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your favorite blade steel on using knives and why you like it?
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I could make a good arguement for almost any steel. I like carbon steels, 52100 being my favorite for a whole bunch of reasons. Especially in a full hard small blade.
But for a Herman tactical knife, some sort of stain resistant steel would seem to be required in order to balance the forces of impecabble design with the entropy of mass production.
420V would probably be a good choice. But D2 is really nice stuff, although maybe not quite as stain 'proof'. And BG-42 is a great steel choice for a using knife. Then again, talonite will never rust, and its use would make a great marketing strategy that could return large dividends and other financial renumerations.
I can see the ad copy now: Hermans Tactical Awesome Alloy-talonite Beautiful Separator (the Herman TAA BS knife). It takes a licking and keeps on cutting, even when dull.
Of course, knowing you Tim, you will do whatever you want regardless of the feelings of others, so I refuse to answer on the basis that it won't make any difference to you what I think.
Paracelsus, poor chooser
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But for a Herman tactical knife, some sort of stain resistant steel would seem to be required in order to balance the forces of impecabble design with the entropy of mass production.
420V would probably be a good choice. But D2 is really nice stuff, although maybe not quite as stain 'proof'. And BG-42 is a great steel choice for a using knife. Then again, talonite will never rust, and its use would make a great marketing strategy that could return large dividends and other financial renumerations.
I can see the ad copy now: Hermans Tactical Awesome Alloy-talonite Beautiful Separator (the Herman TAA BS knife). It takes a licking and keeps on cutting, even when dull.
Of course, knowing you Tim, you will do whatever you want regardless of the feelings of others, so I refuse to answer on the basis that it won't make any difference to you what I think.
Paracelsus, poor chooser
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Cryogenic my aching a$$. What the he!! is BG42?
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Max BG42 is one of the newer "in" stainless steels. It's in the same camp as 440V,420V,ETC, most of which the manufactures say that cryo is of limited value if the steel is not hardened above 1950. Next month or next year there will be a new one that's the "in" steel.
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as hard as it is to believe, i am totally serious here
i have been considering making a line of user folders under my irc nickname of nightfog knives and seriously want to know what you guys want in a using folder.
the blades and parts will be waterjet cut as i cant do all that myself on a bandsaw and keep the price within a range of most buyers of this type of knife. i will hand grind all the blades and fit everything together to my satisfaction. blades will be hand finished to 400 grit as i dont care for blasted parts and dont have a blasting setup. the handles will be slightly contoured also as flat dont thrill me much either.
i have ordered some bg42 and hace my ats34 always here and i still like d2. i figure with todays daimond sharpening tools d2 and tough steels like it no longer present that big of a resharpening problem.
the basic knives will have micarta or carbon fiber handles, and will be of the linerlock type. any options you want will most likely be available like damascus blades, added bolsters etc. handle materials will be pretty unlimited as well including pearls and woods,
why not do some upscale tacknives??
i havent fully decided to do this line of knives yet as i dont want to get into a lot of orders for them that they take too much time from my regular knives and would not really be satisfied to have other people help make them. maybe try to do like 25 or so a year. pricing for basic knife $450-$500. i would also like to know the interest in a line of knives like this from me, so catch your breath from disbelief and give me some honest opinions
no ridiculing
as unheard of as it is lol
i have been considering making a line of user folders under my irc nickname of nightfog knives and seriously want to know what you guys want in a using folder.
the blades and parts will be waterjet cut as i cant do all that myself on a bandsaw and keep the price within a range of most buyers of this type of knife. i will hand grind all the blades and fit everything together to my satisfaction. blades will be hand finished to 400 grit as i dont care for blasted parts and dont have a blasting setup. the handles will be slightly contoured also as flat dont thrill me much either.
i have ordered some bg42 and hace my ats34 always here and i still like d2. i figure with todays daimond sharpening tools d2 and tough steels like it no longer present that big of a resharpening problem.
the basic knives will have micarta or carbon fiber handles, and will be of the linerlock type. any options you want will most likely be available like damascus blades, added bolsters etc. handle materials will be pretty unlimited as well including pearls and woods,
i havent fully decided to do this line of knives yet as i dont want to get into a lot of orders for them that they take too much time from my regular knives and would not really be satisfied to have other people help make them. maybe try to do like 25 or so a year. pricing for basic knife $450-$500. i would also like to know the interest in a line of knives like this from me, so catch your breath from disbelief and give me some honest opinions
no ridiculing
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Alright, if you're actually serious, I'll just say that for folding knives, I prefer stainless steels, as there are often places within the knife which may not get quite the level of care that they should.
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You know what I'm gonna say, Tim.
D2 rocks! <--- look no further.
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D2 rocks! <--- look no further.
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Most steel calls I get from carpenters, plumbers, ranchers and mechanics is D-2. This bunch works heck out of them and are not realy a good cross section of buyers.
If you are after a general market then the BG42, 440V or 420V may be the best choices.
The highly talked up steels seem to market better.
If you are after a general market then the BG42, 440V or 420V may be the best choices.
The highly talked up steels seem to market better.
using knives for what? I really think you need to move on into the 21st century with CPM..... http://www.crucible.com/ 440V/420V/3V/10V.....they make the rest of that stuff look like aluminum!!!!!!!!!!
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52100 My choice.
There are a lot of people that do not take care of their knives, especially folding knives. For this you would need stainless or stain resisting steels.
A lot of the folks in my part of the country have a saying "If it won't rust, it won't cut". A patina on a using blade won't hurt a thing. The word using means that rust won't have time to accumulate on the blade and cause it to be hard to open. I also sharpen knives and a lot of them have the patina on them. Some don't have much blade left and the owners won't sell them. There isn't that many knive available with good high carbon blades. I have made some liner wedgelocks with the 52100 and they sold quickly. I am talking about a single blade for $150 to $200.
I am working on building a roll mill for the 52100 since I saw the one in Sept. issue of Blade. I started to try to buy one about 2 yrs ago and forgot about it. I didn't know it could be made. If I can economically produce the flat bar in precision ground stock sizes, I will let you know.
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There are a lot of people that do not take care of their knives, especially folding knives. For this you would need stainless or stain resisting steels.
A lot of the folks in my part of the country have a saying "If it won't rust, it won't cut". A patina on a using blade won't hurt a thing. The word using means that rust won't have time to accumulate on the blade and cause it to be hard to open. I also sharpen knives and a lot of them have the patina on them. Some don't have much blade left and the owners won't sell them. There isn't that many knive available with good high carbon blades. I have made some liner wedgelocks with the 52100 and they sold quickly. I am talking about a single blade for $150 to $200.
I am working on building a roll mill for the 52100 since I saw the one in Sept. issue of Blade. I started to try to buy one about 2 yrs ago and forgot about it. I didn't know it could be made. If I can economically produce the flat bar in precision ground stock sizes, I will let you know.
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Originally posted by HermanKnives:
pricing for basic knife $450-$500. i would also like to know the interest in a line of knives like this from me, ... give me some honest opinions
--Wait a minute... Did you say "basic knife... $450-$500?" Did I hear a "user" in there?
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yea wulf i said user! and $450-500
and they will be pretty damn good knives. too much for your budget? i am sorry, buy something else.
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I have a HELL of a lot of experience with cryogenically treated M-2, and you cannot beat its wear resistance. Granted, M-2 rusts if it is not taken care of properly. Any good steel will greatly benefit from cryo, as it reduces or eliminates the retained Austenite, making the steel tougher. It is realatively inexpensive to cryo small blades & tools in large batches (100+), at about $3 to $5 per unit. It is worth considering. I know I'd buy a knife that has been cryo'd, because I am familiar with the benefits.
Tim, why dont you just give the customer the option of which steel they want? It's not like you do the heat treat anyway, all you have to do is grind it, so I dont really see a problem with offering different steels. You dont have to carry every knife steel out there but just the popular steels. Another thing, at a price of 450 dollars don't you think you should give your customers the option of the steel they prefer?
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