Your sharpest...???

eKretz said:
Unless you edited your post and had something worse earlier, I don't see a problem with what you said. I also agree with the guys who are doubting a TP push cut. I have seen plenty of videos of guys saying they are push cutting TP and without fail the vids always show someone cutting TP with a slicing motion, not push cutting. I believe their doubt is well placed, but if you post a video to prove us all wrong I will happily eat my words. That said, I believe the modified saying goes something like "Video or it didn't happen," lol. :D
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No edit. Thanks. :)
 
Congrats on your personal version of success. As you see, you have entered the realm of silliness where people actually demand proof of claims.

The bottom line (to me) is "develop your skills and enjoy them".

As someone who has a bit of experience sharpening and honing professionally, I'll suggest that focusing on your own personal satisfaction might be your best route unless you plan to offer services to others...then get ready for ALL SORTS of interesting opinions;)
 
It's fine. When in the public realm you're open to anything.

I have only been sharpening for a few years. I've gone from not being able to cut printer paper, to push cutting phone book paper, to slicing tp, to push cutting tp.

I'm by no means an expert, just a regular guy working on my skills and making strides. Just thought I'd share and try to get a thread going. Thx to all.
 
I say if you're going to just enjoy sharpening, keep it at that, but if you're going to make a benchmark claim, provide evidence for your claim.

My sharpest can barely slice through soft toilet paper one handed. Konosuke suji.
 
I don't get it?

This thread was never intended to be boastful or a stick in anyone's eye.

I accomplished something I was excited and thought that fellow knife guys would be interested.

I know what a push cut is and I know what toilet paper is.

What I can't figure out is why people would ask for evidence. If you don't belive me that's OK with me. The reason is that I could care less what some guy on a forum behind a keyboard thinks of me or my claims. I don't owe anyone anything.

If you don't belive me or reject my claim that's fine.

Go back to your science classes.
 
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Mainly because no one has ever shown a true TP push cut video that we have seen. Search YouTube yourself, you won't find a true TP pushcut I'd bet. You're the one who made the claim, someone asking you to post a video shouldn't cause you to get defensive the way you are if you can actually back up the claim. Nobody attacked you in any way, merely asked for evidence. Your indignation makes me think maybe you can't back it up and just made a claim that you can't reproduce. As I said previously, I would be happy to be proven wrong, feel free to post the video.
 
I'm not defensive, it's cool.

Like I said before, you guys don't have to believe me. I don't care nearly enough to take the time to post a video.

Lets say for the sake of further bickering, you are right.

I did not push cut tp.

See you guys around.
 
Well it would be nice to see a well sharpened blade push cut TP, I mean that is like knife porn. Why couldn't you to out of your way to make a fellow knife hobbyist happy?
 
DREW78 said:
It's fine. When in the public realm you're open to anything.

I have only been sharpening for a few years. I've gone from not being able to cut printer paper, to push cutting phone book paper, to slicing tp, to push cutting tp.

I'm by no means an expert, just a regular guy working on my skills and making strides. Just thought I'd share and try to get a thread going. Thx to all.
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Drew, I am sorry if you feel attacked. But you must understand as a "certified knife nut" the claim you have just made. While I have not yet gotten my certification I am working on it.

Now, seriously, if you are able to push cut toilet paper that is held from a single side(heck, even held from two would impress me) my mind would be blown. I also will humble myself and give a most self-deprecating "you were right" and be your new fan and, if you'd allow, protege. It would be a momentous occasion for many in this knife community to see, as I never have. Along with that, those who doubted you would be forced to eat sour grapes. So, as a knife nut, why would you deprive your community and fellows from such enrichment because you don't want to post a video?...Please, I beg of you, post a video!
 
eKretz said:
Unless you edited your post and had something worse earlier, I don't see a problem with what you said. I also agree with the guys who are doubting a TP push cut. I have seen plenty of videos of guys saying they are push cutting TP and without fail the vids always show someone cutting TP with a slicing motion, not push cutting. I believe their doubt is well placed, but if you post a video to prove us all wrong I will happily eat my words. That said, I believe the modified saying goes something like "Video or it didn't happen," lol. :D
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My best will "push cut" TP, but with what I call a 'shearing cut'. Basically with the edge at about 45* to the plane the TP is on, it will cut with the TP making contact in the same spot on the blade. Part of this action undoubtedly involves a very small static draw as it goes, but does not involve a deliberate draw that takes any edge play. I also cannot start free-hanging, I have to stab the TP and go from there, or hold it either side. With the blade at 90* to the TP it has to be supported on either side of the cut - not really a push cut. I could make the video, but again, is not a true push cut like can be done with light paper.

A lot of this comes down to the TP, the cheap single ply stuff I am provided with at work is thinner than gauze and offers so little resistance I cannot imagine any edge cutting it as held like a sheet of paper. It would have to be sprayed with laundry starch first.
 
HeavyHanded said:
My best will "push cut" TP, but with what I call a 'shearing cut'. Basically with the edge at about 45* to the plane the TP is on, it will cut with the TP making contact in the same spot on the blade. Part of this action undoubtedly involves a very small static draw as it goes, but does not involve a deliberate draw that takes any edge play. I also cannot start free-hanging, I have to stab the TP and go from there, or hold it either side. With the blade at 90* to the TP it has to be supported on either side of the cut - not really a push cut. I could make the video, but again, is not a true push cut like can be done with light paper.

A lot of this comes down to the TP, the cheap single ply stuff I am provided with at work is thinner than gauze and offers so little resistance I cannot imagine any edge cutting it as held like a sheet of paper. It would have to be sprayed with laundry starch first.
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Here's an example of someone who hasn't provided a video, but who's discussion and analysis of the subject shows great understanding and experience.
 
HeavyHanded said:
My best will "push cut" TP, but with what I call a 'shearing cut'. Basically with the edge at about 45* to the plane the TP is on, it will cut with the TP making contact in the same spot on the blade. Part of this action undoubtedly involves a very small static draw as it goes, but does not involve a deliberate draw that takes any edge play. I also cannot start free-hanging, I have to stab the TP and go from there, or hold it either side. With the blade at 90* to the TP it has to be supported on either side of the cut - not really a push cut. I could make the video, but again, is not a true push cut like can be done with light paper.

A lot of this comes down to the TP, the cheap single ply stuff I am provided with at work is thinner than gauze and offers so little resistance I cannot imagine any edge cutting it as held like a sheet of paper. It would have to be sprayed with laundry starch first.
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This it what I am talking about. HH has it nailed.

A couple of things. First off, I apologize for not being able to put much time and effort into my replies, or for that matter, my initial post.

My days are FULL of a variety of tasks that prohibit me from sitting down and putting together more detailed posts. This is truly the reason I haven't done pics or a video yet.

My *version* of a push cut is to take some TP, hold it taught, stab the blade through the TP and than "push" it all the way through the tp. Cuts are usually about 4" long or so. Clean, no tearing, no drawing of the blade to slice, just pushing. The blade, as HH mentioned, is at about a 45deg angle.

I am not cutting free hanging material here. I can though, slice it if I swing at free hanging tp, I know, this is not the same thing.

So, my apologies to all for any miscommunication or unintended misrepresentation. This is the first time ive been at my desktop since I posted, everything else has been on my phone which, while convenient, is not nearly as easy as typing at a keyboard IMO and leaves my posts lacking....

Drew
 
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When the TP cutting craze was popular a while back it was strange to me that only one type of TP was being used. I tested different types of TP and found that the type of TP made all the difference. So, if you know anything about testing you will quickly understand that this is a inconsistency that was not fully brought to light because it show a rather large flaw in the testing procedure.

It's the difference between cutting printer paper and news print. Charming toilet paper is thicker (like printer paper) and compared to all other toilet paper (which is like news print) is much thicker and cuts fairly easily even with coarse edges. Try this with about any other TP and you will have poor results.

Cutting TP is a parlor trick, only repeatable by those who understand it and a amazement to those that don't.
 
I normally get to a rough shave; though one time I spent 3 hours and was able to get a clean shave. Just that one time.
 
Sharpest two knives I own are my ka bar mule and my cold steel kobun. The fact they are fine grained aus 8a and both hollow ground edges, one being a 15° edge angle, probably makes them that way. Floats through paper like butter. Never could cut tp. Won't stand up straight lol.
 
If you're doing it like this, it's pretty common and not an extraordinary achievement for knife nuts...

[video=youtube;ta7H-IainDE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta7H-IainDE&list=UUemCv9Cb0ihg8flgeP8IZFA&index=35[/video]
 
Although I agree with JasonB for the most part regarding the TP slice, it does give some comparative measure of sharpness when checking the same edge on same knife - I.E. it may not cut well after a few minutes of sharpening as the bevel is not perfect/perfectly refined, but once it's dialed in just right there will be an improvement at least. And it does need to be dialed in pretty good even to cut T.P. at an angle.

The pushcut at an angle still introduces some slicing action, as the force vector on the TP changes. A true push cut would be with the cutting edge perpendicular to the plane of the T.P. And that is what I have never once seen anyone do.
 
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