, a brother will be there to pick you up, but he may not be a brother if you gouge him in the beginning.

INFI MAN!!!
 
It is also disheartening watching others shill for the gougers.

Meaning - someone puts a knife up for over $80 what was the list price at the store two weeks ago. Plus shipping! Plus 3% for PayPal! And then an old hand comes by (who already has a few of said knives) and comments on what a great price that is...

Disheartening...but like the wise Infiman says...karma may come back to kick you in the butt.
 
Indeed Good Infizen (Infi+Citizen). A hog is like an elephant if you will. Never forget who deals well and who likes to fill the pockets with gold. Those who jingle with always be known by their sound and avoided like the wrath of......


INFI MAN!!!
 
Since we are operating in a free market economy, I suggest that the two of you not purchase from those whose prices you deem to high and allow the rest of us to make up our own minds as to what we are willing to pay.
 
cleaner145 said:
I suggest that the two of you not purchase from those whose prices you deem to high :jerkit:
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That's exactly what I'm doing, thanks for the sound advice Cleaner.

Why not take your arguement to its logical conclusion, and if you have no plans to buy the knife, don't make a comment on it at all. Since "bad" comments are not allowed, you never see anyone criticized for putting a knife way over it's going price, which is good, because gold members are the guys who keep the lights on with their dues. But you always see knives go up with borderline or even astronomical mark-ups get praised for having "good prices." Because (I assume) these "shillers" have the same knife and want see what they can trump the price up too.

Remember, this is a discussion forum. Talk to me and tell me why its ok for people with obvious conflicts in interest make unsolisited comments on knifes for sale? Cause I took your last post as a STFU, which is never a good defence...
 
cleaner145 said:
Since we are operating in a free market economy, I suggest that the two of you not purchase from those whose prices you deem to high and allow the rest of us to make up our own minds as to what we are willing to pay.
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Cleaner - You cleaned up your post, now my response looks like I'm the hardass...?

And thanks for taking out the "jerk it" guy...I hate that thing...
 
I don't know that there's that much of this kind of behavior you talk about going on. I've bought a dozen or so pieces of INFI in this last 3 months at what I consider to be very fair prices. From my standpoint, guys on this forum have been pretty generous to me in sales and trades and I appreciate that.

However, I avoid the higher prices too, but they tend to be for collector's pieces which I think legitimately have more value but which I have little interest in.

It'll be interesting to see where this discussion goes.

(Edited to remove reference to the jerk-it symbol in another post.)
 
Smith,

I agree. I see a lot of good prices posted. And those pieces are usually sucked up quickly, and rightly so. A vast majority are at least what I would call "market prices."

What I am discussing are high mark-ups, which are then commented on by people with no intention of buying, but simply to help their friend (or whatever the relation is, it could be they just have several copies of that knife, and are hoping for the value to appreciate more quickly then it would). You never see an experianced Hog pick these pieces up. It's always a relitively new piglet, who is then reassured after the sale is through what a "great grab" he got.
 
It's never cool to see the new guys paying more than they should be. Granted, if an experienced piglet or hog wants to pay more for it, that's fine. But when we proclaim the truth in the manner that we do about the quality of these knives, shouldn't we also try to inform the new guys that certain knives are over priced?

I'm not talking about a little profit, I'm talking about a knife going off the company site and suddenly it appears for $100 or more above MSRP.
 
What I am discussing are high mark-ups, which are then commented on by people with no intention of buying, but simply to help their friend
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Yeah, I see it too, but I'm not as bothered as you and I just ignore it and blow it off. A lot of these guys are friends, too, so just to be expected in my view.
 
As a newbie and a buyer, I have an idea that may be a little far-fetched. and anti capitalist. which Id hate to be.

But if some of the old timers could get together and put together a ball park fair market value list of all popular non costum models. Given the most recent data available. Well that would be helpful to us newbies. But to me, it seems like, somtimes you gotta offer a lot to get people to part with their beloved possessions. i guess prices might be a little subjective, anyway, i dont know. maybe its just common sense ?
 
Come on Cleaner.

I see you hanging around down there. Tell us what your thinking. Did my sharp wit and infallable arguements bring you over to myside? Or are you still grumbling under your breath about someone starting a "new" log-in to discuss a problem they see, but are unwilling to attach their own name to their posts.

I would not be surprized to find Infi-man to be a well respected member of our community here at BF.
 
smithsnoh said:
Yeah, I see it too, but I'm not as bothered as you and I just ignore it and blow it off. A lot of these guys are friends, too, so just to be expected in my view.
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There is nothing wrong with posting on a friends thread complimenting on the knife, but when price gouging becomes the norm, that's not cool. I don't believe those new to infi should have to be gouged and not even know it. And they, honestly, don't have enough knowledge to make a decision of "Well, I'll pay the extra $100 of X knife that just sold out 3 days ago".
 
szoetrope said:
As a newbie and a buyer, I have an idea that may be a little far-fetched. and anti capitalist. which Id hate to be.

But if some of the old timers could get together and put together a ball park fair market value list of all popular non costum models. Given the most recent data available. Well that would be helpful to us newbies. But to me, it seems like, somtimes you gotta offer a lot to get people to part with their beloved possessions. i guess prices might be a little subjective, anyway, i dont know. maybe its just common sense ?
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That would be a great idea. I know that others have asked for sellers to keep the sold price in the thread for current market value to reference. As for offering more to get people to part with something, that is in regards to WTB and not selling.
 
Never been a big fan of mock usernames (accounts made solely for the purpose of a set of threads for non serious purposes). Seems like cheating the system to me.



I've sold several busse peices on ebay that have sold at fair prices, lower then I could have sold them. on the whole each peice sold for about 100-200$ less then I could have gotten.

I go to school full time (38 hours) and work about 30 hours a week, wich is the limit of my bodies ability to maintain functionality. there are nights when i dont get to sleep, and days where i only get to eat a single meal because i am not in a place to get food.

Every single penny counts when you look down the road 6 months and wonder if your going to get to keep going to school, or if your going to have to drop out and get a second job to pay rent.


You pay what you are willing to pay, and no one forces you to do it. These knives are not food - you do not need them to survive - you want them. To hold a person who is selling at a high price responsible for the actions of the buyer who initiates the sale at the given price isn't realistic. no one forces anyone to buy these things.

Sure, I'd like to give people my knives at low prices, but I want to continue going to school, and I want to continue paying rent. I have these knives on a tight budget, and I dont like letting it get tighter. If karma comes back around and takes me down for letting someone buy a knife from me at an agreed upon price, so be it.
 
GlassJax said:
Come on Cleaner.

I see you hanging around down there. Tell us what your thinking. Did my sharp wit and infallable arguements bring you over to myside? Or are you still grumbling under your breath about someone starting a "new" log-in to discuss a problem they see, but are unwilling to attach their own name to their posts.

I would not be surprized to find Infi-man to be a well respected member of our community here at BF.
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Now let's keep this civilized here. My log in name or history has no meaning. Focus on the content written, not the person.
 
Now lets get my original qoute right in that ":jerkit: " referred to someone with three posts lecturing about the habits of some long established forum members. And you are right the Gold/Platinum members your so called "gougers" do keep the lights on. They pay for the right to sell here at prices they, not you, deem fit. Whatever that price may be. If you look at any of the forums you will notice that all highly desireable knives go for a high premium not just Busse's. That being the case this seems like more of the whining that has become somewhat prevalent as of late.
 
smithsnoh said:
Yeah, I see it too, but I'm not as bothered as you and I just ignore it and blow it off. A lot of these guys are friends, too, so just to be expected in my view.
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I'm not all that bothered. I've decided to just wait nicely until, sooner or later, I get something strait from the company store.

I'm only here because I can't sleep well, and I've decided to throw my two cents into a conversation which I have thought about, but realize there is nothing to actual do that will fix or help the situation.

Meaning - This entire discussion is academic. Nothing said here will truely change the way things are. Therefore, hopefullly I don't step on too many toes and apologies to any who take anything I've said too personnally.
 
GlassJax said:
That would be easier if you did not edit your posts to the extent which you did.
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Having failed "PC" several times things sometimes come out harsher then intended. I edited so that it would be more academic and less argumentative.
 
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