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Id rather see bearings and flippers. Plus flippers have always been what zt was about. Every folder they started the company with had a flipper. And i would take bearings over speed safe any day.
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Id rather see bearings and flippers. Plus flippers have always been what zt was about. Every folder they started the company with had a flipper. And i would take bearings over speed safe any day.
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Well, no.
The ZT 0551 and 0550 did not have flippers, and they were great knives.
0551 was the first ZT I ever had.
I will say that ZT is the first company I have encountered flippers on that I actually like though.
They do them right.
For myself, I see in their current offerings some knives that I really want, and some that I don't, much like any company that makes a range of products rather than just one or two offerings.
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Well, no.
The ZT 0551 and 0550 did not have flippers, and they were great knives.
0551 was the first ZT I ever had.
I will say that ZT is the first company I have encountered flippers on that I actually like though.
They do them right.
For myself, I see in their current offerings some knives that I really want, and some that I don't, much like any company that makes a range of products rather than just one or two offerings.
The 0550/551 were not part of their original lineup.
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Almost though.
I guess if you just count the 0300 and 0200, then sure, they were flippers.
But it was really about the time of the 0551 that people seemed to hear much about them, from what I remember.
Or at least that's when I first noticed them much, so I'm going to say that's the timing which counts.
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Well, no.
The ZT 0551 and 0550 did not have flippers, and they were great knives.
0551 was the first ZT I ever had.
I will say that ZT is the first company I have encountered flippers on that I actually like though.
They do them right.
For myself, I see in their current offerings some knives that I really want, and some that I don't, much like any company that makes a range of products rather than just one or two offerings.
I said every folder they "started" the company with. The 0550 was not around when they started the company. The first knives they made were the 0200 (flipper manual), 0300 series (speed safe flipper in all variants) and the 0400 scavenger (another speed safe flipper).
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I think the first ZT manual (not SpeedSafe) flipper with KVT bearings was the 0560 series. Before that the 0300 and 0400 series SpeedSafe Assisted Opening and the 0200 series manual flipper had washers.
From Thomas Welk, Zero Tolerance Director of Sales & Marketing, in the recent Recoil Off Grid interview:
From Thomas Welk, Zero Tolerance Director of Sales & Marketing, in the recent Recoil Off Grid interview:
"When we came out with the Rick Hinderer 0560, that was an Internet phenomenon, and there was more hype on that knife than ever. At the same time, trying to create a manual flipper on bearings which wed never done before and trying to get it to function properly and live up to the hype was
(exhales) wow. There were so many highs and lows that went on with that project, it was crazy. As it sits here today, it has been discontinued, but that was a platform knife that we cut our teeth on. The knives that we create today in that same genre are brilliant compared to it. That one was really the launching pad for all the manual flippers that we produce today."
Same here but put a choil on it, and a 562 mini with a choil as well would be great.
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I dont think anyone was debating when kvt came out. The only reason i said i would take bearings over speedsafe any day is because thats how i feel and that is really the main thing that changed since the start. Bearings got introduced and kvt became the premium appointment. But flippers and manual flippers were from the start.
Well, much like the universe, they didn't really exist till I noticed them.
Well played.
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That would be nice. I've had them in Elmax and in M390 and sold both. Too short in the grip for my hand...
Bearings are toys mate, it doesn't matter how much people love them or how smooth they are, or how they drop freely and almost chop your fingers off when closing - they are a downgrade in structural integrity (fact) All from a company that marketed themselves as producing hard working knives. I'm not saying bearings are so weak they'll break and fall to bits, but they are a downgrade none the less, all for the amusement of the couch collector who flips his knives non stop all day. Also just to be able to say "we use bearings" like all the other flashy flippery man jewelry being produced these days. I'll never buy a single knife with bearings ever again after owning and actually using/maintaining a bunch of them. A large, polished stable bronze washer can be just as smooth as bearings, without the weakness. People like to put Chris Reeve up there as the best structurally (although Cold Steels are far stronger overall) and they are right, neither of them have fallen for the toy bearing knife fad yet and i hope they never do. I agree with you about speed safe, that junk just belongs in the bin
Damn, I didn't know they discontinued the 801. I waited to pull the trigger too long...
Also I wouldn't mind more thumbstud washer designs. Bearing flippers are nice, but I get self conscious sometimes in public since they look and sound so "dangerous" and loud
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Also I wouldn't mind more thumbstud washer designs. Bearing flippers are nice, but I get self conscious sometimes in public since they look and sound so "dangerous" and loud
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Now would be the time to get a 801. About everybody has them on closeout prices right now, it will be the cheapest you'll get one new.
And good calls on the sng and balisong suggestions. Im sure both would do well for zt. Surprised they dont have an otf yet either.
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Can ZT make something without a flipper
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They have in the past. For example, 0550, 0551, 0620, 0620CF, 0630, 0630CF.
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This would be an instant success for ZT. Even add a CC model, damn!!! With a price point near $280 or $300. I would scoop that up.
But I wonder if the Strider flock would consider it a "sell-out" by Mick...