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Let me explain this for anyone who suspects that I am being openly anti-gay.
Over here in Japan, people, especially the bureaucrats, tend to be very "domestic."
When they hear "we will rock you" the stomping of boots and the clapping of hands reminds them of the German military marches they love so dearly.
I know them pretty well by now, I know what they are thinking. Assuming.
They hear that song and it sounds like solidarity, militarism, people marching and stomping and clapping in unity. I think you know what im talking about.
They have NO IDEA about the meaning of the word "queen."
none.
They assume it means what they want it to mean because they dont know what the words mean because they dont like english.
Believe it or not, I am practically a civil rights leader over here...
Over here in Japan, people, especially the bureaucrats, tend to be very "domestic."
When they hear "we will rock you" the stomping of boots and the clapping of hands reminds them of the German military marches they love so dearly.
I know them pretty well by now, I know what they are thinking. Assuming.
They hear that song and it sounds like solidarity, militarism, people marching and stomping and clapping in unity. I think you know what im talking about.
They have NO IDEA about the meaning of the word "queen."
none.
They assume it means what they want it to mean because they dont know what the words mean because they dont like english.
Believe it or not, I am practically a civil rights leader over here...
Well, you civil rights leader.... "Queen For A Day" I always say! NaaaaW you are not anti-gay and I never assumed that. As the beat goes on... if they like the beat and the song strikes their fancy, they like it...... on the other hand, what do the words matter anyway...... "Heil Hitler" aaaaaaaaGGhhhhhhhh!DannyinJapan said:
No thanks,
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Danny, I susepct you are coming up against one of the fundamental Japanese cultural values that is different than our own. Americans place a strong value on individualism, while the Japanese tend to place value on collective effort.DannyinJapan said:
I don't think this is true of all asian cultures. For instance, my perception of the Chinese is that they place a stronger emphasis on individual endeavor than the Japanese do.
Of course, any individual may not reflect the values predominant in the culture.
I've never been to a rock concert, perhaps for some of the reason you hypothesise the Japanese like rock. Thousands of people swaying to a common rhythm, stomping their feet in unison, etc, is a very unatractive thing to me. However, many people here in the US enjoy the collective experience of such concerts.
Perhaps the Japanese have something to teach about the connections between militarism and the music many of us listen too. Sometimes a change of perspective helps us to see things that we have not seen before.
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I dont know what goes on in their heads.
I just know that they tend to choose the 180 degree oppostie, 180 wrong choice compared to what one of us would make.
I never said the Japanese liked rock. Indeed, if they ever found out that the message of rock was "f$ck the establishment", they'd probably try to ban it.
(The same with jazz and blues.)
They liked the military sound of that one song, its pretty agressive and nigh-violent, isnt it.
"We will, we will, (do something) to you.."
Dudes, at more than one public school assembly meeting, I have seen the students give the one- armed, 45 degree angle salute.
More than one foreign English teacher's jaw has dropped at that one.
700 Japanese high school kids doing the Heil Hitler salute.
(They dont say "heil hitler", they say "tokyo!!" But the salute is the same)
I know, Munk and others have tried to convince me that this is all just a different color of the same stuff found all over the world, but I remain unconvinced.
Howard, you are on the right track, most definitely, but I dont think it is the japense "people" who love that music. It is part of the public school indoctrination, its the same in every school, and I consider it nothing less than programming.
They dont naturally love to live in crappy little apartments that cost three times as much as they do in America.
They have to be taught , convinced to accept it.
They have to be made terrified of the outside world, especially America with it's cheap everything and buxom women.
Why?
Brain drain, baby.
The govt cant afford for all of its best and brightest to move to America and buy a huge house for the same money they pay for a little vinyl sided shack in tokyo.
Ergo, programming, lots of it, and an exclusive, xenophobic attitude on the TV. "English is for foreigners"
I just know that they tend to choose the 180 degree oppostie, 180 wrong choice compared to what one of us would make.
I never said the Japanese liked rock. Indeed, if they ever found out that the message of rock was "f$ck the establishment", they'd probably try to ban it.
(The same with jazz and blues.)
They liked the military sound of that one song, its pretty agressive and nigh-violent, isnt it.
"We will, we will, (do something) to you.."
Dudes, at more than one public school assembly meeting, I have seen the students give the one- armed, 45 degree angle salute.
More than one foreign English teacher's jaw has dropped at that one.
700 Japanese high school kids doing the Heil Hitler salute.
(They dont say "heil hitler", they say "tokyo!!" But the salute is the same)
I know, Munk and others have tried to convince me that this is all just a different color of the same stuff found all over the world, but I remain unconvinced.
Howard, you are on the right track, most definitely, but I dont think it is the japense "people" who love that music. It is part of the public school indoctrination, its the same in every school, and I consider it nothing less than programming.
They dont naturally love to live in crappy little apartments that cost three times as much as they do in America.
They have to be taught , convinced to accept it.
They have to be made terrified of the outside world, especially America with it's cheap everything and buxom women.
Why?
Brain drain, baby.
The govt cant afford for all of its best and brightest to move to America and buy a huge house for the same money they pay for a little vinyl sided shack in tokyo.
Ergo, programming, lots of it, and an exclusive, xenophobic attitude on the TV. "English is for foreigners"
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How do we come by our cultural values? How are we caught up and convinced to participate in the machine that is our society?DannyinJapan said:
How does the percentage of Japanese who know some English compare to the percentage of Americans who know some Japanese?
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How do we come by our cultural values? How are we caught up and convinced to participate in the machine that is our society?
By similar but much less openly racially supremacist methods with relatively accurate history books.
How does the percentage of Japanese who know some English compare to the percentage of Americans who know some Japanese?
English is complusory here, 6 years to graduate from high school. 2 more in college, more if you want to be a teacher.
Japanese is not the language of the world. English is. It is not the American language, it is the world language. I have students who want to learn English so they can talk to Korean students who also learned English.
Last I checked, only 20% of the Japanese population could speak English.
(Or more accurately, 20% admitted it)
I think Singapore has about 70% English fluency.
then again, you have to understand what "japanese" is. The Japanese language is dead. And yet, it is alive. It is now a mishmash pidgin language.
Have you ever seen any of those racist comedies where someone pretends to be japanese and talks in that "me rikee velly muchee" kind of way?
That is how they actually talk.
I kid you not.
Not only that, they call it "japanese"
By similar but much less openly racially supremacist methods with relatively accurate history books.
How does the percentage of Japanese who know some English compare to the percentage of Americans who know some Japanese?
English is complusory here, 6 years to graduate from high school. 2 more in college, more if you want to be a teacher.
Japanese is not the language of the world. English is. It is not the American language, it is the world language. I have students who want to learn English so they can talk to Korean students who also learned English.
Last I checked, only 20% of the Japanese population could speak English.
(Or more accurately, 20% admitted it)
I think Singapore has about 70% English fluency.
then again, you have to understand what "japanese" is. The Japanese language is dead. And yet, it is alive. It is now a mishmash pidgin language.
Have you ever seen any of those racist comedies where someone pretends to be japanese and talks in that "me rikee velly muchee" kind of way?
That is how they actually talk.
I kid you not.
Not only that, they call it "japanese"
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DannyinJapan said:
I'm sorry, but that just gives me the mental image of Danny the Giant sitting on a Japanese park bench passing out bread crumbs to a bunch of tiny bobbing and cooing Japanese folks. Each one feverously snacking on a piece of bread saying "me rikee velly muchee".
God, i need a vacation or some medication
btw, i know that "pidgin" is not a small white filthy bird..just sounds like it
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Visitors to Yasukuni are confronted with the exhibit of a reconstructed Zero fighter, which stands in an honored spot inside the shrine's newly expanded museum. Also on exhibit is the gingerly encased military uniform of Hirohito, the wartime emperor. Miniature flags of the Rising Sun can be purchased at the museum gift shop, along with camouflage T-shirts and scale models of the battleship Yamato sunk by U.S. forces off Okinawa in 1945.
In a museum film, Pearl Harbor is described as a "battle for Japan's survival" while one exhibit blames the 1937 Nanjing Massacre -- where Chinese officials say Japanese soldiers slaughtered 300,000 people -- on the Chinese leaders who fled the city while ordering their men to fight to the death. After the fall of Nanjing to the Japanese, the museum notes, "the Chinese citizens were once again able to live their lives in peace."
"Individuals and people have their own respective views on history, culture and tradition," said Takao Fuji, an influential lawmaker from Japan's ruling Liberal Democratic Party who attended the ceremony.
Yeah - Japan's view and the rest of the planet's view.
In a museum film, Pearl Harbor is described as a "battle for Japan's survival" while one exhibit blames the 1937 Nanjing Massacre -- where Chinese officials say Japanese soldiers slaughtered 300,000 people -- on the Chinese leaders who fled the city while ordering their men to fight to the death. After the fall of Nanjing to the Japanese, the museum notes, "the Chinese citizens were once again able to live their lives in peace."
"Individuals and people have their own respective views on history, culture and tradition," said Takao Fuji, an influential lawmaker from Japan's ruling Liberal Democratic Party who attended the ceremony.
Yeah - Japan's view and the rest of the planet's view.
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I think this particular shrine, and the periodic visits to it by prominent polititians, plays a key part in the present Japan/China tensions.
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Howard Wallace said:
Just wonder how American response "Pearl Harbor is described as a "battle for Japan's survival" and how you think those polititians visited Yasukuni shrine frequently--there maybe have Japanese soldiers who bombed the Pearl Harbor.
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"BTW, I did NOT give you a red chicklet. If I had, it would have been signed"
All RED chiclets gladly accepted here, thanks.
All RED chiclets gladly accepted here, thanks.
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Another red for you. I see you're displaying the "red badge of courage" now. It says your behavior has been shameless too ...BillTheCat said:
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The Japanese are going to end up getting nuked again, and it all comes down to - guess what - the way they teach in their public schools. I told you there was something stinky over here....
But do they examine their textbooks and say" maybe we could make some changes"
Hell no, they act like 16 year old boys and start accusing China of having anti-japanese textbooks.
Classic Japanese BS.
Thats how old they are, mentally, about 16.
TOKYO (AP) - Japan opened a new front in its dispute with China on Sunday by sharply criticizing Beijing's history textbooks, signaling continued friction between the Asian powers despite high-profile diplomatic moves to quell tensions.
Japanese Foreign Minister Nobutaka Machimura refuted Chinese claims that Japanese textbooks gloss over Tokyo's World War II-era atrocities, firing back in a TV talk show Sunday that China's schools indoctrinate their students with an unbalanced take on the past.
``There is a tendency toward this in any country, but the Chinese textbooks are extreme in the way they uniformly convey the 'our country is correct' perspective,'' Machimura said, echoing Sunday's editorial in Japan's largest newspaper accusing China of nationalistic education.
But do they examine their textbooks and say" maybe we could make some changes"
Hell no, they act like 16 year old boys and start accusing China of having anti-japanese textbooks.
Classic Japanese BS.
Thats how old they are, mentally, about 16.
TOKYO (AP) - Japan opened a new front in its dispute with China on Sunday by sharply criticizing Beijing's history textbooks, signaling continued friction between the Asian powers despite high-profile diplomatic moves to quell tensions.
Japanese Foreign Minister Nobutaka Machimura refuted Chinese claims that Japanese textbooks gloss over Tokyo's World War II-era atrocities, firing back in a TV talk show Sunday that China's schools indoctrinate their students with an unbalanced take on the past.
``There is a tendency toward this in any country, but the Chinese textbooks are extreme in the way they uniformly convey the 'our country is correct' perspective,'' Machimura said, echoing Sunday's editorial in Japan's largest newspaper accusing China of nationalistic education.
