Your best defense?

Well the only real knife I own and my EDC is a BM 910 in M2 (as riggormortis also carries). However, I would be hesitant to use it until I was sure my life was in danger. I have a martial arts background and am very confident in myself. However, the first thing I would do is try to flee the situation. Hell, I'll give him my wallet. Everything in their is easily replaced and definately not worth more than the well being of myself and loved ones. An interesting thing to remember when being asked for your wallet is to feign being incredibly scared and drop the wallet as you go to hand it to him. From there you have 2 choices as he is drawn to the falling item. 1. deliver a blow to a vulnerable area while he is distracted or 2. run like hell. In most situations I would go for 2 since he has what he wants and thinks you are scared pissless. If he wanted to mess with you why not do it first off since he could always get your stuff later?
 
one2gofst, agreed. BTW, my screen name is "rigormootis" - as in the mountainbike...not the state of death :cool: ;) Nice choice in urban jungle blades!
 
Step one: Kick thug in nuts
Step two: Knee thug in nose while he's bent over holding his gonads as to break it nicely
Step three: if steps 1 and 2 fail kick the ******* in the kneecap hard enough to hyperextend it and cause him to become a crying puddle of pain on the ground.
Step four: laugh at his ass cause he can't even walk let alone run to catch you

Of course this is in the perfect wprld were allstreet thugs aren't too swift.

All else fails: I've got a Glock 19 stocked with holow points, Razor sharp Almar SERE 2000 and a damn good insureance policy
 
One2gofst,

Do we really want to make life that easy for the criminals? If everyone handed their wallets to thugs and ran, I think we would all have to stop carrying wallets, since someone would be waiting to take it every time we leave the house.

Of of the NRA's chief arguements for allowing people to keep guns in their homes is that it disuades criminals from home invasions. Most burglars won't knowingly break in an occupied house because they fear being shot while doing so.

My point is that if private citizens stop offering resistance to crime, things would be much worse than they are now.
 
Im with beck on this one, i would NEVER hand over my wallet, if i did then it would be encouraging the criminal to do it again, and if everyone did it then it would be bad cause all the crimanals would be rich and all the law abiding citizens would be without their wallets.
 
I know this thread is mainly "for fun," but I'd ask everyone to better consider the reality of pulling steel in this situation. If the BG is unarmed, you may have a lot of trouble justifying this to the law, if he has a knife or club, drawing yours may not be as simple as you think.

Just not enough information on distance, disparity of force issues, and who might be with you (and their capabilities).

As a general rule, I'm not giving squat to an unarmed accoster. I have plans for other situations, but I prefer not to talk about something I won't be able to prove I'm willing to do for real until it happens.

I think the stout, wooden, crooktop cane is the best defensive weapon in this scenario, along with training about it's basic use, as well as a firm grounding in the laws of self-defense and simple H2H combat. A cane can be used with lethal force against someone with a blade or impact weapon, or it could be used against someone's shins for less lethal defense, always with the capability of escalating or de-escalating depending on the situation. I carry a cane alot on OSU campus, and increasingly, all over Columbus. Based upon my observations, reading posts from BF Prac/Tac, and upon the Cane Forum info from KF, I can say with confidence that if you are carrying one without any obvious need for it, then you won't be "simulating a victim." You will be cutting a very convincing image of someone with a big, legal stick. Just be sure your situational awareness is likewise demonstrated, or you may find your cane in someone else's possession. Also do your best to appear peaceful and humble, etc. I would only simulate a limp at some type of weapons checkpoint, not in daily carry. Why do I carry a cane? BECAUSE IT'S "FASHION." (He he.)

Mr. Beck, there is a lengthy thread on the "hockey dad" case in Community forum. Things aren't as simple as they seem.


Karl
 
Rifter, what bad part of Vancouver would you happen to be in? Cuz of work? Personally, I just don't ever go into a bad area unless it's just passing through in a car with the windows up and doors locked. Otherwise, I'm in the "good parts" of Vancouver to get my entertainment! :)

I usually carry a BM710 as an EDC. I switch to a BM 800HS when out with my fiancee in the evenings. I try to carry an ASP baton when possible and that would be my first choice if I had to draw a weapon. I would only draw a blade if my life absolutely depended on it. But if the other guy is unarmed I would have to say running away is my choice. I'm too young to go to jail for gutting a BG. Tempting, but not worth it.

Now what would you do if you have a fiancee that is not the physical type and can't run very fast? I know, my woman sounds useless...but she's got 3 degrees and is sharp as a tack and gorgeous to boot. She's just not physical. What would my/your options be at that point? I suppose I would just give up the money but the thought of it disgusts me.

Burton

O yah, when I travel, I have two wallets/passports. One set is all my real stuff...while the other is fodder; expired credit cards with some old school ID, old passport if need be and 20 or 30 dollars in cash. Just to appease the dikhead.
 
Originally posted by Rifter
Im with beck on this one, i would NEVER hand over my wallet
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I have handed over my wallet when mugged, even though I was legally carrying a firearm and a knife at the time, and well-trained in their use.

I judged that that $40 in my wallet wasn't worth the time and money I'd have to spend explaining myself to the police if I were to use lethal force. Plus, there's always the chance that something might go wrong - weapon misfire, injured bystander, friend of mugger nearby, ..., and weighed against $40, it just wasn't worth it.

If need be, the wallet would have served as a useful distraction while drawing...
 
Well you got me on that one, Safety Dad. I must admit my knowledge of the "hocky dad" case was limited to brief news reports and some comments I had heard from people who had watched the trial on TV. I did not know that the smaller guy actually started the fight. That does make a big difference in my opinion. I have always believed the person who starts a fight is chiefly to blame for the consequences, regardless of who does what to whom.
 
You all need to do what you are comfortable with. I am not scared of being in an altercation any more than the next guy. However, in life you must pick your battles. In reality you do not know if the guy is armed or not. If I got mugged 10 times maybe 9 of the 10 the perp has no weapon. However on the one time he does have a gu, no getting shot is worth the collective $200-300 I would have given up. No piece of property is worth my life. If someone attacks me then it is on, but not for a few bucks.

As a flip side to the question about "what if the significant other cannot run fast?" I ask how would you feel if he/she is seriously injured or killed because you chose to excalate the situation when it could have been deescalated for a few bucks? If you give up your cash you are in no more of a compromised situation than if you fight over your green. However, by choosing to fight off the bat you force the scenario on the perp who otherwise probably wanted only your money.
 
Bae and One2gofst, here's another way to look at it: It may not be worth $40.00 cash, but it might have been worth it to take the thieving parasite off the streets so he could'nt victimize more people.
This time is was robbery, next time maybe a mugging, then maybe burglary, then maybe murder...who knows. Most criminals start small before they become real threats.
It's not just over a few bucks, you're preventing future criminal acts and saving future victims alot of grief.
I'm not questioning your judgement, heck I was'nt even there, I'm just perplexed by your reasoning.
I have always believed that law-abiding citizens have the right to stop criminals.
The police are not the first line of defense, we are.

Allen.
 
Originally posted by allenC
Bae and One2gofst, here's another way to look at it: It may not be worth $40.00 cash, but it might have been worth it to take the thieving parasite off the streets so he could'nt victimize more people.
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The question is one of priorities and risk analysis. In a high-risk situation, such as a robbery, I consider my primary responsibility to be to myself and my family while society as a whole is a secondary responsibility. If I can serve them all without incurring significantly more risk I will, but it isn't just a matter of the money. The tradeoff of the $40 in my wallet versus the risk of getting myself killed is significant, if only economically, since I am the sole support of my family.

How much additional risk is worthwhile for the overall good? I think that's a call each individual has to make. Serving the greater good is certainly lauditory, but when it comes to balancing that against family there are no easy answers.

--Bob Q
 
I dont work in a bad area, however some of my friends do work in warehouses in pretty bad parts of town and sometimes i bus it to meet them after work and have to walk through some rough parts, im not to worried about being jumped and the ka-bar is more a scare factor than anything else. I mean would you jump someone with a 8" ka-bar in plain sight on there belt or a guy with no weapons? think of it from the criminals point of view, you would jump the unarmed guy.
 
I would offer my girlfriend as a peace offering:p Just Kidding! O.K., let's see. Of all the different knives I have owned I would have to say a REKAT Pocket Hobbit. With a good growl:mad:, and a knife like this you should be able to make the assailant empty his bowls in no time. My second choice would have to be a Spydie Civilian. It's a no brainer to use that one. Just close your eyes and start slashing with it.
 
Originally posted by USAFSP
My second choice would have to be a Spydie Civilian. ... Just close your eyes and start slashing with it.
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And then explain to the nice DA why you used a knife that is specifically designed for cutting people, since it violates the warranty to use it for "everyday cutting tasks." That was one reason I chose not to get a Civvie/Matriarch...

-- PG
 
ParaGlock has a good point. I was about to buy a Benchmade AFCK, but was not real happy about the name "Combat Knife". Then I read a thread about the very similar TSEK. I forget now what the letters stand for, but it is a more utilitarian sounding name than that of the AFCK. Now I plan to get the TSEK with axis lock when it becomes available.

As for one2gofst's comments, certainly it is a hard decision to make when balancing off the need to fight crime with staying safe for the benefit of one's family. I wouldn't try to advise one on that. However, there is another problem which can be dealt with, which is the tendency of liberal authorities to go after people who act in self-defense. I say it is high time conservatives make it a big part of our political agenda to hold the "legal thugs" responsible for their actions. These people are should face arrest and trials on federal civil rights charges, for denying the human right of self-defense.
 
as i hand over my wallet with nothing of major value in it i grab te guys wrist, and do a quick pull spin into a neck lock that is followed by a leg sweep which has the result of boucing te guys skull off the pavemant and reagranging te vertebre in his neck and upper back. This is my opening fight move and it takes about 1 to 2 seconds and has yet to fail athough I rarely have followed thru full force as the other person gives up about 1/2 way thru.
 
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