ZT 0561-- Thumbstud issue

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Well between the two I have played with [a friend and mine], his [earlier run] is a little tougher on the fingers, but it still flips out via the thumb stud; just a more difficult vs mine I guess. Mine has no problem at all. As others have said try adjusting where your holding the knife/how your holding it. I don't really think about it, but after you were talking about I paid a bit of attention [not sure if this will help in this case, but you could always try adjusting the pivot too, which it probably won't lol].

[bear with me] When I use the flipper, most of the time I am in no hurry to quickly open the knife, so I comfortably hold it by placing the middle of my index finger across the flipper [it is also how I push it down + it doesn't hurt your fingers from scraping etc]. And the other 3 fingers lightly rest towards the bottom of the locking side. Such that the middle finger is over the lock stabilizer, and the other 2 below it. This is very similar to how I hold it when using the thumbstud. Its just the index finger is not on the flipper, but barely resting [sometimes even free floating above the lockbar] on the handle. Hopefully this pic illustrates it [it is a picture of the above hold, not when I'm ready to use the thumbstud, its the quickest pic I had at the ready]

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Basically when I am opening with the thumbstud, it is similar to the above pics, except, yes the index finger does rest towards the top of the lock bar, but it is just barely touching it. I am keeping the 560 in place with light pressure from my palm at the bottom of the handle, as well as pressing the most of my pinky, much less with next digit and middle finger. [Think of it like a pressure gradient from the pinky upwards if it helps]

The thumbstuds are actually quite easy/comfy for me to use. Pictures of you using it would help facilitate any extra info. It is difficult to see this as being something that is serviceable via warranty. As it was said it really has been beaten around a lot, so much so ZT bent over for us to make the detent lighter lol.

Thanks chester for the quote :p
 
My 0561 came in the mail last night so lots of flicking every way I could think of. First I would like to say this is a GREAT knife for the money . You do get ALOT of knife for your money. As for the thumb stud, I have no problem at all opening the knife with the thumb studs left or right handed.I hope the OP works it out ,It is a great knife. If you can't work it out trade your 0561 for a 0550 .
 
I just received my 0561 yesterday and had the same problem-

I couldn't budge it using the thumbstud, and I consider myself a flippin' pro or stud (bad pun's intended:cool:) to the point where I was killing my thumb determined to get the darn thing to fly open, and it was also slightly off center and tough to disengage the frame lock...

...simple fix! I fixed it by loosening all the screws (except one that wouldn't move) including the pivot, working the blade twords the side that was off center, oiling with some Wilson Combat Ultima-Lube, and screwing back together until snug.

Not only can I flip it easily but its perfectly centered now to my surprise. Still sticks a bit when disengaging but I penciled it and it seems to be getting much smoother,...or I'm just getting better with it. Great knife.

-Joe
 
I can use mine as a thumbstud. Once you push it passed the ball detent it flies out. :)

Serial# 1305.

Thumbstud, flipper, thumbstud opens...
[video=youtube;ZMae2DdBu2Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMae2DdBu2Q&feature=youtu.be[/video]
 
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Well it bugs the crap out of me, its getting sold
Sorry to hear that, but it's not for everyone. I can assure you there is nothing wrong with the knife. It sounds more like user error than anything mechanical. Anyway, hope you find something you do like and are comfortable with.
The thumb stud is just a blade stop pin it's a flipper for a reason.

IT'S NOT A THUMBSTUD! It's a blade stop. The knife is meant to be opened with the flipper only.
I can open mine with either. No, they aren't just blade stops. Look at the knife that inspired it (XM-18), it comes in a flipperless version and it is basically the same design, and has the same style thumbstuds. ;)
 
De-lurking... I moved the pocket clip to the pivot end. It acts as a rest for my fingertips - keeps my fingers off the lockbar. Removing finger pressure from the lock made it easier to open by flipper or stud. Doesn't hurt to try it.
 
there is absolutely no way i can open mine with the thumbstuds. the detent is a little stiff when using the flipper, even after thousands of openings, but the thumbstuds are just impossible to use. since i also own a 0550, i know how to keep pressure off the lockbar and which angle works best for ZT thumbstuds, but i still can't use them at all on my 0560. in fact, even using both hands on the studs, i can barely open it.


that being said, it was meant to be a flipper, and i have no problem using it that way. :thumbup:
 
I have owned 2 and both could be opened with the thumbstud although the one I have now has a stronger detent. I find the flipper wants to get in the way hitting my finger.

I love flippers and use the flipper on my knives that have it, never deploying with the thumbstuds. I takes such a less precise grip which allows for a quicker blade opening access.

Do many of you use thumbstuds on your flipper knives?
 
I have owned 2 and both could be opened with the thumbstud although the one I have now has a stronger detent. I find the flipper wants to get in the way hitting my finger.

I love flippers and use the flipper on my knives that have it, never deploying with the thumbstuds. I takes such a less precise grip which allows for a quicker blade opening access.

Do many of you use thumbstuds on your flipper knives?

Although I can open it with my thumbstud, 99% of the time its with the flipper.
 
^Good less people to fight over for the Composite one hahaha.. ok back on topic..

As Thomas W. Said...

By utilizing the studs as the blade stop, we’re enticing folks to use the studs as a way of opening the knife. The set up (heavy detent) can make the studs difficult if not impossible (for some) to deploy the blade. Inexperience hands will additionally perplex the situation. In retrospect, we should have left the studs off, done up an internal stop pin, and made the 0560 a no doubt flipper…our bad on that one. For those of you that can utilize both the flipper and the studs effectively…we’re happy you’ve found that balance. From a production build perspective it is near impossible for us to repeatedly dial in a 0560 that balances a perfect detent set up to accommodate for both flipping and thumb stud deployment.


I for one love my 0560, Its a great knife and once you man up and use it, flip it a bunch, it just gets better and better..

Like mine too ... IMO just a little too big for my EDC. My first flipper and we are still learning to "dance" together ... gonna give her a little time to get use me ;) ... really like the look and feel of 3D sculpted scales...the fit and finish on this knife (as on all KAI knives) is fantastic. Wish KAI would make a 3D sculpted scaled version of the 0550.
 
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Get a life

Give the 300 a shot. Even though the studs rest right up against the scales, I can still use them to open it. It is more fun with the flipper, though. Or, if you prefer the Hinderer blade shape, try the 550.
 
I love the 0560. I think the ergonomics are just fantastic. All folders should have a flipper. Not only is it useful for deploying the blade, but it's an extra safety feature. Just plain fantastic.

Does anyone know if the frame lock is carbidized? I didn't get an answer on that.
 
^I am pretty sure it is.. I saw it in a thread some where.. RC was 65 or something like that
 
well, after playing with my knife, it whips out with authority using either thumb stud. Sounds to me like it's user error. Make sure you're holding the edge of the knife and not putting pressure on the frame lock.
 
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