Ndog, Not all tongs are created equal. Many have been abused and need TLC. Some that have been repaired and look crappy are just as good as new and on occasion, better than new. Tongs need fitted to the materials that you are going to use and there is more than just one kind of tong for flat stock, round stock, bar stock, half round, and etc. It would probably be best if you sent me an email or message, or give me a call because I can talk all day about them and could recommend many. Had a friend that "invented" a special design of common tongs and I really wish I'd get off my butt and buy several. I need to know if you want new, used, inexpensive, mid-range, or top of the line. After studying sword building in Denmark, I find that there are European/Scandinavian tongs different than what I am familiar with, but have a definite place for some jobs. Large tongs can be made smaller. You can forge your own tongs and repair tongs to make them work for what you need. Get you a set of small duck bills, a single pick up tong (you won't need a set of double pick ups if you're just starting out), a couple of round stock tongs in a couple of sizes, and some larger ones for flat stock over 1/4 inch. Couple of vise grips will work wonders for you, too. I took a pair that had a jaw broken off and made a pair of small box tongs out of them and I simply love them. Box tongs are for flat stock, too. I have some tongs that can be altered, ditto for some crucible tongs, and etc. I bought 92 pair of original 1800s tongs from Maytag before they were bought out by Whirlpool for $25. All made by a German smith they imported to run the shop. Several tongs are 4 foot long or better! Got the 268 pound anvil, it's wooden mounting block and the steel block holder for $15. Blah, blah, blah.......