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WTS: Rolex deep sea dweller - Bell & Ross BR01-94
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Buy directly from an AD, or with AD papers ect.. from a private seller.
again, if you read up on the replica forums, there are individuals, watchsmiths included, who compare side by side, the authentic to the copy.
the factories who make the copies watch and listen, some versions, like the Deep Sea Dwellers, have been re-done by the copiers 3-4 times after such threads were posted.
I saw a thread where a watch smith had measured, weighed the Deep Sea models and they came within +/- 1 gram of each others, the mechanisms interchanged from one to the other, the sapphire crystal was the same thickness and form, the steel was the same identical stainless 316 or whatever is used, the ceramic bezels were identical in polish and fit, the numbers on the bezel were identical in size and depth that they were cut, the interior details of all the font inside and outside the watch were identical in font size and depth that they were cut into the watch, the dial was identical in every aspect the print on the dial, all the numbers rolex crown, writing, all identical...including the etched crown at 6 o'clock on the crystal.
I believe on the 1st or 2nd version that he was comparing with the authentic deep sea, he had found that the 'scallops' on the outside dia. of the bezel were more oval cut, than those on the authentic which were rounder cut. He found the second hand white dot was slightly, like a few tenths of a mm - larger than the authentic Deep Sea.
Then about a month later, he received a 3rd version from whatever factory he was getting his copies, which had rectified those findings that he posted a month prior.
To the open eye, it is HARD to tell them apart. I've spent a lot of time comparing them myself, until you see them both one next to the other you can't realize how close they are.
The movt. is authentic eta 28800 so it sweeps with the same smoothness as an authentic watch. Obviously they couldn't be put together with the same precision as an authentic Rolex, but that's where the price difference comes into play. A copy will be good for 100m, while the authentic will be good to thousands.
A fake is a fake, no matter how you look at it. I too would like a real Shelby Cobra but i ain't got a million for one and I would certainly not know what to do with one if i did have it...would I drive it, would i be afraid to? Buying a Superformance Cobra, which is pretty damn close, but still somewhat pricy at $75,000 would leave me with a pretty close enough copy that i could drive without worrying much.
I think the same thing applies to these watches. If i had a 10K piece on my arm, i'd be a stressed out mess worrying about knocking it against a door or worse, it's this same reason that people with authentic watches buy copies. They like knowing they have a real one, but can't stand the thought of messing it up somehow.
Although there are plenty owners of authentic watches who buy fakes, not all will see eye to eye on this...ever.
the factories who make the copies watch and listen, some versions, like the Deep Sea Dwellers, have been re-done by the copiers 3-4 times after such threads were posted.
I saw a thread where a watch smith had measured, weighed the Deep Sea models and they came within +/- 1 gram of each others, the mechanisms interchanged from one to the other, the sapphire crystal was the same thickness and form, the steel was the same identical stainless 316 or whatever is used, the ceramic bezels were identical in polish and fit, the numbers on the bezel were identical in size and depth that they were cut, the interior details of all the font inside and outside the watch were identical in font size and depth that they were cut into the watch, the dial was identical in every aspect the print on the dial, all the numbers rolex crown, writing, all identical...including the etched crown at 6 o'clock on the crystal.
I believe on the 1st or 2nd version that he was comparing with the authentic deep sea, he had found that the 'scallops' on the outside dia. of the bezel were more oval cut, than those on the authentic which were rounder cut. He found the second hand white dot was slightly, like a few tenths of a mm - larger than the authentic Deep Sea.
Then about a month later, he received a 3rd version from whatever factory he was getting his copies, which had rectified those findings that he posted a month prior.
To the open eye, it is HARD to tell them apart. I've spent a lot of time comparing them myself, until you see them both one next to the other you can't realize how close they are.
The movt. is authentic eta 28800 so it sweeps with the same smoothness as an authentic watch. Obviously they couldn't be put together with the same precision as an authentic Rolex, but that's where the price difference comes into play. A copy will be good for 100m, while the authentic will be good to thousands.
A fake is a fake, no matter how you look at it. I too would like a real Shelby Cobra but i ain't got a million for one and I would certainly not know what to do with one if i did have it...would I drive it, would i be afraid to? Buying a Superformance Cobra, which is pretty damn close, but still somewhat pricy at $75,000 would leave me with a pretty close enough copy that i could drive without worrying much.
I think the same thing applies to these watches. If i had a 10K piece on my arm, i'd be a stressed out mess worrying about knocking it against a door or worse, it's this same reason that people with authentic watches buy copies. They like knowing they have a real one, but can't stand the thought of messing it up somehow.
Although there are plenty owners of authentic watches who buy fakes, not all will see eye to eye on this...ever.
From Wiki, but any dictionary would say similar:
To counterfeit means to illegally imitate something. Counterfeit products are often produced with the intent to take advantage of the superior value of the imitated product. The word counterfeit frequently describes both the forgeries of currency and documents, as well as the imitations of works of art, clothing, software, pharmaceuticals, watches, electronics and company logos and brands. In the case of goods, it results in patent infringement or trademark infringement.
Homage is a show or demonstration of respect or dedication to someone or something, sometimes by simple declaration but often by some more oblique reference, artistic or poetic.
So how does selling illegal counterfeits for profit get twisted to being a "homage"?
To counterfeit means to illegally imitate something. Counterfeit products are often produced with the intent to take advantage of the superior value of the imitated product. The word counterfeit frequently describes both the forgeries of currency and documents, as well as the imitations of works of art, clothing, software, pharmaceuticals, watches, electronics and company logos and brands. In the case of goods, it results in patent infringement or trademark infringement.
Homage is a show or demonstration of respect or dedication to someone or something, sometimes by simple declaration but often by some more oblique reference, artistic or poetic.
So how does selling illegal counterfeits for profit get twisted to being a "homage"?
or replica.The word is COUNTERFEIT!:barf
o you have any boot leg movies for sale?
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Come on, now. You've been around long enough to see just how tame this thread actually is...
Think of the threads where national pride (or lack of) is questioned, ethics and morality or pondered, extreme xenophobia raised its ugly head, questions of being un-American, and on an on; the threads that devolve into name calling and contempt.
Those threads are set off by someone just saying they like a certain type of knife that resembles a group favorite. Not exact copies, not the same steel, no FAKE markings or brandings on the blades or handles, different finishes, different dimensions, you name it.
Yet it is close enough to the fan base of the a certain knife company to get the guy who has one of these branded as an idiot, un-American, a cheapskate, and someone that supports slave labor along with the demise of the American way of life.
I think for someone that is selling a deliberate fake that is copied so closely to the original in every detail and even branded with a copyrighted name that it couldn't be thought of as anything else but counterfeit is getting off really easy here. Amazingly civil.
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The item he is selling may indeed be a copy but he is not deceiving anyone. He has clearly stated it is a replica. If he was tryng to pass it off as the real thing then we would have a problem with it. The same goes for any knife on this forum that is being sold. End of story. No need to discuss it further. Thread is closed.
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