ZT0560 Issues (long post)

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I keep coming across these threads about Kershaw/ZT blems created by people who have purchased them and are ecstatic with their purchase but puzzled as to why their new knives are blems. Tiny imperfections here or there and how Kershaw/ZT quality control must be so tight to relegate these knives to the blem category. Don’t get me wrong, I am extremely happy for those that got a knife that exceeds their expectations. I don’t whine or gripe, and I wasn’t even going to post anything, but the more I read these blem threads, the more I want to tell my story.

This past Christmas my wonderful wife wanted to buy me a knife. She is not an enthusiast so she wanted some hints on what I wanted. Easy answer for me, I wanted another ZT, specifically a 0560. I directed her to an online site, one that I use frequently that gives a LE discount. I also had some points saved up from previous purchases that she could apply.

Fast forward to Christmas morning. After the kids and wife opened their gifts from Santa, it’s finally my turn. I eagerly tear into my prize and am holding my long awaited ZT0560. By this point I’m drooling. I go through my inspection checklist as I do with every new knife purchase. The first thing I look at is blade centering: Fail, blade is off to the lock side. Not a big deal, I can adjust that, or so I thought (more on that later). It flipped open effortlessly and smoothly. Next is lock up and blade play: Fail, side to side play as well and up and down. The side to side I could work on, but the up and down concerned me. Upon further inspection, with moderate downward pressure the lock bar moved out of the way and disengaged! I checked this many times, making sure I kept fingers and thumbs away from the lock bar, and it failed every time. I could deal with this but my poor wife was almost in tears, she must have thought she was responsible for buying me a lemon. I downplayed my disappointment for her sake but inside I was pretty upset.

Here is a pic of the blade tip. If you look up toward the pivot the blade is actually centered. The primary grind, which is what I call the large grind that goes from near the spine down toward the cutting edge, is ground further toward the tip on the G-10 side by almost a 1/8 inch, causing the tip to be pushed toward the lock side. This I can’t fix. I included a pic of the lockup but you can’t tell much about that from a photo.

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The next business day after the holidays I contacted the online store. They were very apologetic and were willing to issue a refund, but couldn’t replace as they were currently out of 0560’s and didn’t know when they would be getting a shipment. Next I contact Kershaw/ZT and ship them my knife.

Four weeks later I get my knife back. I open the package and go through my inspection checklist again, concentrating primarily on the areas that caused me to send the knife back for warrantee. I notice that I didn’t get a new knife or blade even, the serial number is the same, as is the etching of the words “EL MAX”. I check the grind and it’s not quite perfect, but a lot better than before, still a hair off. They also fixed the lock fail issue. One other thing I notice is since they had to regrind the primary bevel, they had to grind/sharpen the secondary cutting bevel. They did a horrible job! I can only assume that they use the Sharpie trick and color in the bevel because they left most of the black ink on the edge. The edge wouldn’t even cut paper. Again, not a huge deal, I put it on my EPA and fixed it up to a mirror polish.

I’m sorry for the long post, but I’m curious to know how a knife of such poor quality leaves the factory in the first place in that condition? It was brand new and not a blem. Then, how do they send it out from warrantee in anything but perfect condition? I want to reiterate, I am not a disgruntled customer. I am not looking for any freebees or any other compensation from ZT. I am satisfied with the 0560 now and it is currently one of my duty carry knives, as well as one of my EDC’s. I really wanted to love this knife instead of just being satisfied with it. I’ll never get rid of it though, since it was a gift from the love of my life! I love my 0300 (my other duty carry knife) as well as my Blur. I’d like to hear what you think. Thanks for reading.
 
Sorry to hear this, I'm not too happy with my 0561. I bought it NIB off of ebay, opened it up and was disapointed. The blade was off center, so I loosened the pivot screw, which centered the blade ...but now the detent sucks. It practly falls open, so my choice is either have an offcenter blade or unsafe detent.

I wonder if they are having QC issues.
 
Wow, a lot of people are commenting on this knife...there's another thread talking about the absolute opposite of one of OPs problems - lock up! o_O
 
Sorry to hear this, I'm not too happy with my 0561. I bought it NIB off of ebay, opened it up and was disapointed. The blade was off center, so I loosened the pivot screw, which centered the blade ...but now the detent sucks. It practly falls open, so my choice is either have an offcenter blade or unsafe detent.

I wonder if they are having QC issues.

Sorry to hear about your 0561, but unfortunately doesn't surprise me. The only thing I can think of is that they may be in such a rush to turn out quantity that a few bad apples slip through, at least I hope that's what's going on. The same with their warrantee department, such a rush to return knives that they're not being as thorough as they should.
 
Your post was a little confusing because you talk about blems a bit. YOUR knife was not a blem, correct? If ZT made it right, or at least got it back to you to the point where you could sharpen it to your satisfaction, why would you consider getting rid of the knife? All companies have a certain percentage of products that leave the factory less than perfect. ZT/Kershaw has corrected the problem, and if not, I would send it back again and give them another chance or demand a replacement knife.
 
Your post was a little confusing because you talk about blems a bit. YOUR knife was not a blem, correct? If ZT made it right, or at least got it back to you to the point where you could sharpen it to your satisfaction, why would you consider getting rid of the knife? All companies have a certain percentage of products that leave the factory less than perfect. ZT/Kershaw has corrected the problem, and if not, I would send it back again and give them another chance or demand a replacement knife.

OP was surprised at the QC issue considering the price. Its not whining, or complaining, the OP has every right to talk about it. Also, shipping the knife out is extra expense each time.

I can understand this issue as I've been in this position before (under totally different circumstances however).
 
OP was surprised at the QC issue considering the price. Its not whining, or complaining, the OP has every right to talk about it. Also, shipping the knife out is extra expense each time.

I can understand this issue as I've been in this position before (under totally different circumstances however).

Where did I say the OP has no right to talk about it? I have no issue with him bringing up the problems with this knife. My point is that ZT will make it right. Yes, it is very disappointing to get a knife that is sub par and jump through the hoops to send it back, but for me, I'd keep sending it back until it was fixed, and if the shipping costs were prohibitive, and shipping knives isn't all that expensive, I'd ask for a pre-paid shipping label or refund of costs.

Again, I have no problem hearing these stories, and actually think it is a positive to let ZT know where there are problems with their knives. I've yet to hear one where ZT didn't make it right, however, some people CAN NOT be satisfied, and that's just business. I am not saying the OP is in this category so please don't go down that road.
 
I had a 0300 with specks showing through the black on the blade and they sent me a new knife. I did ask them to replace the blade or the knife, I thought the knife should have been a blem, but it wasn't. Didn't have any problem at all getting a BNIB replacement. It was the only ZT I've owned I've had to return.
 
Nope, none at all. If its a blem then they will not fix it, they will only provide you with a torsion bar.

No matter how beat up your knife is, so long as it is not a blem - is completely under lifetime warranty
 
OP was surprised at the QC issue considering the price. Its not whining, or complaining, the OP has every right to talk about it. Also, shipping the knife out is extra expense each time.

I can understand this issue as I've been in this position before (under totally different circumstances however).

Why are you trying to stir up trouble? Nobody even suggested the OP was whining or shouldn't discuss this issue.
 
The seller on Ebay specified it as new. Is there a way to know if he sold me a blem, or will Kershaw know it when I send it in? Thanks for the responces, it's much appreciated.
 
Where did I say the OP has no right to talk about it? I have no issue with him bringing up the problems with this knife. My point is that ZT will make it right. Yes, it is very disappointing to get a knife that is sub par and jump through the hoops to send it back, but for me, I'd keep sending it back until it was fixed, and if the shipping costs were prohibitive, and shipping knives isn't all that expensive, I'd ask for a pre-paid shipping label or refund of costs.

Again, I have no problem hearing these stories, and actually think it is a positive to let ZT know where there are problems with their knives. I've yet to hear one where ZT didn't make it right, however, some people CAN NOT be satisfied, and that's just business. I am not saying the OP is in this category so please don't go down that road.

I agree with this 100%. If they never get any real feedback, then how can they continue to make subtle improvements along the way? Also to the op, sorry it happened that way. I can understand your frustration with dropping that much money on one, but I assure you that if you decide to send it in again, they will make it right. Maybe if you do, contact jimmer5 and see what he says.
 
The seller on Ebay specified it as new. Is there a way to know if he sold me a blem, or will Kershaw know it when I send it in? Thanks for the responces, it's much appreciated.

In most cases the knife will have XXXX on the blade if it's a blem. Call the warranty department and send it in if you're not happy.
 
Here is a pic of the blade tip. If you look up toward the pivot the blade is actually centered. The primary grind, which is what I call the large grind that goes from near the spine down toward the cutting edge, is ground further toward the tip on the G-10 side by almost a 1/8 inch, causing the tip to be pushed toward the lock side. This I can’t fix. I included a pic of the lockup but you can’t tell much about that from a photo.

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That is almost exactly what my NIB 0350 looks like - except the tip is off to the non-lock side. It is interesting because aside from the tip the blade looks perfectly centered. The space is even between liner and blade all the way down until you get about an inch from the tip. Then you can see the blade veer off to the non-lock side.

This seems to have no affect the operation of the knife, and I am not horribly worried about it and will not attempt to compensate for blade geometry by adjusting the pivot (even if I knew how to). The rest of the knife seems fine. Excellent lock up and deployment etc. Thumbstud deployment is rough on the thumb and it only locks up about 75% of the time. I suspect that is mostly my technique though.
 
Where did I say the OP has no right to talk about it? I have no issue with him bringing up the problems with this knife. My point is that ZT will make it right. Yes, it is very disappointing to get a knife that is sub par and jump through the hoops to send it back, but for me, I'd keep sending it back until it was fixed, and if the shipping costs were prohibitive, and shipping knives isn't all that expensive, I'd ask for a pre-paid shipping label or refund of costs.

Again, I have no problem hearing these stories, and actually think it is a positive to let ZT know where there are problems with their knives. I've yet to hear one where ZT didn't make it right, however, some people CAN NOT be satisfied, and that's just business. I am not saying the OP is in this category so please don't go down that road.

Kershaw/ZT do not send you a pre-paid shipping label. I've had to ship knifves myself for warranty purposes which is why I brought it up.

Your post had me thinking you were on defense for the company, not the customer (ofc thats not the case). In my line of work we always believe in the customer always being right, which is why I responded that way.

No harm intended, just a misunderstanding- lets move along here.
 
Since we're helping kershaw withe thier QC here....

I had a 560 a while back and traded it off cause I felt it it hung too low in my pocket. I decided to give it a second try and I got a 561 yesterday. The sticky lock is insane. I know it'll break in. I did the sharpie and pencil thing. Not too worried about that, its just a pain for now and kind of embarassing when you show off your knife, tell people how much you paid for it.......and you cant close it without making a scene. Anyway, my blade has some serious grind marks that can be seen and felt on the g10 scale side from the middle of the blade to the tip as well as the entire top swedge. Everywhere else is smooth. If you scratch your finger nail on it, it makes a zzzzz sound If you know what I mean. I guess its just cosmetic so im not too concerned. I still love the knife and I bought it to be a user. Just kinda bums you out when you throw down cash on something and have to keep messing with it. Ill see if I can snap a pic of it lster today.
 
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