The size used in the pic is the .150", the smallest ones. Something sitting around .200" is what is closest to the typical torx used. At .250", the length might be too much in common size, although it would likely still work for the clip, but any would work for the clip even the smallest one.. below .250" that is.
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ZT 0450 pocket clip play
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BD_01
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Hey, just for my update too: since I hit the under surface my clip with LokTite back in April (post #34) it’s holding fine (albeit it’s only seen intermittent carry).
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Hi, I went to Blade HQ to check out the MXG deep carry titanium clip and they're out of stock. I guess I shouldn't be surprised considering how many folks posted on this thread.
The blue anodized version is available but I think the knife would look kind of weird with red spacers and a blue clip.
Any other suggestions from fellow 0450 owners? I don't want to rely on loctite as the permanent solution. How about a clip from another ZT knife that could be obtained from customer service?
Thanks
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go to the bay and buy one from MXG, he has them in stock. I literally have spent probably close to $500 on his stuff, top notch.
I've had my 0450cf for two months or so and after using it (somewhat regularly) I have no issues with the clip. As a matter of fact it's almost welded on, it's so tight. However, I am planning on getting a deep carry black MXG clip at some point (need one also for my PM2 and Para 3). There's $75 ($500 CAN
) I will need to spend.
) I will need to spend.Thanks, I just did and sent a message to the seller about this thread because he'll probably need to start cranking out more.
Hilarious. Is this speculation or did you overhear the actual conversation lol
Update: yesterday afternoon I had a lengthy conversation with a ZT CS rep who was nice enough to indulge me and listen to the whole story, view this thread on his desktop while talking to me, and he even sent me a follow-up email later in the day. Very nice guy.
Unfortunately ZT has no plans to change the size of the clip's screw holes.
"From what I was shown physically and told, there would be no change to the holes. All the knives do leave with blue Loctite and (I) was told if the seal is broken from tightening or loosening screws that a little drop of Loctite would need to be reapplied." (direct quote)
So they consider blue loctite to be the solution to this issue. I don't want to rely on Loctite as the permanent solution.
I thanked him for listening and asked him to follow this thread.
I ordered both a deep carry and a standard length clip from MXG since the ZT 0450 is my favorite knife. I'll report back on how they work when they arrive and whether I keep one or both of them. They're expected to arrive March 10th.
Unfortunately ZT has no plans to change the size of the clip's screw holes.
"From what I was shown physically and told, there would be no change to the holes. All the knives do leave with blue Loctite and (I) was told if the seal is broken from tightening or loosening screws that a little drop of Loctite would need to be reapplied." (direct quote)
So they consider blue loctite to be the solution to this issue. I don't want to rely on Loctite as the permanent solution.
I thanked him for listening and asked him to follow this thread.
I ordered both a deep carry and a standard length clip from MXG since the ZT 0450 is my favorite knife. I'll report back on how they work when they arrive and whether I keep one or both of them. They're expected to arrive March 10th.
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I’m not trying to be an a$$ or discount your opinion, so consider this FWIW.
I recently did a home trigger job on my CZ-75 pistol. This involved installation of a custom disconnector. The OE disco pin is staked into the hammer and the replacement has to be likewise permanently fixed or it can migrate and lock-up the gun.
I was incredulous when the custom shop said a judicious quantity of (red) LockTite would do the job—but they were 100% right and I’d have zero hesitancy about the integrity of the mod in a worst case scenario.
I know we’re talking oranges & tangellos here, but it explains why I’m personally ok with what you were told by ZT. (That, and my blue LockTite afixxed clip is holding strong.)
I’ll also admit that some of the MXG stuff looks really awesome!
I recently did a home trigger job on my CZ-75 pistol. This involved installation of a custom disconnector. The OE disco pin is staked into the hammer and the replacement has to be likewise permanently fixed or it can migrate and lock-up the gun.
I was incredulous when the custom shop said a judicious quantity of (red) LockTite would do the job—but they were 100% right and I’d have zero hesitancy about the integrity of the mod in a worst case scenario.
I know we’re talking oranges & tangellos here, but it explains why I’m personally ok with what you were told by ZT. (That, and my blue LockTite afixxed clip is holding strong.)
I’ll also admit that some of the MXG stuff looks really awesome!
I’m not trying to be an a$$ or discount your opinion, so consider this FWIW.
I recently did a home trigger job on my CZ-75 pistol. This involved installation of a custom disconnector. The OE disco pin is staked into the hammer and the replacement has to be likewise permanently fixed or it can migrate and lock-up the gun.
I was incredulous when the custom shop said a judicious quantity of (red) LockTite would do the job—but they were 100% right and I’d have zero hesitancy about the integrity of the mod in a worst case scenario.
I know we’re talking oranges & tangellos here, but it explains why I’m personally ok with what you were told by ZT. (That, and my blue LockTite afixxed clip is holding strong.)
I’ll also admit that some of the MXG stuff looks really awesome!
Well, this is by all accounts an outstanding knife...except for the clip. It sells for over $150 while there are many knives that cost a lot less that manage to have clips that have properly sized screw holes and won't wobble so to interfere with proper function.
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Here's something else that I'm not happy about: The clip moving back and forth in its travel over the frame and lockbar has dug a scratch into the frame where the clip makes contact. Now yes we all know that the only way to prevent a knife from getting scratches is to never use it and that scratches add character and this knife was never intended to be a safe queen... but this scratch happened as a direct consequence of the pocket clip's known design flaw and that wasn't my fault IMO.
On Saturday, depending on the storm, I should be receiving two pocket clips from MXG, a deep carry and a standard length version. By all accounts on this thread, these MXG clips should have properly sized screw holes. I suspect that the deep carry clip won't extend far enough down the frame to cover up and conceal the scratch, but that the standard one probably will based on the pictures on the website. If so that would be fine with me because I don't care about scratches that can't be seen.
Does anyone know how to buff out a scratch on stonewashed titanium? I don't want to try anything for fear of making it worse.
Ultimately this cosmetic issue will in no way affect the function of the knife but I'm ticked off because it wasn't my fault.
On Saturday, depending on the storm, I should be receiving two pocket clips from MXG, a deep carry and a standard length version. By all accounts on this thread, these MXG clips should have properly sized screw holes. I suspect that the deep carry clip won't extend far enough down the frame to cover up and conceal the scratch, but that the standard one probably will based on the pictures on the website. If so that would be fine with me because I don't care about scratches that can't be seen.
Does anyone know how to buff out a scratch on stonewashed titanium? I don't want to try anything for fear of making it worse.
Ultimately this cosmetic issue will in no way affect the function of the knife but I'm ticked off because it wasn't my fault.
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I have the MXG deep carry clip on my 0450 and it was coming loose which I remedied with loctite. The MXG deep carry clip also rests on the lock bar rather than the frame like the stock clip. It doesn't seem to affect the action so I don't mind. I have the stock clip on my 0450cf and it hasn't come loose on me.
Update: I've had the opportunity to try both the MXG titanium clips, deep carry and standard. Both of them experience clip wobble/wiggle just like the stock clip (even with the torx screws tightly fastened) unless Loc Tite is used. So I gave up and used blue Loc Tite.
My preference is for the MXG standard length clip. It maintains the thin profile of the ZT 0450 which IMO is one of its most desirable features. Both the MXG clips are well made titanium clips with exactly the same shade and finish as the knife handle, unlike the stock clip which is reported to be stainless steel rather than titanium and has a different shade and finish.
My preference is for the MXG standard length clip. It maintains the thin profile of the ZT 0450 which IMO is one of its most desirable features. Both the MXG clips are well made titanium clips with exactly the same shade and finish as the knife handle, unlike the stock clip which is reported to be stainless steel rather than titanium and has a different shade and finish.
It indeed is a design flaw, however minimal. Simplest solution is to replace the standard button/pan head torx with either flat or socket head torx. The flat heads have a wedged bottom to make up for the larger clip holes. Socket heads can tightened with better strength, less prone to stripping, plus they look cool.
I too prefer the standard clip on the 450 over the deep pocket which just looks really odd just hanging out there.
The clip doesn't move, can't be pushed, in case you are wondering.
Hi, a question or two about the bottom photo:
What did you use to get rid of the ZT logo on the clip?
I can see what looks like the scratch mark on the lockbar from the clip sliding over it. My knife has the same scratch mark...
Also it looks like you positioned the clip way over on the frame side and away from the lockbar rather than 50:50 or even 60:40. Does this improve the action?
Thanks
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The clip on my ZT450 is still holding strong and hasn't budged. It works. Changing clip screws works.
To remove the ZT logo, just buff (sand) using a high grit, something over 1000. The higher grit, the more fine it is. So fine, the sanded surface becomes smooth rather than rough, ultimately smooth enough to see your own reflection.
For scratches and marks on metal, begin with a more coarse grit such as 80 to a 600 to penetrate mark and obscure it, then move up to a finer grit to smoothen the surface until it's fine again.
Action on the 450 is significantly improved just by having less failure in draw making it a more reliable tool and more confidence in its shape. It is how you know it is.
Still probably ZT's best knife, IMO. Enjoy.
The clip on my ZT450 is still holding strong and hasn't budged. It works. Changing clip screws works.
To remove the ZT logo, just buff (sand) using a high grit, something over 1000. The higher grit, the more fine it is. So fine, the sanded surface becomes smooth rather than rough, ultimately smooth enough to see your own reflection.
For scratches and marks on metal, begin with a more coarse grit such as 80 to a 600 to penetrate mark and obscure it, then move up to a finer grit to smoothen the surface until it's fine again.
Action on the 450 is significantly improved just by having less failure in draw making it a more reliable tool and more confidence in its shape. It is how you know it is.
Still probably ZT's best knife, IMO. Enjoy.
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10 days late... but I'm surprised nobody offered this advice.
Buy blue spacers to match the blue clip