Wrong Doers Among Us....

[INFI MAN!!!]

Never been a big fan of mock usernames (accounts made solely for the purpose of a set of threads for non serious purposes). Seems like cheating the system to me.

It may seem that way, but in this case, it is for the focus to be on the subject at hand.

I've sold several busse peices on ebay that have sold at fair prices, lower then I could have sold them. on the whole each peice sold for about 100-200$ less then I could have gotten.

But when you sold them, was it immediately after they were no longer to be found and did you mark them up $100+? No that I can tell from your post. But others are.

You pay what you are willing to pay, and no one forces you to do it. These knives are not food - you do not need them to survive - you want them. To hold a person who is selling at a high price responsible for the actions of the buyer who initiates the sale at the given price isn't realistic. no one forces anyone to buy these things.

It isn't so much of selling at a higher price, as much as it is gorging someone. I can understand making a little extra cash, but the recent prices and actions seem over the top lately.

Sure, I'd like to give people my knives at low prices, but I want to continue going to school, and I want to continue paying rent. I have these knives on a tight budget, and I dont like letting it get tighter. If karma comes back around and takes me down for letting someone buy a knife at me at an agreed upon price, so be it.

Again, an agreed upon price is fine, but when you take advantage of someone new to the scene who is unable to locate the price and is unaware of the high mark up, then it becomes a case of Karma coming back on you.

 

[smithsnoh]

But if some of the old timers could get together and put together a ball park fair market value list of all popular non custom models. Given the most recent data available.

Nah, this would be a constant work in progress and wouldn't really mean anything. You gotta just take some time to learn, IMHO. Watch the for sale forums for a while, and maybe email the "old timers" to get advice. Most of these guys can give you some good figures off the top of their heads anytime you ask. Several Hogs and porkrinds and Rats and others were very helpful and forthcoming to me when I had questions about knives, availability and values.

I've also gotten good deals by requesting a knife in the "wanted to buy forum."

Woops, time to hit the hay. Good luck!

 

[GlassJax]

I edited so that it would be more academic and less argumentative.

No problems Cleaner. I often have the same problem, even in real life. I've been told that I need to work on my "tact" numourous times.

Is everyone at least drinking while we're having this discussion. Because it would seem more friendly if everyone had a beer in their hands...

 

[cleaner145]

I would obviously like for the prices of all the knives sold here (not just Busse's) to be at a lower price. I would then be able to buy more. But in a supply and demand based system the price is set by the market. "Reasonable" profit is therefore impossible to define. I just don't think that those who are selling any knife at a premium are "bad guys". If the market does not pay, it will not sell.

 

[GlassJax]

Nah, this would be a constant work in progress and wouldn't really mean anything. You gotta just take some time to learn

Agreed.

Personal knowledge is the key. And asking for an "old guy" mentor is a good idea.

 

[cleaner145]

No problems Cleaner. I often have the same problem, even in real life. I've been told that I need to work on my "tact" numourous times.

Is everyone at least drinking while we're having this discussion. Because it would seem more friendly if everyone had a beer in their hands...

You have me at a disadvantage. You are on PST to my EST. That means I am having to supplement my alcohol with shots of Cuban coffee just to stay at this keyboard. My apologies for any earlier unintended offense.

 

[GlassJax]

I would obviously like for the prices of all the knives sold here (not just Busse's) to be at a lower price. I would then be able to buy more. But in a supply and demand based system the price is set by the market. "Reasonable" profit is therefore impossible to define. I just don't think that those who are selling any knife at a premium are "bad guys". If the market does not pay, it will not sell.

All true. There are many people in the world with more money then sence.

 

[INFI MAN!!!]

I would obviously like for the prices of all the knives sold here (not just Busse's) to be at a lower price. I would then be able to buy more. But in a supply and demand based system the price is set by the market. "Reasonable" profit is therefore impossible to define. I just don't think that those who are selling any knife at a premium are "bad guys". If the market does not pay, it will not sell.

I'm not trying to label anyone as "bad guys". You'll have to excuse my conduct if it seems this way. My concern is that premiums are becoming over kill and those who are on a budget may suffer. My intent is that you consider collecting, selling, trading, etc as enjoyable and not as a market to profit widely.

Beer should be mandatory in here.

 

[GlassJax]

You have me at a disadvantage. You are on PST to my EST.

I just noticed your in FL. Why are you still up?

My wife just came out and pinged me to go to bed. My sleeping problems are at least half her fault. She's 36+ weeks pregnant, takes up most of the bed, and has been in an ornery mood for about the last month. She's not one of those "happy" pregnant types...

 

[GlassJax]

I do need to hit the rack.

Infiman, are you going to pull off the ruber mask, so we can all see who you are? Or will continue to use your new "secret" identity to fight for truth and justice (read "stir up $hit")

 

[INFI MAN!!!]

I do need to hit the rack.

Infiman, are you going to pull off the ruber mask, so we can all see who you are? Or will continue to use your new "secret" identity to fight for truth and justice (read "stir up $hit")

It's not to "stir up $hit". I saw a concern that needed to be addressed. My actions may not be favored, but if I have dealt wrongly, then karma will deal with me accordingly.

 

[cleaner145]

I'm not trying to label anyone as "bad guys". You'll have to excuse my conduct if it seems this way. My concern is that premiums are becoming over kill and those who are on a budget may suffer. My intent is that you consider collecting, selling, trading, etc as enjoyable and not as a market to profit widely.

Beer should be mandatory in here.

Once again I apologise for the characterization and you have a point with the market prices these days, but how do you police this type of a system. I hold a Gold Membership strictly to support this site having never sold a knife here. I enjoy the company of these folks and although I often covet their offerings on the for sale forum if I deem the price too high I simply don't pull the trigger. I guess I am relying on the market to police itself. With supply and demand, Infi is going up faster then a barrel of light sweet crude.

 

[INFI MAN!!!]

Once again I apologise for the characterization and you have a point with the market prices these days, but how do you police this type of a system. I hold a Gold Membership strictly to support this site having never sold a knife here. I enjoy the company of these folks and although I often covet their offerings on the for sale forum if I deem the price too high I simply don't pull the trigger. I guess I am relying on the market to police itself.

I too hope the market will police it, but I did this because I don't want any new guys on a budget or not paying more than would be reasonable in my eyes and I felt that many others had the same feelings.

I can understand a small mark up, but to mark things up $100 the minute the company store sells out is over kill. For any knife in that manner. I just don't want to see busse sellers following the mold. I have always seen the regulars selling knives at fair mark up and suddenly the market went nuts. That's why I had to say something.

As for the masked name, I know it is in poor taste and wreaks of trollism, but I have continued to post in here to show that this is not a trolling, but a concern that needed to be addressed in my opinion.

 

[Josh Muller]

It may seem that way, but in this case, it is for the focus to be on the subject at hand.

I see it as taxing the system and avoiding credibility to an actual account that was started with the purpose of being an active forum member. starting accounts for a one purpose thread, and for that matter any multiple accounts at all , is wasteful, unless you intend on having a dealers account (a paid for bussiness account) and a forum members account (personal).

But when you sold them, was it immediately after they were no longer to be found and did you mark them up $100+? No that I can tell from your post. But others are.

no i didnt. but for my financial situation i wish i had. if someone wants to buy my hogsjletac from me at 650$ - i would have been happy to oblidge their request to purchase it at that price.

It isn't so much of selling at a higher price, as much as it is gorging someone. I can understand making a little extra cash, but the recent prices and actions seem over the top lately.

for the past 4 months i've seen each of the currently unavailable models offered at high mark ups, and at very slight mark ups (enough to pay for shipping from busse, and to the new buyer). if they were all at extremely high mark ups, i would not blame anyone for doing so. you decide what you are willing to pay for a product, and if you buy it at that price and regret it - it is your fault for buying something at a price you were not willing to pay. if you could have gotten it at a lower price but was unaware of it - you are responsible for educating yourself.

Again, an agreed upon price is fine, but when you take advantage of someone new to the scene who is unable to locate the price and is unaware of the high mark up, then it becomes a case of Karma coming back on you.

if you step into a any subject that you are uneducated in - it is your sole responsibility to become educated to a degree at wich you feel confident in your ability to understand what you are doing. i have made knife purchases at 600$ and then saw immediately afterwards that the same model in identical condition was sold for 250$. i made the decision that that knife at 600$ was worth it to me. i made this choice. if i did not feel okay with spending 600$ then i would not have purchased it.

the people who are putting the markups on these things online are not doing so in a cornered-zero-information-available environment. there are ways to become educated on the original msrp, and the current market for these knives. nothing is easy in this world, and i do not assume that people will tell me these things unless i seek them out for myself.

and even for those who are at shows where no such information is available - you choose wether you are willing to pay the price for that knife, in that model, at that time. you are responsible for your actions - even when they are made with ignorace. you are responsible for being informed on what you are buying, and what you are willing to purchase.

 

[szoetrope]

Personally, I couldnt be happier with the Busse forum/bladeforums exchange.

I have been doing this around 2 weeks and have 4 en route and 1 has already arrived. I just wish more guys sold their busse knives more often. I have dealt with some questionable deals on ebay<knives but non infi related> especially as it pertains to disclosure. I get none of that on bladeforums, and from reading the good bad ugly forum, it seems like a rare occurence. I look forward to buying more soon, especially finding the perfect busse knife for me. The more i handle the better it gets, and I feel like im getting warmer. trouble is, I dont think Ill ever have the heart to use a brand new one. blah blah ill stfu

 

[cleaner145]

Personally, I couldnt be happier with the Busse forum/bladeforums exchange.

I have been doing this around 2 weeks and have 4 en route and 1 has already arrived. I just wish more guys sold their busse knives more often. I have dealt with some questionable deals on ebay<knives but non infi related> especially as it pertains to disclosure. I get none of that on bladeforums, and from reading the good bad ugly forum, it seems like a rare occurence. I look forward to buying more soon, especially finding the perfect busse knife for me. The more i handle the better it gets, and I feel like im getting warmer. trouble is, I dont think Ill ever have the heart to use a brand new one. blah blah ill stfu

You make an excellent point though. Here you can research an item pretty thoroughly, and often deal with someone who you have an oppertunity to interact with constantly. A far better situation then epay.

 

[Cobalt]

So, think about the time when you wanted a knife and a hog or piglet came by and offered you a SHBM for $400 .!!!

This brings tears to my eyes. C'mon guys sell me an SHBM for 300-400 please? that's all I ask?

And for those stocking the company store cart so others may be denied their dream or addiction, mature with wisdom. Consider the fact that you may be denying a person a smile on their associates, husband's, co-worker's, whoever's face. You are robbing them of the joy that infi brings by playing a joke that only you are laughing at. That is not what Hogdom is about, nor is found humourous by those in or achieving for Hogdom.!!!

I love the smell of napalm in the morning

Hogs, Hogettes, Piglets and lurkers, consider your first piece and how that person may have given it to you or given you a deal or even just asked for shipping on top of the going price. Don't try to prosper. Take it from INFI MAN!!!, that one day down the road, when you are down on your luck, a brother will be there to pick you up, but he may not be a brother if you gouge him in the beginning.

INFI MAN!!!

Hogettes, you mean women collect Busse knives too? Can I meet one? That just turns me on:thumbup:



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[brianNH]

Never been a big fan of mock usernames (accounts made solely for the purpose of a set of threads for non serious purposes). Seems like cheating the system to me.

If someone makes a valid point, it will hold water on it's own and the origin shouldn't matter.

I go to school full time (38 hours) and work about 30 hours a week, wich is the limit of my bodies ability to maintain functionality. there are nights when i dont get to sleep, and days where i only get to eat a single meal because i am not in a place to get food.

And this relates to the topic at hand how? I appreciate what being a college student is all about but that is what your choosing to do. Are you softening us up for why it is morally ok in your opinion to gouge?

Every single penny counts when you look down the road 6 months and wonder if your going to get to keep going to school, or if your going to have to drop out and get a second job to pay rent.

You sound desperate Seth, dont go criminal on us. More of a build up why gouging is OK?

Sure, I'd like to give people my knives at low prices, but I want to continue going to school, and I want to continue paying rent.

So, do it then. Does it have to be gouge or drop out and be on the street? How about maybe giving them the knives for what you paid as some of us do? That sounds fair to me and you wouldn't be losing a penny. This "I have to price gouge or I cant feed my family" stuff aint flyin with me. Your personal situation should have no bearing on the topic at hand.

It seems as though when comments and suggestions are made here people tend to get defensive. Let's call it like it is now. There's a lot more price gouging going on now, more than I ever remember. How does that help? It may put a little extra cash in someones pocket for the moment, but in the long run, I dont think it helps. If you need the money so bad you have to gouge, perhaps you shouldn't be buying in the first place, or maybe buying and selling drugs as there's more of a mark up.

If someone buys a Hell Razor from the company store for $275, and then sells it a day later for $375, is that a good thing? Does that help? I dont think that makes them a bad person but I dont think it's cool. For those who disagree with INFI MAN, could you explain to me then what is good about this scenario?

What if you all found out tomorrow that INFI MAN was Jerry? You would all drop to your knees and shudder chanting "were not worthy, we're not worthy". ? Perhaps you should ask him what his take is on price gouging ?

 

[tyr_shadowblade]

Busse makes excellent knives.:thumbup:

Unfortunately, the few they stock at the "company store" tend to sell out rather quickly. . .

. . . and some of their very best designs are suddenly discontinued, with no prior warning.

Thus, a knife that was being produced earlier this month, sold out last week, and was just announced (or implied) that it has been discontinued suddenly becomes a "rare" and expensive blade.

Seems like the market is being manipulated a bit.

It's a shame that some of the best knives Busse has ever made have been forever dropped from their line . . . "Oh, but then they wouldn't be collectible."

 

[kukula]

I am new to the forums as well, and have recently acquired some Busses which, if compared to the original prices, might seem astronomical. It hurts, but I dont mind. The fact that I agreed to the selling price means that I am responsible to my own decisions. No one forced me to buy the stuff in the first place. I can either grab it, or walk away. But the fact that I grabbed it means that in my own mind, the price indicated is consummerate to the value of the goods being sold. Having said that, I believe that these "old timers" isnt selling their knives just for profit sake. They are letting go of their prized possessions to give us piglets a chance to own a piece of INFI. And the "mark up" is just a way to console and justify, in their minds, the pain of letting something so valuable go. Just imagine if them Hogs decided not to part with any of their horde. We would all end up in the WTB forums, and the price would end up indeed being astronomical.

Oh well, its Sunday morning. Still havent had my coffee. Have a great day guys