WWlll Is Being Televised

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That's what I think as I watch the tanks mass on the Lebanon border with Israel. I don't have anything political to say about it. I'm surprised and saddened that as I age, international events are as least as frightening as they were when I was 20, and perhaps even more so.

WWlll actually began on 9-11. Recent events just confim it. Yes, I'm scared and for my children.




munk
 
What would it take for the US to be forced to help Israel. Because then I think it would be really considered WW3 by everyone not just some people. But I think soon other countrys will be drawn into the fighting.
 
Amen. And lets just hope we're not sitting here biding our time, a dress rehearsal, spinning our wheels, watching Rome burn; and this same scene is not repeated in 20 years but with nukes


munk
 
Been thinking about this John Fogerty song a lot lately

Did you hear 'em talkin' 'bout it on the radio
Did you try to read the writing on the wall
Did that voice inside you say I've heard it all before
It's like Deja Vu all over again

Day by day I hear the voices rising
Started with a whisper like it did before
Day by day we count the dead and dying
Ship the bodies home while the networks all keep score

Did you hear 'em talkin' 'bout it on the radio
Could your eyes believe the writing on the wall
Did that voice inside you say I've heard it all before
It's like Deja Vu all over again

One by one I see the old ghosts rising
Stumblin' 'cross Big Muddy
Where the light gets dim
Day after day another Momma's crying
She's lost her precious child
To a war that has no end

Did you hear 'em talkin' 'bout it on the radio
Did you stop to read the writing at The Wall
Did that voice inside you say
I've seen this all before
It's like Deja Vu all over again
It's like Deja Vu all over again
 
And this one by Jerry Garcia and Robert Hunter which takes on new meaning for me since Jerry's gone.

Standing on the moon
I got no cobweb on my shoe
Standing on the moon
I'm feeling so alone and blue
I see the Gulf of Mexico
As tiny as a tear
The coast of California
Must be somewhere over here - over here

Standing on the moon
I see the battle rage below
Standing on the moon
I see the soldiers come and go
There's a metal flag beside me
Someone planted long ago
Old Glory standing stiffly
Crimson, white and indigo - indigo

I see all of Southeast Asia
I can see El Salvador
I hear the cries of children
And the other songs of war
It's like a mighty melody
That rings down from the sky
Standing here upon the moon
I watch it all roll by - all roll by

Standing on the moon
With nothing else to do
A lovely view of heaven
But I'd rather be with you

Standing on the moon
I see a shadow on the sun
Standing on the moon
The stars go fading one by one
I hear a cry of victory
And another of defeat
a scrap of age-old lullaby
Down some forgotten street

Standing on the moon
Where talk is cheap and vision true
Standing on the moon
But I would rather be with you
Somewhere in San Francisco
On a back porch in July
Just looking up to heaven
At this crescent in the sky

Standing on the moon
With nothing left to do
A lovely view of heaven
But I'd rather be with you - be with you
 
If there is a G*d, does he really want us to kill one another over differences in how we worship Him?

Is this the high-water mark of humanity? Internet, moon landing, medical advances, etc., whatever 2006 is - before we slip BACK into the dark ages, possibly unto atomic extinction, over a religious argument-led-to-war that we should have grown out of in the 8th century?


Mike
 
I really hope this is not the major beginnings of the next world-wide conflict. Sounds kind of familiar: Something happens in a place most American's cannot find on a map (I know, most American's can't find STATES on a map...but you get the idea), a series of small events force the hand of some power to take action, said action affects the political/economic/idiological ties with both/all parties, a ripple effect takes place and a lot of blood is spilled in a lot of places.
It's funny. Not ha-ha funny, but surreal to watch it from my vantage, age, and place in life. My adult life basically began with 9/11. Up until that point I was just a 20 year old college junior with no political standing so to speak. My girlfriend and I slept in that september day...even skipped class like kids do. We woke up to the news, to a world of fire and horror. It was a confusing time and magnified to a burning focus on the college campus. It was life-changing.
Two months later I was engaged. We were waiting until the summer, but after all the insanity, it just seemed right to me. Popped the question on December 22nd before driving up to see our parents. Over the next couple of years, I watched the world change. I watched my generation take the place of those that came before us in fighting our enemies. I've seen mud-slinging politically and I have seen the awesome power of human cooperation under horrid affairs. I got married, bought a house, adopted a dog, and every night after I got home from work I watched the world being wrot in the forge of change on the news station. It's never stopped, and it's nothing new. However, for a gen X'er (or gen Y or gen Me...take your pick) this was something very real. The Cold War was nothing more than G.I. Joes to us. Desert Storm was over in days. That's how wars were fought these days, right? Now I sit on the crossroads of life at 25. Kids are not that far out of the picture. A couple of years maybe? Where will the world be in a couple of years? How will my children grow up with the fallout from the series of events happening right now? Will the world be viewable through rose colored glasses? Will it even be here at all? Will all of this pressure of change still be building, bubbling, swelling like the pit of my stomach has for the last week? I'm watching the world pass the torch to my generation. And like every generation before them, I'm watching us grow wide-eyed not knowing what the hell to do. The rules keep changing on us, and if we break one the result could be very, very bad for humanity.

Jake
 
Nice relevant song lyrics; thank you, Hollow.

I love Standing on the Moon anyway...
Haven't heard the Fogerty song.


And a big ole SIGH.
Religion. That's right, folks, cut it down to bare bones, our hatred alone is enough that we are killing each other. Religion is just the vehicle I think.

I know this is trite, but fights in the forum, fights at work, at home, in the neighborhood, in Washingon; fighting all the time. And in the Middle East they are fighting and it might end up killing all of us.

I just came out of the shower after chopping up a tree with a khuk. The Kid and I de-limbed a fallen pine. It was still pretty wet inside, green, and was heavy dragging the chunks across the streambed, up the bank and into my yard. My old 20" Village AK and a 18" Samsher did real good. I delimbed a lot more of the tree than the Kid, I was faster, but when we reached the yard, it was me panting and needing to take a rest. The Kid was fine. Must be great to be 17.

Too bad Hezbolah leaders can't chop a few trees with khuks before deciding to fire rockets on Israel. Too bad the leaders can't be forced to cut the trees down together before any fighting is allowed. Trite, I know.


munk
 
Ad Astra said:
If there is a G*d, does he really want us to kill one another over differences in how we worship Him?

Is this the high-water mark of humanity? Internet, moon landing, medical advances, etc., whatever 2006 is - before we slip BACK into the dark ages, possibly unto atomic extinction, over a religious argument-led-to-war that we should have grown out of in the 8th century?


Mike
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Amen! I couldn't have said it better.
 
SamuraiDave said:
On that note I am going to go play Stronghold Crusaders. Or maybe Midieval Total War???
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Dave, you're a man after my own heart. I have both installed on this work computer for the "slow days".

Jake
 
religion and greed -idiots have bolth-
sane men neither-
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Almost all men have both. Its not sane vs. Insane. its self awareness vs self-unawareness.

Wise men realize they have flaws and desires and try to remain vigilant in their conduct so those desires and flaws are not making their decisions for them. Wise men also acknowledge that all other people struggle and suffer with the same flaws and desires....whether they are aware of it or not.

I just picked up an amazing book for my children called Old Turtle and the Broken Truth. Basically the message is that people have missed half of the great truth. It makes the point that Most people are operating under 1/2 of the truth which is "you are loved" and take that to mean that ONLY they, and those like them are loved (see the religion coming into play?). but the other half of the truth is revealed to them later and brings understanding, which leads to peace which makes them aware of Love. the other half of the above truth? "AND SO ARE THEY" "

"they" are all people, plants, and animals and the earth itself....
 
You know whats weird? Last night i had a dream about the apocalypse. It was mainly about the last few days, and we had to all pack out stuff and hope to get to some sort of safe haven. It was weird cause all i kept thinking about was if i had everything i needed like a toothbrush and to make sure i call all my friends and hope all is well and that they are the best friends a guy could have. Then i don't what happened but after some event the sky had an angry red haze to it.

Weird stuff.......:(
 
This isn't WWIII...we're on the verge of it though,I like statistics:It's been 60 years since a nuke was used in war-so it's bound to happen again and soon.

We're all gonna see it go down in the next 5 to 10 years,I expect the death toll to be around 1 maybe 1 1/2 to as much as two billion dead and injured;what I see as the thing that's going to make the history books is almost all nations will get hit,inculding America...what can I say? this is our new world we're so close that when major heat happens everybody get's hit.

What can we do? learn to duck!
 
that there may not be much left of us in 100 years. I try not to dwell on it too much. But I don't deny the possibility. If America gets hit hard let me say that it was a pleasure knowing all of you. I'm inbetween Downtown/LAX and the San Onofre reactor/Camp Pendleton, near Disneyland. Not a good place to be if and when TSHTF. I guess if I don't get vaporized or die of radiation poisoning I can look forward to full scale chaos. National Guard vs. the gangs. I suppose I could live in the sewers and only come out at night to feed on the dead. If any of you want to come and join my Morlocks I'll leave a manhole cover open for you.

Frank
 
IT was good to know you too, Frank.

In War of the Worlds, there was a character who wanted to live underground in the sewers. It's a universal fantasy. There was an underground society in A Boy and his Dog. Hell, they even dug Saddam Hussein out of a hole in the ground. But if the SHTF, there isn't anywhere to hide, is there?



munk
 
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