ZTs fixed blades really got expensive

retzius said:
Ok I'll play. I dont really consider cnc fabricated g10 high end. Robots don't get tired ;) Gerber has the Yari II (3-D machined scales, a chunk of S30v, Molle sheath system, made in USA) for half the price of the 0100. Am I missing something here?

(all in good fun my friend, just some spirited discussion)
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Yes you're missing something. In comparing the 2 pieces, the Gerber MSRP is about $50 less that the 0100. I don't believe that's 3-D machined aluminum (it's flat), and S30V is a dream compared to 3V (both in price, and certainly in machining).

imbryan715 said:
a big factory should not compete with a small location for prices. that is what i would guess or assume. im not saying any of this is fact! just how i would think the industry would work. now can you fill me in on the behind the scenes if possible.
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Appreciate the dialog imb715. The cost of doing business is expensive, big or small. Where the difference is between Kai, and let's take your example CRK's, is that we offer a dealer, distributor, and jobber programs. Specialty manufacturers don't. Premium products with these type of discount programs have to be taken into consideration. It's slightly short sighted to just look at a street price and come to conclusions. Look, a ZT 0560 with a jobber program attached to it is a rarity in this industry. it's kind of funny to get burned for it, but it makes for good conversation. Looking at the big picture can be eye opening.
 
Thomas W said:
Appreciate the dialog imb715. The cost of doing business is expensive, big or small. Where the difference is between Kai, and let's take your example CRK's, is that we offer a dealer, distributor, and jobber programs. Specialty manufacturers don't. Premium products with these type of discount programs have to be taken into consideration. It's slightly short sighted to just look at a street price and come to conclusions. Look, a ZT 0560 with a jobber program attached to it is a rarity in this industry. it's kind of funny to get burned for it, but it makes for good conversation. Looking at the big picture can be eye opening.
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thanks for doing your best to clear up some things i did not understand! these factors never did enter my mind

bryan,
have a nice night
 
I EDC a 0100 and 302 every day 7 days a week! I use those knives harder than you should. I can tell you for sure that the 0100 is a much better knife than a CRK could ever be! I would pay dubble for that knife. The biggest problem is people don't use there tools and that's why they will never really know what's good and what's not!!
I've used many different makes of knives and know for a fact that nothing comes close to zt in quality and customer service!
 
number41 said:
I EDC a 0100 and 302 every day 7 days a week! I use those knives harder than you should. I can tell you for sure that the 0100 is a much better knife than a CRK could ever be! I would pay dubble for that knife. The biggest problem is people don't use there tools and that's why they will never really know what's good and what's not!!
I've used many different makes of knives and know for a fact that nothing comes close to zt in quality and customer service!
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This is almost laughable.
 
RevDevil said:
Hmm, I've never seen a 0350 sell for that anywhere except maybe wholesalers prices. I bought my first one used, but it was practically new. Then I bought 2 more, and another, and another. :rolleyes: For me, the warranty seals the deal. Believe it or not, I've pretty much stopped buying knives that aren't Kershaw or ZT (for now anyway). The 0560 was in my pocket everyday since I got it, until I found the Kershaw Zing. $35 knife kicked the 0560 into the drawer.
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I gotta get me an orange Zing to see how good they are now... :D
 
number41 said:
I EDC a 0100 and 302 every day 7 days a week! I use those knives harder than you should. I can tell you for sure that the 0100 is a much better knife than a CRK could ever be! I would pay dubble for that knife. The biggest problem is people don't use there tools and that's why they will never really know what's good and what's not!!
I've used many different makes of knives and know for a fact that nothing comes close to zt in quality and customer service!
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Strong 1st post. lol
 
number41 said:
I EDC a 0100 and 302 every day 7 days a week! I use those knives harder than you should. I can tell you for sure that the 0100 is a much better knife than a CRK could ever be! I would pay dubble for that knife. The biggest problem is people don't use there tools and that's why they will never really know what's good and what's not!!
I've used many different makes of knives and know for a fact that nothing comes close to zt in quality and customer service!
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this is not youtube where you can act all cool and "tactical". we discuss,compare,review and share experiences with our cutting tools. the second thing is please handle a chris reeve product before you pass off statements like that. i have critisized his products on this forum but mine where based off of months of edc use. not an assumption, you have no evidence of that claim other than the 0100 is the knife you killed 100 zombies with. i can show you threads for days of our most respected members taking out customs, hinderer's, Striders, Crk's, ZT'S, spyderco's etc... being put the test and abused but very few care about that. we as a majorty care about the EDC tests that they do that shows how they perform aginst cardboard, rope, zip-ties, whittling wood, cutting food etc.... because that is what us grown ups on the forums buy knives for. THEY ARE CUTTING TOOLS!. about 98% want a good cutter, that feels good in the had, that has a good steel and that carries well.

not! a knife that we can run over with our truck, slam into a tree 100 times, do pull ups on, smash through car hoods, pry your self out of a sinking car, set in a blast range, drop it from the international space station, but the thing does not cut worth a crap.

welcome to balde forums!. you will learn a hell of alot but blanket statements and out right bashing knives you have never used will get this croud against you fast. ask questions if you cant find them in the search bar function and add commentary, experience and opinions to the threads you want to when you choose but make sure you are relaying fact or information that is reasonable or backed up by usage because we all have "BULL**** "alarms on at all times. so be honest


bryan,
have a good night and welcome!
 
$240-$290 I'd buy INFI or save $100 and go with SR101, but that's just me. I'm very happy with their performance. The ZTs might be just as good for some people, but at that pricepoint, they will have a much harder time drawing new people in. I'd probably buy a ZT folder or 2 if they made more without recurves and lightened them up a bit.
 
number41 said:
I EDC a 0100 and 302 every day 7 days a week! I use those knives harder than you should. I can tell you for sure that the 0100 is a much better knife than a CRK could ever be! I would pay dubble for that knife. The biggest problem is people don't use there tools and that's why they will never really know what's good and what's not!!
I've used many different makes of knives and know for a fact that nothing comes close to zt in quality and customer service!
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ZT would be 'more bang for buck' than CRK if you want kind of toughest knife. BTW, what the hell would you compared fix blade to folder???
 
darkaether said:
$240-$290 I'd buy INFI or save $100 and go with SR101, but that's just me. I'm very happy with their performance. The ZTs might be just as good for some people, but at that pricepoint, they will have a much harder time drawing new people in. I'd probably buy a ZT folder or 2 if they made more without recurves and lightened them up a bit.
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Hoenstly if your going to talk carbon knives I would take Becker or Esee over Swamp Rat or Busse anyday. As much as I love my co workers meaner street I cant see why its a 500 dollar knife and my Esee 3 is 80 dollars. You pay alot more for the Busse name, semi custom knife making and the fact they use a steel no one else as. Which is pretty much what you get with a zt fixed. Granted there steel isnt INFI but there are not very many companys willing to use high end stainless on a fixed like ZT does.
 
There seems to be two of us saying we actually own a ZT 0100. Yes, I'll take it over a CRK fixed blade in S30V any day. It's build quality is higher than most of the similarly priced customs I own.The only one I can compare it too and find a better knife and price is my Koster Bushmaster. I have 5 3V fixed blades currently in fact. I also have Kabars, Ontarios, Beckers, Esse's, BRKT's and several more knives in steels from 52100, L6, S7, D2, A2, O-1, SK-5, Carbon V,Infi and more.I have a pretty good idea of what's available on the market. No, you can't really compare an ESEE or Becker to a 0100 in performance and durability. I like the edge 3V takes better too.

Joe
 
apples to apples a Scrapyard 311 is about $80, and Meaner Streets started in the low 200's. I like Beckers too, and would probably be fine with an ESEE(only played with them at gun shows), but the main subject of the thread seems to be the $2XX pricerange.

And I would also rather have the 0100 in 3V than a CRK fixed blade in S30V, even though I don't like recurves.
 
CPM 3V is a good steel and depending on hardness holds an edge very well.

2 things I don't like about that knife, the blade is coated and it's a recurve, other than that it seems to be a nice knife for those who want a tactical knife that should take a good beating under harder use.
 
retzius said:
:eek:

Wow, street price $290 for the 0100 and $240 for the 121.

For $20 more I could get a Chris Reeve 7" Green Beret!

What's going on??
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The cost of raw CPM 3V almost doubled last year.

I don't know about the price of CPM S30V but I imagine it has gone up as well.
 
ive owned the 0100 for a short while and it turned out to be a lot smaller than i thought it would be.
the 3d machined handle was extremely comfortable and the sheath was amazingly built albeit a bit bulky w/ what i thought was excessive strapping.

EDIT: just checked out recent photos and it looks like the sheath issue has been resolved.
 
We may all be drifting a bit here, with the "my brand is better than yours at half the price type talk". Like with many premium products ZT are expensive. I'll say that our fixed blades are a very small percentage of sales. I'm guessing the same goes for CRK's. In then end the consumer decides if a product stays or goes. The reality is we could make more sales with one new folder than we do with all of our fixed blades combined. That's an eye opening statement, and should give you perspective. We most likely keep our fixed blades around for the pattern diversity.

Let's try to keep it civil here, no need for any rage.
 
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