Your life vs. laws...

Georgia

Got a permit for concealed carry. Glock 26 goes with me almost everywhere I go. Have a good pocket holster that keeps the butt up, disguises the outline and is required by Georgia law (holster, that is).

Never had to use it, but it is very comforting. I also do stay away from adverse situations, but am as ready as possible if those sitautions come looking for me.
 
Georgia

Got a permit for concealed carry. Glock 26 goes with me almost everywhere I go. Have a good pocket holster that keeps the butt up, disguises the outline and is required by Georgia law (holster, that is).

Never had to use it, but it is very comforting. I also do stay away from adverse situations, but am as ready as possible if those sitautions come looking for me.
 
Georgia

Got a permit for concealed carry. Glock 26 goes with me almost everywhere I go. Have a good pocket holster that keeps the butt up, disguises the outline and is required by Georgia law (holster, that is).

Never had to use it, but it is very comforting. I also do stay away from adverse situations, but am as ready as possible if those sitautions come looking for me.
 
Georgia

Got a permit for concealed carry. Glock 26 goes with me almost everywhere I go. Have a good pocket holster that keeps the butt up, disguises the outline and is required by Georgia law (holster, that is).

Never had to use it, but it is very comforting. I also do stay away from adverse situations, but am as ready as possible if those sitautions come looking for me.
 
Georgia

Got a permit for concealed carry. Glock 26 goes with me almost everywhere I go. Have a good pocket holster that keeps the butt up, disguises the outline and is required by Georgia law (holster, that is).

Never had to use it, but it is very comforting. I also do stay away from adverse situations, but am as ready as possible if those sitautions come looking for me.
 
Georgia

Got a permit for concealed carry. Glock 26 goes with me almost everywhere I go. Have a good pocket holster that keeps the butt up, disguises the outline and is required by Georgia law (holster, that is).

Never had to use it, but it is very comforting. I also do stay away from adverse situations, but am as ready as possible if those sitautions come looking for me.
 
Georgia

Got a permit for concealed carry. Glock 26 goes with me almost everywhere I go. Have a good pocket holster that keeps the butt up, disguises the outline and is required by Georgia law (holster, that is).

Never had to use it, but it is very comforting. I also do stay away from adverse situations, but am as ready as possible if those sitautions come looking for me.
 
Georgia

Got a permit for concealed carry. Glock 26 goes with me almost everywhere I go. Have a good pocket holster that keeps the butt up, disguises the outline and is required by Georgia law (holster, that is).

Never had to use it, but it is very comforting. I also do stay away from adverse situations, but am as ready as possible if those sitautions come looking for me.
 
Looks like Bill really wants to get his point accross :D

My thought is MOVE TO FLORIDA! You have to by law anyway when you retire so move her now, avoid the rush. Get a concealed weapons permit and carry whatever you like!
 
Dano, I think what Jason was referring to is a bill that, if passed, would outlaw the manufacture or sale of "hard plastic knuckles" in California.

"Hard plastic knuckles" has a broad definition, including: "The
plastic contained in the device may help support the hand or fist,
provide a shield to protect it, or consist of projections or studs
that would contact the individual receiving a blow." This sounds like it would include a plastic kubotan.

The bill is SB 1689. Here's a link, FYI:
http://info.sen.ca.gov/cgi-bin/postquery?bill_number=sb_1689&sess=CUR&house=B&site=sen

A metal kubotan would be included in the prohibition. Furthermore, the bill does not restrict possession or carry.

Jason, if you were thinking of another kubotan-related code section or bill, please chime in.

Johnny
 
Originally posted by medusaoblongata
You have to weigh the danger you incur by carrying versus the danger you incur by not carrying. Who are you more likely to be confronted by, BG's or LEO's?
Click to expand...

This is a key question. Many people think about the consequences of going up against the bad guys, but not against LEO. Let's spell it out: if you caught with an illegal weapon, you will end up in jail or prison. Now, your original reason for carrying the weapon was to keep yourself safe in case you run into a bad guy. Now that you're in prison, you are surrounded by nothing but bad guys, and chances are they have weapons and you don't. Did carrying that illegal fixed blade really keep you safer than carrying a Vaquero Grande folder? That is the consequence of making a poor choice here: your attempt to keep yourself safe has dumped you directly into the place where you are least safe.

That means that you really want to rigorously look at what can be carried legally in the area you're in. In the CA case, with a few exceptions, you can carry any size folder, or a big aluminum flashlight. Are these really such ineffective choices? Is carrying a fixed-blade or ASP baton worth the risks I outlined above?

You need to make the best choice for you on how to stay safe. But you need to be realistic about what those choices are, and the consequences of those choices.

Joe
 
I think that there are reasonable, legal defensive options for us Californians.

I personally keep a D-cell Maglight next to me in the car, OC spray, and always carry a folder that is strong enough to handle a defensive situation (My current fav is a Strider AR). Would I carry a handgun if I could get a cc permit? Absolutely, and I hate the fact that I can't carry one legally here (at home is another matter...), but jail is not something personally I'm prepared to face, but that choice is obviously left up to the individual, and the consequences of both carrying or not carrying a firearm.
 
Joe: WOW. Very well put! Thanks everyone for your replies so far. Bill: Do you have a stu-stu-stu-stu-stu-stu-ttering problem? :p ;) (KIDDING)!!! Lots of others have been having problems like that too...

Anyway, Joe raises a very good issue. However, I'd hate to be in a situation where a 9mm would save my butt, and I'm left with just a flashlight or folder. I'm clean-cut, well dressed, well-spoken, and have never been in any legal trouble. (Other than all my traffic tickets...:rolleyes: ) Furthermore, I have nothing but the utmost respect for peace officers, and treat them with the utmost respect and consideration. In turn, I have never recieved anything but that from them. I truly do not understand little punks who think mouthing off to "the pigs" will get them anywhere. Let's see here...yeah, I'm going to backtalk the guy with a gun on his hip, a shotgun in his car, and a radio to call more of his friends with guns! Great idea! :rolleyes:

I also do not live in an especially dangerous city, nor do I ever go near the seedy parts of my city. Unfortunately, bad people do visit the good parts of town. I just want to be prepared. I guess as long as I'm smart about it, I don't have anything to worry about. Obviously, use of a weapon is only as a last resort, and when I feel that my life is in imminent danger, and then I'll face the choir later. Like I said, run-ins with LEO's is much less likely for me than a run-in with some punk. Even when I do get stopped for speeding or whatever, I'm not the type a cop would search anyway.

Thanks guys!!!
drjones
 
12020 c7 - metal knuckles reads as though it would cover metal kubotans as well. I don't think most LEO's on the street will see a kubotan and realize that it fits the definition of "metal knuckles," but they might recognize it as a weapon and arrest because many of them don't like people carrying weapons. Then the DA could do the homework and find the PC section. The bill linked above will cover "plastic knuckles" as well. That's why I carry a koppo stick I made out of wood :)
 
I am a little confused about the ammendments to CA PC 12020 regarding plastic knuckles. Is the language about "supporting the fingers" supposed to include koppo sticks?

Hard plastic knuckles and metal knuckles are prohibited, but what about wood?

This is the most confusing aspect to 12020 I have run into yet. I could use some help if anyone is in the know.

Until then, most of my big EDC folders make great koppos.

Thanks!
 
My thoughts are (and I live in the land of sheeple) that if you're a person that fits the profile (for whatever reason) of someone who may be up to something then you had better obey the law to the "T". If you're a clean-cut professional that arrouses no suspicion then the choice is yours. Concealed carry means that no one will know except for you. I don't carry concealed firearms because I'd just be too nervous be'ins that I know (and the consequences of a slip-up are bad) and I'm a hardcore gun dude (at least in my own mind). As a matter of fact, my nickname in certain arenas is "Hardcore".
Now knives are another story. I'm giving up my firearms (except for in the home or on the range) so we need to compromise a little. I will not be defenseless and I will not have anyone tell me what knife I can and can't carry along. It just ain't happening. Never will. Not. No. Never. And None. I've been at the wrong end of deadly force twice in the civilian world and it wasn't fun or funny. The police lineup was pretty funny, though.
Well, those are my thoughts. Maybe they're wrong, but these are them.
By the way, George Washington carried illegally.
 
Correction to my previous post: I meant to say that a metal kubotan would *not* be included the hard plastic knuckles prohibition. However, I should correct that statement based on Jason's pointing out the prohibition in Penal Code Section 12020(a)(1) and (c)(7) prohibiting the possession of metal knuckles. I think a metal kubotan could definitely fall under this prohibition.

Steve, I think the part of the bill language that says the plastic could "consist of projections or studs that would contact the individual receiving a blow" would cover a kubotan. Also a Comtech Stinger for that matter.

The bill as written right now does not appear to ban the possession of plastic knuckles, just the manufacture and sale. This could change, however, as the bill goes through the legislative process.

As far as a wood kubotan, are you sure that's not a apecial hardwood shiatsu massager? :cool:

Johnny
 
From the language, it just seems that the authors have brass (metal) knuckles and hard plastic knuckles (stingers) in mind, and don't really even know what a kubotan or a koppo stick are. It is really hard to tell what is currently illegal, other than metal or hard plastic knuckles, and what prohits carry of plastic knuckles to go along with the prohibition against manufacture and sale.
 
So don't carry a kubotan. Carry a mini Maglight or a Batonlight or an Inova X5 or a Surefire E2. Works the same and lights your way in the dark, too.

Don't waste your money on ace bandages just to justify carrying a cane. Canes are legal. They're legal for old cripples like me. They're legal for young guys whose ankles are still sore from an invisible injury. They're legal as a fashion accesory, practicing to take your wife to the opera.

Carry a cane and beat the BG to a bloody pulp. It's legal. F them if they can't take a joke.
 
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