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ZT 0566 or Spyderco PM2

Definitely a personal call but as an owner of both Spyderco and ZT models I'd give the nod to the PM2 between those two. To be clear I don't have experience with the 0566, but I do have several other ZTs such as the 0550 and 0560. I do own a PM2, and once I picked it up I understood the well deserved hype. I'm sure you'll be happy with either and I'm also sure at some point you'll probably own both. With that in mind buy the one that you are more interested in to start with and go from there. Let us know what you end up with.
 
I had the 0566 and it was a b*tch to open and manipulate. Sold it and bought a Southard. I still have a para 2 by the way. Much lighter and handier knife. If I had a real need for a larger, heavier more robust knife I would definitely consider the ZT. But, they're just a lot more knife than I will ever need.


I don't have any spyderco knives so I'm not much help, but I do own a 556. I quoted this post because my 556 was also very hard to open and manipulate when I first got it. It hurt my finger to flip it open and couldn't disengage the lockbar without using both hands (one to hold the knife, one to disengage the lockbar). Seeing as how it had great reviews and was my first SS framelock, I deassisted it and gave it some break in time. It took a couple weeks for the knife to really break in and probably for me to learn where to hold it, but I can now flip open and close the knife very easily with either hand. It really is a great knife. Obviously I don't know how long gpo1956 had his or carried it, just wanted to share my experience with a similar issue.
 
0550 for around $160 from Kershawguy...best bang for your buck imho. PM2 would be great as well, I am not to impressed with the 0566. Get an 0560/0561 if you're looking for that style of blade, closer feel to the XM series for around $200 from some vendors if you look.
 
I own a ZT0566 and used to own a Para2 but sold it.(only because i was offered more than i paid for it). It really is a personnel choice, you cant go wrong with either. The Para2 is lighter but IMO the 566 is nicer in the pocket and in the hand. the 566 is definitely the tougher knife and locks up like a safe ehile the 3 paras ive handled have all had minimal side to side play. If youve never owned a knife from either company my vote goes to buying the ZT. I think ZT generally wins with consistent quality and fit and finish. I personally had to return my first Para 2 as it had problems with the compression lock. The Para2 and the 0566 are the 2 most expensive knives i own and while i like em both the ZT is much more impressive. I left mine assisted, It really is a b***h to open and close at first but after a week or so of breaking in its perfect.
 
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I like the 0566 over the PM2.
The PM2 is a great knife but for me the 0566 is the preferred knife in many ways.
Better steel, better fit and finish, and more lefty friendly than the PM2.
I do feel though that the 0566 is a much better now that the AO is taken out.

For almost even money I feel the 0566 is the winner here.
How much would a PM2 in Elmax cost?
 
I would be much more enthusiastic about the 0566 if the lock were titanium instead of steel. The lighter weight of the Para 2 and the superior locking mechanism give it the nod for me, although the Elmax of the ZT and the overall ergonomics make it certainly worthy of consideration.

Clearly the only answer is to get both, but as a guy with several Para 2's I don't see myself ever getting the ZT unless they make it in Ti.
 
Warning: Rant Incoming! :D

The Para2 is an amazing knife... one of the coolest knives around actually... except for one thing. The QC on them is pretty sketchy. I've owned 7 (don't own one now, but will again eventually I know) and of those 7 only 2 were well built knives. The other 5 had significant significant (unacceptable) blade play issues that either couldn't be adjusted out (ie, you could tighten the pivot all the way down as tight as it would go and the blade play still existed) or if you could tighten it out the free swinging action that is the hallmark of the Para2 was ruined (BTW, I know all about the pivot bearing system, but irrespective if it, some Para2s can be tightened completely down and still have free action and some can be tightened down so tight that you can immobilize the blade... Spyderco's pivot bushing system is no where near the quality and/or functionality of Chris Reeve's).

I am probably way pickier than most Para2 owners and many may disagree with me and think their knives are well built, but as I said, I've personally owned 7 and handled enough others that weren't mine to see the trend of sketchy QC when it comes to consistency in build quality. It's really a shame because the Para2 is probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite knife of all time, but I don't own one because I can't find one that's built well enough to justify the $100+ price tag. It's very frustrating and frankly Spyderco can (and should) do better. The first 2 Para2s I ever bought were perfect (no blade play, perfect action, perfect lockup, no lock stick, etc) and that's how I thought they all were. I sold them to help fund my first Hinderer purchase thinking I'd just get another later when I had the cash... but like I said, every one I've bought since has had issues. :( But I will keep searching... the design of the knife is so good that it's worth the hunt.

As to the 0566... it's a great knife too... and built better than the Para2 IMO. Well, at least that's my opinion so far. I've owned two of these as well (sold one to a friend). And both were solid as a rock... zero blade play, bank vault lock up, great action... and both flipped amazingly once I ditched the spring assist (which I dislike!). I do wish it had something other than Elmax for blade steel... not that I've had bad luck with it so far, but ZT's Elmax has a pretty spotty reputation. I would have preferred some good S30V or S35VN (or M390! :) ). But I can live with it. I do think the 0566 is a bit over-priced though. For a spring assist SS framelocked knife $144 (the usual going rate from what I have seen) is a bit high... not terribly high, but high. But seeing as it's a Hinderer design (and a dang good one) I suspect the price has to be adjusted to account for the cut Hinderer gets on each one sold (BTW, not judging Hinderer in this regard at all... he should get his cut, it's his design!)

Which would I pick? Well, if the Para2 was built like it should be... then the Para2 hands down! As I said, it's an awesome knife (when well built). But if I was just ordering one blindly from a website and I wanted to be sure I'd get a well built knife... I'd have to go with an 0566. Its QC (at least thus far) is much better.

I am really starting to wish Spyderco would build the Para2 in Taichung. Taichung Spydies are world class knives when it comes to build quality and the Para2 (which is a world class knife design-wise) deserves world class build quality too. Alas, Golden isn't able to provide that lately it seems. :(

Okay, rant over. :)
 
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PM2 fairly easily. Better ergo's, more durable design, just an iconic, near perfect knife. The ZT is a cool knife, but will fade into anonymity as other similar designs tumble forward.
 
Another thing to consider is the way they open which is one is a flipper and the other a hole. I prefer the spyderco hole and I'm in the market for a pm2.
 
They are obviously both nice knives but are quite different. It'll come down to your uses, steel choices, opening method, lock, and preferred ergos etc. that will determine which one you will end up wanting to carry and use more. So it is a totally individual answer and the OP will have his own feedback unique from any of ours. It's a try both situation and find out for yourself.
 
I have a PM2 and it has great F&F, so I think I lucked out.... that being said I have never owned a 566. But I do have a couple XM's and I always carry those over the PM2. I think that the PM2 is the best I have seen from Spyderco IMO. I Don't see myself getting rid of it :) The blade length is Perfect on the PM2, lots of belly to it, has a nice pointy tip for fine work, the tip doesn't seem too delicate to me, S30v steel, nice and sharp from the factory. If you do get a PM2 I don't think you would have any trouble selling it. If you don't like it. So....

Don't know if any of this helped
 
I'm very surprised with the 0566. Fit/Finish are excellent for the price point. I've de-assisted mine and it flips great as a manual flipper. It does have a bit of a weak detent, but that is okay since it flips so nice. Ergos are great. Cut down a box and made around 150 cuts and didn't notice any major hotspots and the knife cuts great.
 
Personally I'm leaning towards the paramilitary 2 on this one. I absolutely love zt knives but I never really got into the 0566, to me it just seems like a cryo2 with elmax.
 
I saw the ZT for $134 shipped, and maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, but I've also seen the PM2 for $126+.

My uses would be general, cardboard slicing, box opening (lots of tape), whittling while camping, nothing too heavy.

That right there says Para2 imo...

although I'm always in the "get both" camp of BF! ;) :D
 
^^ I agree. Those are the kinds of tasks that the Para 2 excels at doing. And it can go from those uses to food prep and excel at that also. The ZT, which I really like and is in my pocket right now, has other strong points. But IMAO the P2 would be a better choice for those tasks mentioned.

As for QC, I've bought Paras and P2s for 5 years now from a lot of different sources. I currently have 2 Paras and 4 P2s. None of them have any issues and I only cherry picked one. The others were ordered and I just took the luck of the draw when the seller pulled one off the shelf to send to me. There are a lot of P2s out there but I don't believe that there are major QC problems. Some folks do seem to have been snake bit with what they've bought, but don't assume that you're going to have the same problems. Buy from a seller that'll open the box and check the knife for you before they ship it. Quite a few will do that if you ask.
 
Another thing to consider is the way they open which is one is a flipper and the other a hole. I prefer the spyderco hole and I'm in the market for a pm2.

I have a problem with a relatively large hole right where the blade should be the strongest. Ergonomic opening, yes. Strength? To me it is questionable. I known that you all are going to tell me everything that you have cut with your PM2 with no problems. And I believe you. It is just a thing that I have not been able to get past. The flipper can be deployed with a gloved hand easily, external blade stop has added strength compared to the PM2 and no hole cut out compared to better cutting efficiency in the PM2 and excellent weight and ergonomics. Is sounds like it comes down to how strong do you need this knife to be?
 
There are several videos of the PM2 being used and abused out there. Batoning etc. Lock never fails and the blade never fails. I know I will never put mine through that so im confident it can survive light cutting tasks. Plus I love the fact that it can be easily waved!
 
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I have a problem with a relatively large hole right where the blade should be the strongest. Ergonomic opening, yes. Strength? To me it is questionable. I known that you all are going to tell me everything that you have cut with your PM2 with no problems. And I believe you. It is just a thing that I have not been able to get past. The flipper can be deployed with a gloved hand easily, external blade stop has added strength compared to the PM2 and no hole cut out compared to better cutting efficiency in the PM2 and excellent weight and ergonomics. Is sounds like it comes down to how strong do you need this knife to be?

I have never, not once, ever heard of any Spyderco blade breaking at or near the Spydie hole. After 3+ decades of knife making (and countless knives produced) such an inherent design problem would have showed itself by now in the ultimate test bed... the market place. It has not. You are worrying about a problem that simply does not exist. Get a Spyderco... give the Spydie hole a shot... odds are it will convert you. And if it doesn't then you can generally resell it easily... because it won't have broken on you. :)
 
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