Xmas Dilemma

[Rob72]

And no respectable self defence course will simulate or train for predatory street assault with weapons.

I'm not sure of your location, but yes, there are very respectable courses that do force-on-force, in combination with managing unknown contacts(verbal judo). Very eye opening, profoundly humbling in some ways, incredibly validating in others, depending on your background, and an excellent foundation for growth.

Dennis Martin is "Olde School", out of Britain, and an invaluable resource.
Chris Fry and Craig Douglas are here in the US.
As is Carrie Lightfoot (TheWellArmedWoman) and Kathy Jackson (TheCorneredCat).

In several years working the ED and field, I saw 3 men DOA from stab wounds to the torso by thoroughly untrained, but definitely motivated women. I have never seen a knife turned on a "defender". Totally anecdotal, with a limited "n", but the concept of not having a weapon unless you train with it is vastly over-hyped. Not saying it doesn't happen, but there is strong motivation to leave when the blood starts flowing.

Ideally, force management should look roughly like:

1) Assess your activities, avoid high-risk.
2) Have sufficient verbal acuity to be able to de-escalate (or, if necessary, escalate) a confrontation.
3) Have the mental pathway for escalation of force.
4) Have the ability to verbalize that escalation.
5) Be physically capable.
6) Have tools to facilitate the above, and be versed in their use.

Edit: I'm surprised the PD is good to go, but not spray or "ring knife". Go figure!

 

[cbrstar]

So noone should carry a knife for self defence. Unless you have graduated from knife fighting school. That’s literally what you are saying

The reality is you need a huge distance between you and your assailant to have enough time to react and draw your weapon. I'm sure there's vids on youtube that teach about it. Then there's the fact you need the mindset to actually use it. Not everyone has it in them to hurt another person let alone to use a weapon.
Imho a knife etc will only work if you have the street smarts to understand the situation your in ahead of time and have it ready. But if you can recognise those situations ahead of time you're going to be smart enough to avoid them.

There's also the huge legal can of worms. Where I live if you use a knife to defend yourself. Well your getting charged to.

 

[Lapedog]

I recommend a very high power strobing flashlight. Teach her not to use it except defensively, that way the battery will be fully charged and the light at full strength. There are flahslights like this that are so bright they will leave an assailant blind for a few seconds, enough time to run away.

Not very useful if the assailant has already grabbed her; but there are tons of scenarios where it will help.

 

[St0ut]

I'm not sure of your location, but yes, there are very respectable courses that do force-on-force, in combination with managing unknown contacts(verbal judo). Very eye opening, profoundly humbling in some ways, incredibly validating in others, depending on your background, and an excellent foundation for growth.

Dennis Martin is "Olde School", out of Britain, and an invaluable resource.
Chris Fry and Craig Douglas are here in the US.
As is Carrie Lightfoot (TheWellArmedWoman) and Kathy Jackson (TheCorneredCat).

In several years working the ED and field, I saw 3 men DOA from stab wounds to the torso by thoroughly untrained, but definitely motivated women. I have never seen a knife turned on a "defender". Totally anecdotal, with a limited "n", but the concept of not having a weapon unless you train with it is vastly over-hyped. Not saying it doesn't happen, but there is strong motivation to leave when the blood starts flowing.

Ideally, force management should look roughly like:

1) Assess your activities, avoid high-risk.
2) Have sufficient verbal acuity to be able to de-escalate (or, if necessary, escalate) a confrontation.
3) Have the mental pathway for escalation of force.
4) Have the ability to verbalize that escalation.
5) Be physically capable.
6) Have tools to facilitate the above, and be versed in their use.

Edit: I'm surprised the PD is good to go, but not spray or "ring knife". Go figure!

People have been using knifes for defence since the dawn of time. Completely concurring with the over hype. You just need a few basics. And not be stupid

 

[cbrstar]

I have to ask. Have you personally ever used a knife for self defence?

 

[Akcir]

Ha ha. The only person who didn't understand what you were getting at, was the community post critic.
Getting something engraved, that your son will value, is a great idea.

You know your daughter, we don't. I think Rob72 made some valid points. A feisty young lady slashing and stabbing wildly at some ones eyes face and throat, can be somewhat of a deterrent. Especially if she's fighting for her life. I'm sure you'll pick something that will be easy to retain, and fit her hand well.

Good luck.

 

[St0ut]

I recommend a very high power strobing flashlight. Teach her not to use it except defensively, that way the battery will be fully charged and the light at full strength. There are flahslights like this that are so bright they will leave an assailant blind for a few seconds, enough time to run away.

Not very useful if the assailant has already grabbed her; but there are tons of scenarios where it will help.

Please explain how flashlights are effective during daylight which is when most teens are abducted. Additionally most teens are not going to be tactical until needed. They are not going to be sitting at a Starbucks with tactical flashlight at the ready. At beast it would be in her purse.

Let me know when you put all your EDC in your backpack or briefcase

 

[22-rimfire]

He has the Vic. One handed trekker. An explorer, the gerber Scout, leatherman signal, and Mcusta katana (black belt gift) plus a few others he has gained along the way.

In that case, go with a 3-4" fixed blade. He may find it more useful in the woods. The ESEE 3, ESEE 4, or Kabar Becker BK-16 come to mind as modestly priced but good fixed blades.

For you daughter, I gave my suggestions. I honestly have few suggestions that I haven't already made. Does you daughter perceive a danger at her age?

 

[Brhowser87]

Please explain how flashlights are effective during daylight which is when most teens are abducted. Additionally most teens are not going to be tactical until needed. They are not going to be sitting at a Starbucks with tactical flashlight at the ready. At beast it would be in her purse.

Let me know when you put all your EDC in your backpack or briefcase

BUCK has a line of scout knives that are nice. https://www.buckknives.com/collection/bsa/ The 500 Duke at the bottom is for eagle scouts and u can personalize it. hope that helps you. Goodluck

The best thing I can tell you about the people on here is there are some VERY kind and informative ones but u also have the ones that ALWAYS have something negative or ignorant ( ) to say especially to new or newer people so move right past it to the things that are useful to your cause. (Every word from experience)

 

[Lapedog]

Please explain how flashlights are effective during daylight which is when most teens are abducted. Additionally most teens are not going to be tactical until needed. They are not going to be sitting at a Starbucks with tactical flashlight at the ready. At beast it would be in her purse.

Let me know when you put all your EDC in your backpack or briefcase

Most abductions that take place in daylight are not by force but rather coercion or convincing. I don’t know where your daughter is going but generally during daylight there are other people around so most criminals will not snatch someone away and carry them off right infront of everyone. Also the vast vast majority of abductions are by a person the victim already knows.

 

[St0ut]

Most abductions that take place in daylight are not by force but rather coercion or convincing. I don’t know where your daughter is going but generally during daylight there are other people around so most criminals will not snatch someone away and carry them off right infront of everyone. Also the vast vast majority of abductions are by a person the victim already knows.

As I said let me know when you put all your edc gear in you backpack

 

[St0ut]

For you daughter, I gave my suggestions. I honestly have few suggestions that I haven't already made. Does you daughter perceive a danger at her age?

No she doesn’t. As I said. I can do the parenting. Thanks.

 

[Lapedog]

As I said let me know when you put all your edc gear in you backpack

What does that have to do with anything. Drawing any self defense tool is one of the biggest bottlenecks in whether it is going to be effective or not. If your daughter won’t keep her self defense tools at the ready and will keep them in her purse what is the point?

You don’t have to listen to the advice on here that a knife, particularly in untrained teenage girl hands, is likely to only escalate any situation and be taken and used on her. There are some women who have miraculously defended themselves in similar scenarios I know I wouldn’t want the women in my family to be counting on such slim odds in a life or death scenario.

 

[St0ut]

What does that have to do with anything. Drawing any self defense tool is one of the biggest bottlenecks in whether it is going to be effective or not. If your daughter won’t keep her self defense tools at the ready and will keep them in her purse what is the point?

Because your suggesting that she keep a flashlight in her hand at all times. Which is laughable.

You don’t have to listen to the advice on here that a knife, particularly in untrained teenage girl hands, is likely to only escalate any situation and be taken m and used on her. There are some women who have miraculously defended themselves in similar scenarios I know I wouldn’t want the women in my family to be counting on such slim odds in a life or death scenario.

I asked about the blade. You continue to comment on my parenting skill.
If she is being attacked it already has escalated.
So. Respectfully STFU.

 

[SpySmasher]

Thank you for fixing the spelling of the thread title.

 

[Boru13]

You continue to comment on my parenting skill.
If she is being attacked it already has escalated.
So. Respectfully STFU.

Since you have the parenting skill taken care of, perhaps it would be better if YOU decided what's best for your daughter instead of some strangers on the internet.

This threads done.